posted February 05, 2017 04:03 AM            

But, where is the peace movement? Instead of demanding a halt to the carnage that creates tidal waves of refugees, self-styled “progressives”* join in the macabre ritual of demonizing the “countries of concern” that have been targeted for attack, a process that U.S. history has color-coded with racism and Islamophobia. These imperial citizens then congratulate themselves on being the world’s one and only “exceptional” people, because they deign to accept the presence of a tiny portion of the populations the U.S. has mauled."

And where are the protests against killing Muslims in our wars and regime change that have resulted in creating millions of refugees?

posted February 05, 2017 10:01 PM            

Russian observers, well-acquainted with State Department's use of color revolution technology in countries near Russia in the past, have marked their surprise in seeing some of the formula's well-known methods being deployed in the US itself.

posted February 05, 2017 10:20 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
I don't recall killing anyone, and I didn't vote for anyone to be killed. I DO care. I can't speak for anyone else, but lumping us together like that isn't right.

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posted February 05, 2017 10:24 PM            

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Originally posted by peony:
"I don't recall," "I didn't vote," "I DO care." I don't see any reference here other than to yourself. Interesting.

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That's because I can only speak for myself. What's "interesting"? Selfish American, maybe? Not so.

posted February 06, 2017 12:41 AM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
Did you protest the war? Did you vote? Have you called your congressmen? What did you do, to try to prevent the loss of lives?

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Yes, yes, and yes. BDS Palestine Action group.

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So, why do you blame the U.S.?Putin, Trump's buddy, was a big part of Syria, right?

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posted February 06, 2017 02:01 AM            

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Originally posted by peony:
Clearly, rational discussion isn't possible with you.

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It is possible. You aren't exactly being civil. you also didn't answer my question, as to why my previous response was "interesting".

posted February 06, 2017 04:01 AM            

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Originally posted by BlueRoamer:
Americans have a tendency to be America-centric and dont' really react until we see something as affecting us personally- well maybe this is just all people.

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Thank you! I think what you're saying is true, and as you suggest not just Americans.

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The left feels threatened that an authoritarian may take over their country and so now they are fueled to action-finally. I agree with you that it would have made sense to be protesting consistently for years against these wars in the ME that slaughtered so many innocents. But I would say that late is better than never, the election of Trump is forcing people with a voice to stand up for those who have less of a voice.

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Yes, I get that people are frightened. I hope that's all that's going on.

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That link you posted about the boomerang effect seems to be russian propaganda.

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Why do you think so? I found it plausible in that people who have experienced color revolutions are seeing signs of the same here in the U.S. But, I'm interested in hearing your reasons for thinking it's propaganda.

posted February 06, 2017 07:08 AM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
Why are you acting hostile towards me?

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posted February 06, 2017 07:12 AM            

And I've had close friends who were Muslims, and I'm fond of many Muslims.

But oppressive attitudes towards women, I cannot support, under ANY religious flag.

posted February 06, 2017 10:47 AM            

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Originally posted by BlueRoamer:
Peony I do see your point, Americans have a tendency to be America-centric and dont' really react until we see something as affecting us personally- well maybe this is just all people. The left feels threatened that an authoritarian may take over their country and so now they are fueled to action-finally. I agree with you that it would have made sense to be protesting consistently for years against these wars in the ME that slaughtered so many innocents. But I would say that late is better than never, the election of Trump is forcing people with a voice to stand up for those who have less of a voice.

That link you posted about the boomerang effect seems to be russian propaganda.

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I think that people have been apathetic for a while. Look at the number of people who didn't vote at all.

Someone spent 4-1/2 hours polling people at the women's march in New York City. 20% didn't vote, and 10% voted for someone aside from Clinton (they obviously weren't for Trump). We protested against the Iraq war, they went to war in Syria, too.
"They" are going to do what they want to do, it seems. I have a friend who was in the Navy, a woman, who said the same thing last week, in this exact same discussion with someone else.

posted February 06, 2017 10:55 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
I'm mystified by that, too.

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Thank you, Faith.

By the way, peony, I'm not American-born, I just happen to be a citizen thanks to my father, who registered me as a baby. I spent a number of years in England, so I'm not your "typical" American. Although my friends that you might label that way, aren't either. They tried, it happened anyway. What are they supposed to do?

Women "marched" all over the WORLD. Not just here, and we weren't doing it just for American women. It was the biggest protest ever, and it was *peaceful*. The only thing making me feel good lately, is the number of people who are ready to fight this administration, and to stand up for what's right anywhere. Obama had his fans, me included, but a lot of people weren't happy with the way he handled things like Syria. That's why they voted for people like Trump, who lied out of his arse, and told them he was anti-establishment. I could see him for what he was, so why can't they? If you voted for Trump, are you still happy that you did?

