posted February 03, 2017 05:30 PM            

In the United States:
Russia should use its special forces within the borders of the United States to fuel instability and separatism, for instance, provoke "Afro-American racists". Russia should "introduce geopolitical disorder into internal American activity, encouraging all kinds of separatism and ethnic, social and racial conflicts, actively supporting all dissident movements – extremist, racist, and sectarian groups, thus destabilizing internal political processes in the U.S. It would also make sense simultaneously to support isolationist tendencies in American politics."[1]
The Eurasian Project could be expanded to South and Central America.[1]

posted February 04, 2017 02:48 PM            

It is proven that there are Russian Sleeper Cells by the dozen in US and Europe, and KGB Agents did manage to live as normal middle class Americans.

Let us also not forget that Russia did more research into Mass Mind Control than the CIA.
They never dismantled their programs unlike MK-Ultra which was discouraged since 1973.

One of the clues is increased polarity, increase in "Echo Chambers" wherein there is no engagement with the others point of view. Right Wing and Left Wing are not interacting, and only hatred is escalating.

Any politician or Media personality who spreads a divisive agenda or disinformation could be programmed [through suggestions/subliminal] or could be a Sleeper.

It would be prudent for Trump to keep a Self Confessed "Leninist" like Bannon away from decision making.

posted February 04, 2017 04:23 PM            

I campaign for bayrou, a center right leader not yet into the race, i hope he does soon. He is for a french independence but as history has prooved it, he is in line with US . Side by side, connected by something stronger than flattery or momentarily fling, but by shared interest.

posted February 05, 2017 01:44 AM            

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Watch french presidential election mid aprio and early may to know which direction france will take. Le pen, french trump, is for putin..

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That is something to watch to see if France is next? Le Pen also supports an exit from the EU, if I recall correctly.

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I campaign for bayrou, a center right leader not yet into the race, i hope he does soon. He is for a french independence but as history has prooved it, he is in line with US . Side by side, connected by something stronger than flattery or momentarily fling, but by shared interest.

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posted February 05, 2017 07:30 AM            

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So, your preferred candidate is actually in line with the EU as a whole, that is, not independent of the U.S.

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posted February 05, 2017 10:38 AM            

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That is something to watch to see if France is next? Le Pen also supports an exit from the EU, if I recall correctly.

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Indeed marine lepen wants to exit the EU but I don't see her elected. The election in france has two rounds. The first on april 23rd will have us choose between every candidates that managed to enter the race (by collecting 500 signatures from local elected officials - town mayors) then the second vote on may 7th will have us choose between the 2 that got the highest votes. Normally lepen is the first to be qualified because she, likes trump, pretend that she can stop the evolution that threatens little france and that comes from abroad according to her (including from the US, like all isolationist she likes ... nobody else. Except may be putin, go figure..)

The margin for the first round is small between a few number of candidates, so all is open about who will face le pen on the second round. But what is sure (for me) and I am a better analyst of my country's politics than of the US, is that she cannot win.
Unlike the US, france has lived the 2 world wars on its land. It is part of us. The party that lepen controls was created by her father who is notorious for making jokes about putting jews in crematory ovens and for saying that concentration camps were a DETAIL of world war 2. A classy man.

posted February 05, 2017 11:28 AM            

Le Pen would be a disaster as her Islamophobia could lead to urban warfare, and wreck the French Economy which depends on Tourism.

posted February 05, 2017 07:03 PM            

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Dear Pire,
Am keenly following the developments in France.

Le Pen would be a disaster as her Islamophobia could lead to urban warfare, and wreck the French Economy which depends on Tourism.

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To go back to the topic, Russia is on top of the game everywhere. And Europe will seize the opportunity of the brexit to strenghten itself against a possible alliance of Trump and Poutin at the expense of the EU. Britain was the main advocate for a widening of the EU against a deepening, now France and Germany will have the possibility and the need. The timing is asking for that, as we are celebrating the 60th anniversary of the creation of the EEC (former EU) between Italy, Germany, France, Belgium, Netherlands and Luxembourg.

According to some sources, it is likely that for the birthday celebration in march 25 if I recall, France and Germany will call for a deepening of relations between a few countries and let those who don't want to join follow at a different step. But later, the implementation of this deepening depends on the elections in may in France, and later this year in Germany and the Netherlands. If populists against the EU are elected in France or in the netherland, it could be complicated, and even be the end of the EU as the resentment is strong against the bureaucratic, unelected people that continuously create more regulation for european businesses.

It is the same problems everywhere you see...

posted February 05, 2017 10:25 PM            

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I am sorry i don't get the meaning of what you are saying, can you elaborate, so i can reply ?

