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jwhop
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posted November 26, 2016 10:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Angela Merkle, making Germany safe for her little IslamoFascist brothers and sisters.

So, let's see. Who else used the force of law to coerce citizens to toe the speech code rules they established?
Hitler
Stalin
Mao
Ho
Castro
Chavez
Kim Jong Il and his insane sons
Saddam Hussein
Bashar Assad

Each and every one a murderous Socialist Fascist dictator.

And, here's the East German Socialist Fascist, Merkle on the way down that same rabbit hole.

Thoughtcrime: Germany To Prosecute Online 'Hate Speech'
By: Joshua Yasmeh,
November 24, 2016

Germany’s record on free speech leaves a lot to be desired. Vacillating from one extreme to another, from simulcasting Nazi propaganda to criminalizing Holocaust-denial, it has long struggled to protect the civil liberty of free speech while quelling the tides of authoritarianism. In an attempt to control the recent uptick in xenophobia and racism, largely exacerbated by sudden demographic shifts linked to Berlin’s refugee-intake program, German authorities are now prosecuting arbitrarily-defined “hate speech,” otherwise known as free speech, with what appears to be de facto blasphemy laws.

On Wednesday, Chancellor Angela Merkel backed a federal program to monitor and police internet activity on popular social media platforms such as Twitter, Facebook, and YouTube.

The Orwellian program is being led by the Federal Ministry of Justice and Consumer Protection, or BMJV and the Interior Ministry, implicating several branches of government in the campaign to suppress free speech online.

Vowing to exploit nearly every shred of power at his disposal, Justice Minister and SPD (social-democratic party) member Heiko Maas has vowed to weaponize legislation to purge "hate" from online space in Germany if social media companies fail to effectively restrict the conduct of their users towards this end.

“Under a program that runs until March, German authorities are monitoring how many racist posts reported by users of social media sites are deleted within 24 hours,” reports Reuters. After March, Berlin will reassess the political climate online determine whether or not to implement stricter and more punitive measures to restrict speech.

"I support efforts by Justice Minister Heiko Maas and Interior Minister Thomas de Maiziere to address hate speech, hate commentaries, devastating things that are incompatible with human dignity, and to do everything to prohibit it because it contradicts our values," stated Merkel in a self-righteous speech delivered to the Bundestag lower house of parliament.

This comes as Germany intensifies its efforts to curtail artistic freedoms.

In May, German prosecutors went full 1984, prohibiting a poet from publicly reciting a poem that mocks Turkish autocratic President Recep Tayyip Erdogan.

A court in Hamburg “ruled that only six lines of the 24-line poem by German comedian Jan Boehmermann could be recited, offering the Turkish leader a partial legal victory,” according to AFP. “The poem accused Erdogan of bestiality and paedophilia and has caused a storm in Germany over freedom of speech.”

In the court’s own words, "Erdogan does not have to put up with the expression of certain passages in view of their outrageous content attacking (his) honour."

Spitting in the face of Western democracy, Merkel personally authorized the Orwellian trial. Merkel’s ruling Christian Democrat party even assumed the responsibility of highlighting particular sections of the poem that ostensibly undermined the "honor" of Erdogan. Who knew the Federal Republic of Germany, a country located in post-War Western Europe, was this obsessed with Arab honor culture?

Merkel felt compelled to respond to Erdogan’s hurt feelings after Boehmermann recited his "Defamatory Poem" on national television last month. According to Human Rights Watch, (HRW), “Merkel referred the case to prosecutors under article 103 of Germany’s criminal code, which makes it illegal to insult foreign heads of state, with a penalty of up to five years in prison.” While the Chancellor previously stated that article 103 was “dispensable,” her government has been dragging its feet, vowing to draft a proposal in hopes of eventually taking it out of the criminal code by 2018.

The court’s May injunction was challenged in early November by the poet’s lawyers who argued that the state is setting a destructive precedent by censoring artistic expression.

But Germany’s conception of free speech is far from the impregnable ideal we champion in the United States.

“Freedom of speech in Germany is more restricted than in the U.S. Public displays of Nazi and Communist symbols are banned and Holocaust denial is punishable by up to five years in prison,” reports The Wall Street Journal. “Inciting hatred or violence against anyone for their ethnic or religious identity is also a crime.”