I have Muslim friends who were affected by the ban. I have Mexican friends who are affected by the **** he's pulled with them. There are Russian journalists, living here in America, who are speaking out against him - talking about how much it resembles what they experienced in Russia, at times - and he just yells "fake news" and stamps his feet, tweets all the time about his not getting his way.

posted February 06, 2017 11:27 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
It is possible. You aren't exactly being civil. you also didn't answer my question, as to why my previous response was "interesting".

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The question posed is do we Americans collectively care about Muslims. Of course, individual Americans have and are acting to help Muslims. I know a brave person who has worked with an NGO in Syria. The issue of responsibility that you've raised, whether personal or collective although an important one is a different question and not the subject of this post. Your making this about you personally is what I find interesting.

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So, why do you blame the U.S.? Putin, Trump's buddy, was a big part of Syria, right?

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The Muslim ban is obviously a highly charged subject for many people, as are Putin and Trump. So, it's not surprising that inflammatory speech is now pervasive in our discourse. Your questions have nothing to do with the matter being considered and don't do anything to advance the discussion. On the contrary, they're argumentative and inflammatory. As for being uncivil, I have no interest in demonizing other people. As a component of scapegoating, it's a form of violence that often leads to war. But apart from this, it makes it impossible to have a rational discussion.

posted February 07, 2017 07:57 AM            

Had this happened in India, Muslims would have protested on the streets, and the Right Wing Nazi Government would send special forces to shoot them down at point blank range. Or blind them by shooting pellets into their eyes [1000 Kashmiri Youth in India were blinded last year for protesting]. None of the dead/injured would be compensated, and Muslims would be blamed as terrorists and survivors would be arrested for years without trial. This is not a fiction or a vent, this is what happened in 1992 and 1993.

Now, Guess what happened in Texas ? Americans of all ethnic groups [More than 90% White Christians I am told from my Texas Sources]
raised $650,000.00 to help rebuild the Mosque. And the Jewish American Brethren were no less generous. They have opened the doors of their Synagogue for Muslims to conduct their prayers.

This is exactly why God will continue to Bless Americans, irrespective of the atrocities committed in the Name of America by Dark Occult Led Spooks who force US Soldiers to attack Arab Nations and Install Dictators to help Big Oil Corporations.
If the American Public were to know the shameful crimes committed in their name, they would lynch the Establishment.

Americans Do Care about Muslims, as much as the sensitive Justin Trudeau led Canadians and gutsy Europeans. American MNC Corporations in the Middle East? They do not care two hoots about any human being, leave alone Muslims.

posted February 08, 2017 03:53 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
You were argumentative and inflammatory, before I brought up Putin. Why?

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I think we are each responsible for our own actions. Speaking of which, my initial comment was not something to say out loud to a stranger on the Internet. And even with a friend, one needs to be careful. That was a mistake and I am sorry about that. I haven't learned the lesson yet of considering who I am speaking to and the circumstances involved before I speak...

posted February 08, 2017 04:10 PM            

Because
A) people did protest, in their millions, against going into, and staying in Iraq. They were ignored and scolded so most either gave up in the pressures of everyday life, or went underground.

B)However it was as much Donny's promise to stop meddling in the ME as anything (and Clinton's warmongering platform) that got him elected.

C) No matter how tardy the response is, it is welcome .. if you save my life because you don't like the sight of blood, you still save me! Thanks!😉

posted February 08, 2017 04:48 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
It's not a Muslim ban, and it's not racist. It's a ban on geography, because those governments have become compromised by ISIS.

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I'm skeptical that the ban targeting people from these seven predominantly Muslim countries is because of their religion. I'm not privy to Trump's private thoughts and therefore his true intentions to have any certainty about whether the ban is racist or not.

According to Seth Frantzman, a journalist who has covered refugees fleeing from the wars in Iraq and Syria for two years:

"It was the US policy under Obama to restrict and target people “who have been present in Iraq, Syria, Iran, Sudan, at any time on or after March 1, 2011 (with limited government/military exceptions).” This was text of the US Customs and Border Protection in 2015 relating to “the Visa Waiver Program and Terrorist Travel Protection Act of 2015“. The link even includes the seven nation list in it: “Iraq, Syria, Iran, SUdan, Somalia or Yemen.”  And the media knew this back in May 2016 when some civil rights groups complained about it. “These restrictions have provoked an outcry from the Iranian-American community, as well as Arab-American and civil-liberties groups, who say the restrictions on dual nationals and certain travelers are discriminatory and could be imposed against American dual nationals.

So for more than a year it has been US policy to discriminate against, target and even begin to ban people from the seven countries that Trump is accused of banning immigrants and visitors from. CNN even hinted at this by noting “those countries were named in a 2016 law concerning immigration visas as ‘countries of concern.'”

posted February 08, 2017 05:01 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
I'm outspokenly anti-war, anti-invasion, anti-drones...

And I've had close friends who were Muslims, and I'm fond of many Muslims.

But oppressive attitudes towards women, I cannot support, under ANY religious flag.

Do you care about women? I do. And I don't stand for people not caring about US, either.

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