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posted February 05, 2017 10:39 PM            

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Indeed marine lepen wants to exit the EU but I don't see her elected. The election in france has two rounds. The first on april 23rd will have us choose between every candidates that managed to enter the race (by collecting 500 signatures from local elected officials - town mayors) then the second vote on may 7th will have us choose between the 2 that got the highest votes.

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Thanks for explaining this. Living in the U.S., I'm not familiar with your election process.

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Unlike the US, france has lived the 2 world wars on its land. It is part of us. The party that lepen controls was created by her father who is notorious for making jokes about putting jews in crematory ovens and for saying that concentration camps were a DETAIL of world war 2. A classy man.

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I wasn't aware of the father. Do you think this is enough to sink her candidacy?

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The EU is a problem as it is, runned by lobbies and big companies. The problems are the same than in the US. But I think we need more EU if it'sa better EU. Like bayrou. And unlike lepen, that is why I will vote for him on the first round on april 23rd.

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I was very inspired by the formation of the EU, but then later became disillusioned to see it become corrupt. I hope the best leader for the people wins.

posted February 06, 2017 04:16 AM            

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Originally posted by peony:
You mentioned he is for French independence but he is "in line" with the U.S. Maybe I should ask what you mean by "in line." I understand that to mean he's not independent, just as the EU as a whole isn't independent of the U.S.

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I wasn't clear indeed, by in line with the US, I meant that by strategic interest, but also by philosophy, stemming back from the revolutions (french and US) France is very close to the US.

France, as an entity, goes back to Clovis, first king of the francs, born around 466. It has always been fighting for its existence, it knows in its flesh and bones that alliances are first of all strategic, therefore the alliances of France with the US is first and foremost strategic, motivated by share itnerests. however the strategic alliance with the US resonates differently, there is more than shared interest.

In France history, the french revolution is a turning point. There is before and an after. It took several centuries to mature, but when the revolution happened, it allowed a country to change its paradigm and its new one were along the lines of the paradigm of the US. It is built around the rule of law, equality, freedom, citizenship, etc...

Bayrou is in line with the US means he shares these values that constitutes the US and France (since the revolution) while le pen refers more easily in the french unconscious to clovis and monarchy.
Economically, she has a leftist economic stance in order to reach to the lowest classes ( of which I belong). She engaged in what is called here the de-diabolisation of the party, meaning de-demonization. She ejected her father from the party that he created to show that she's different and it does work, to a certain extent. She emphasize less racist comments but more the need to cater to the interest of the forgotten one (the french and catholic ones obviously).

She is a pyromaniac fire fighter.

I think France has lost its hope right now and she uses gloom to goad france into her vision of discrimination and division. However it will certainly be her downfall because gloominess has no escape, (and she relies on the gloom to present herself as different, therefore she must find sources of fear to maintain a hold over her electorate) and if she meets with some polticians that have a vision, bayrou does, filled with hope, but also stating the bare truth that she, on the other hand, glosses over, her proposition of where the country should go and what it should become gets discredited, if enough non voters are mobilised to vote against her. ... because half of the electorate do not bother to vote, too disillusioned.

Sorry for the off topic, I will try to start a thread to give some updates on the french election

posted February 10, 2017 03:48 AM            

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I think France has lost its hope right now and she uses gloom to goad france into her vision of discrimination and division. However it will certainly be her downfall because gloominess has no escape, (and she relies on the gloom to present herself as different, therefore she must find sources of fear to maintain a hold over her electorate) and if she meets with some polticians that have a vision, bayrou does, filled with hope, but also stating the bare truth that she, on the other hand, glosses over, her proposition of where the country should go and what it should become gets discredited, if enough non voters are mobilised to vote against her. ... because half of the electorate do not bother to vote, too disillusioned.

Sorry for the off topic, I will try to start a thread to give some updates on the french election

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Thanks for the clarification. "In line with the U.S." to me means the EU does what the U.S. says unfortunately.

Bayrou sounds a little like Bernie Sanders, who ran against Hillary Clinton in the Democratic Party primary in our recent presidential election.

Please do give updates, if you're so inclined.

posted February 13, 2017 06:10 PM            

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*bump* cause democracy matters

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Yep, it does.

I've just seen pictures of rump using his "winter white house" restaurant, as a Situation Room. Matters of national security, being dealt with in the company of his guests, and waiters. Oh, but those damned emails...

posted February 13, 2017 11:15 PM            

There was President Trump and Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe at Trump's country club laying out their joint military plans for the invasion of China...on cocktail napkins.