Germany’s censorship-lust has become so extreme that in July government officials directed the police to carry-out a nationwide crackdown on allegedly racist or xenophobic posting on social media sites.

“In raids coordinated by the federal criminal police agency BKA, police across 14 states raided the homes of 60 people suspected of being behind the postings, which are illegal under German law,” explains The Journal. “No arrests were made, the agency said.”

Issuing an almost comically Orwellian threat, German Interior Minister Thomas de Maizière told reporters at the time that “Violence, including verbal violence, must be confronted with rigorous limits.” To be clear, words, formed by air vibrations uttered by an individual, is not tantamount to violence. By definition, violence is physical; the term “verbal violence” is a perversely paradoxical portmanteau, an illiberal contrivance that mocks language itself in a despotic ploy to justify the unjustifiable, the use of state-sanctioned physical force to muzzle noises human beings make with their mouths.
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Enneline
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posted November 26, 2016 10:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Enneline     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
the punishment of holocaust denial is a danger for freedom of speech?
Again, you are soooo weird: holocaust denial is a crime and an insult of all the victims; but of course the thousands of dead, emaciated bodies in Ausschwitz was just a piece of art....
What is prohibited is Holocaust denial NOT the freedom of speech

Also, Merkel is from the CDU party, NO socialist background + she is the daughter of a priest

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posted November 26, 2016 10:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Enneline     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Also, Böhmermann's "poem" was full of insults, swear words and dirty words. Even though I despise Erdogan, i cannot agree with Böhmermann's language

DID YOU READ BÖHMERMANNs POEM???!!!???!!

Also, Böhmermann is still alive and was never imprisoned or punished


Also, what you are referring to...freedom of speech, is the MAIN propaganda of the European NeoNazi parties; NOT right wing parties in the U.S. sense/meaning; right wing = similiar to NAZIS (in Europe)

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posted November 26, 2016 11:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jwhop, c'mon, man, you can't even spell her name, can't you write about something you know at least something about, like gardening or fishing? And spare our nerves and your embarrassment here?

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posted November 26, 2016 11:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Enneline     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Jwhop, c'mon, man, you can't even spell her name, can't you write about something you know at least something about, like gardening or fishing? And spare our nerves and your embarrassment here?


ah, i have already given up since i read "Seig Heiling" in one of jwhops last posts

Neither Seig nor Heiling are German words

But we shouldn't be too judgemental; i am sure jwhop is going to explain to us, that we never knew Merkel's real name and that we were fooled by all the videos where 1000s of Nazis are chanting "Sieg Heil".

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posted November 26, 2016 11:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Enneline     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I hear Sieg Heil. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7oUJcCTjMc

I wonder what Jwhop is hearing, maybe "say hi".

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posted November 26, 2016 11:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Enneline     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Also: it's NOT "mein Fuhrer", it's "mein Führer".

fÜhrer, not fuhrer

There is no such word as fuhrer but there is a word "fuhr" that means "drove" (he/she drove = er/sie fuhr)

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posted November 26, 2016 11:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Free speech means just that..FREE to speak on any subject one desires to comment on.

But not in Socialist Fascist states.

Hahaha All those claiming to be Liberals never heard of the Liberal Axiom:

"I disagree with what you said, but I will defend, with my life, your right to say it."

Who gives a rotten rat's patootie if some nut denies the Holocaust ever happened?

Who gives a rotten rat's patootie if some nut says Bush set the explosive devices which toppled the Twin Towers of the World Trade Center?

It's you and other Socialist Fascist leftists who are forever attempting to shut others up..those with whom you disagree.

Merkle has just joined the Socialist Fascist thundering herd of those attempting to stifle free speech....if she wasn't already a charter member.

So what's next for Merkle's Germany? Book burnings?

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posted November 26, 2016 11:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Look, JW, eventually no one really cares if you believe Hitler was a Beatles, you have the right to be or play stupid, the problem is that comparing American Liberals with Nazis or constantly presenting Republicans as right-wing extremists is Caviar Right (or Left, who cares?), stiffling hypocrisy to lie on your sofa in front of your state-of-the-art computer brought to you by the Progressives and when it borders on Nazi propaganda...well, Houston, we have a problem.

You have no idea what you're talking about, you think it's poetry, and are in serious danger to reincarnate in North Korea, I tell you. Don't do this to yourself.

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posted November 26, 2016 11:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Enneline     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
why are you calling me a social fascist? i am not even left but i just realized: you just know right and left and black and white.

It's not your fault, you seem to be a simple minded person, but this doesn't explain why you are not able to answer simple questions

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posted November 26, 2016 11:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Enneline     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by jwhop:

Merkle has ...

So what's next for Merkle's Germany...


Again, you can't write her correct name
Her name is MerkEL not Merkle

This explains much to me: doesn't matter how many historical pictures and evidences we provide, you just don't understand

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posted November 26, 2016 11:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Enneline     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by jwhop:
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Who gives a rotten rat's patootie if some nut denies the Holocaust ever happened?


So what's next for Merkle's Germany? Book burnings?



Holocaust survivors and their descendants? Maybe it's important to keep historical facts right?

Book burnings like the Nazis did? Well, if that is going to happen, i will be on the street demonstrating and not caring if i get a bullet right into my head.

But how can you claim that? Even Hitler's Mein Kampf is allowed to bbe read and to be sold in Germany. So there is no space to worry about

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posted November 26, 2016 11:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Enneline     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by jwhop:
Free speech means just that..FREE to speak on any subject one desires to comment on.

But not in Socialist Fascist states.

Hahaha All those claiming to be Liberals never heard of the Liberal Axiom:

[b]"I disagree with what you said, but I will defend, with my life, your right to say it."

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again, so weird, you are mixing up things

There is a difference between free speech and lies and insulting dozens of millions of victims

you can talk about the holocaust, maybe even stating that you don't give a sh*t but you are not allowed to deny the holocaust

also, free speach does NOT mean spreading lies but that is what both left and right and of course islamist extremists as well do: pretending to speak freely but they are spreading lies and hatred like claiming that Sweden's high rate of rape is caused by immigrants (right wing European parties) or that many Westerns suffer from Aids (Islamists)
THAT's the difference

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posted November 26, 2016 11:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Look, JW, eventually no one really cares if you believe Hitler was a Beatles,"

Continue on with your mindless blither, blather, bloviation and bombastic BS.

Hitler was a Socialist. Just one of the murderous Socialist dictators. Just one of the murderous Socialist Fascist dictators who stifled free speech.

Now, Angela Merkel is trying to take Germany down the same controlled speech highway...AND, her Socialist Fascist sycophants are giving her standing ovations.

One more thing. Apparently, you don't read well...or read with comprehension.

I never called American Liberals, Socialists or Fascists or leftists.

Marxists, Socialists, Progressives and other Collectivist leftists ARE NOT Liberals.

I actually like Liberals but I doubt you'd manage to make the Liberal cut.

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posted November 26, 2016 01:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't care if you call yourself a Socialist Fascist who believes the Nazis led the world in organic farming and alternative medicine. Nothing that you say is true, good or kind, so far. As long as you choose to be in this darkness, you only matter as a NO.

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posted November 27, 2016 11:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Enneline     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by jwhop:
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Hitler was a Socialist. Just one of the murderous Socialist dictators. Just one of the murderous Socialist Fascist dictators who stifled free speech.

Now, Angela Merkel is trying to take Germany down the same controlled speech highway...AND, her Socialist Fascist sycophants are giving her standing ovations.

One more thing. Apparently, you don't read well...or read with comprehension.

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Again: your belief = FALSE MYTH about Hitler. LeeLoo and I posted several reliable sources and you didn't post even one. Just suspicious authors with conspiracy theories

AGAIN (i know that you are old): I even posted a video of hitler rioting against socialists. Where are your videos of Hitler, Himmler, Göring and Goebbels declaring themselves as socialists?!

AGAIN (i know that you are old): Angela Merkel is a member of the CDU party, they are opponents of the left parties.


Read with comprehension? you are the master of doing so. you are the one who ignores any other sources, questions, evidence, etc. you stick to your beliefs with awkward statements from unreliable sources


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posted November 28, 2016 05:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tulipe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ahhahahaha

Sorry guys I had to laugh at this. Seriously everytime I see Jwhop comment I have to laugh at the level of ignorance.

Hey Jwhop, may I suggest you talk to your bro Randall, a law student, about free speech ? You don't even understand what is free speech, so I won't comment on your thread which is just lame and false info anyway.

As for spelling Merkel's name, thanks for the mad laugh, she's not mackerel fish you know.



quote:
Originally posted by jwhop:
Free speech means just that..FREE to speak on any subject one desires to comment on.

But not in Socialist Fascist states.

Hahaha All those claiming to be Liberals never heard of the Liberal Axiom:

[b]"I disagree with what you said, but I will defend, with my life, your right to say it."

Who gives a rotten rat's patootie if some nut denies the Holocaust ever happened?

Who gives a rotten rat's patootie if some nut says Bush set the explosive devices which toppled the Twin Towers of the World Trade Center?

It's you and other Socialist Fascist leftists who are forever attempting to shut others up..those with whom you disagree.

Merkle has just joined the Socialist Fascist thundering herd of those attempting to stifle free speech....if she wasn't already a charter member.

So what's next for Merkle's Germany? Book burnings?[/B]


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posted November 28, 2016 10:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What do the French...and Germans know about free speech? Or for that matter, what do any citizens of the Brussels Butt Head EU know about "free speech". You don't have it.

As for France, you French are about to get a heavy dose of "republicanism" and it's long overdue.

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posted November 28, 2016 10:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Enneline     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by jwhop:
What do the French...and Germans know about free speech? Or for that matter, what do any citizens of the Brussels Butt Head EU know about "free speech". You don't have it.



some sources please

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posted November 28, 2016 10:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Enneline     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by jwhop:

As for France, you French are about to get a heavy dose of "republicanism" and it's long overdue.


Ähm....European right wings & Neo Nazis are no Republicans.
Please get yourself some books or basic school education.

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posted November 28, 2016 01:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StubbornVirgo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Enneline:
Again: your belief = FALSE MYTH about Hitler. LeeLoo and I posted several reliable sources and you didn't post even one. Just suspicious authors with conspiracy theories

AGAIN (i know that you are old): I even posted a video of hitler rioting against socialists. Where are your videos of Hitler, Himmler, Göring and Goebbels declaring themselves as socialists?!

AGAIN (i know that you are old): Angela Merkel is a member of the CDU party, they are opponents of the left parties.


Read with comprehension? you are the master of doing so. you are the one who ignores any other sources, questions, evidence, etc. you stick to your beliefs with awkward statements from unreliable sources


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posted November 28, 2016 01:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StubbornVirgo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Look, JW, eventually no one really cares if you believe Hitler was a Beatles, you have the right to be or play stupid, the problem is that comparing American Liberals with Nazis or constantly presenting Republicans as right-wing extremists is Caviar Right (or Left, who cares?), stiffling hypocrisy to lie on your sofa in front of your state-of-the-art computer brought to you by the Progressives and when it borders on Nazi propaganda...well, Houston, we have a problem.

You have no idea what you're talking about, you think it's poetry, and are in serious danger to reincarnate in North Korea, I tell you. Don't do this to yourself.


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posted November 28, 2016 04:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tulipe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We have free speech but we don't let our mouth run freely about things we don't know or understand. There's a difference you know. Oh I forgot! You don't know.

As for the "republicanism" dose in France, I don't see how it is relevant to what we're talking about here. Or do they misname Merkel too ? )) Kindly refrain from spacing out pls

quote:
Originally posted by jwhop:
What do the French...and Germans know about free speech? Or for that matter, what do any citizens of the Brussels Butt Head EU know about "free speech". You don't have it.

As for France, you French are about to get a heavy dose of "republicanism" and it's long overdue.


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posted November 29, 2016 06:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As Trump suggests that protesters and flag burners should "maybe" lose their citizenship..

And filed suit in Nevada to stop people placing their votes

And announced beforehand that if he lost it was because, you know, rigging...

here is your chance jwhop.

You always regretted being too young to stop Hitler..personally and lethally..

Of course hindsight is 2020 isn't it? Not suggesting bullets in heads..but a little recognition of whom you elected would be superb.
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