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pire
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posted February 27, 2017 04:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pire     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Check it out for yourself, google famine kenya, famine somalia, famine ethiopia, these are the 3 countries most concerned by the food shortages dued to drought for the last 2 years

Right now, some kids die after feeling pain in their empty stomach. Long, slow, painful death with a deadly hunger in your belly.

Have you had lunch today ?

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Ra
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posted February 27, 2017 06:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ra     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That is awful. But are you suggesting that I am supposed to feel guilt? Should I not eat my lunch?

There are larger forces at work, and there are many ways in which to help, but feeling guilty doesn't do much good. Empathy, yes. Guilt, no.

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pire
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posted February 27, 2017 08:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pire     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Do you suggest that I imply that we all starve ourselves to death because some are already dying of empty stomach ?
Or that we should feel sorry for having precisely what i consider the bare minimum everyone alive should have i.e food ? It is not us who need our comfort to change but it is their comfort that need to be improved greatly, at least to the minimum to remain alive.

Empathy will surely help their soul but not their body.

Interesting though...

Empathy with starving people while voting for Trump... ?

I was expressing anger, not guilt

I am at wirk so i' ll respond more tomorrow

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Catalina
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posted February 27, 2017 10:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There is no need for anyone in this world to starve. Politics, bureaucracy ands greed prevent full rations. The only guilt should be that this is perpetrated on people for the sake of power and profit

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posted February 28, 2017 01:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There is Famine even in South Sudan.

I believe the "Mercy Corps" are doing their best at getting food to the starving masses.

https://www.mercycorps.org/donate/urgent-families-facing-famine

We can only raise awareness and chip in to organizations like Mercy Corps. And pray for rain....

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posted March 01, 2017 02:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Food goes to waste at a criminal rate. There is more than enough for every single resident here.

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pire
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posted March 01, 2017 06:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pire     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I wanted to reply to RA yesterday but I haven't found the time.

First let me congratulate you for having empathy and be able to remain sympathetic with a peaceful mind. I do try and sometimes manages, although not always.

3 days ago when I learned about this situation, The anger was stronger. this is why : (regarding Kenya only, other countries concerned about the situation are Ethiopia, Somalia, South Soudan and Yemen)

-Red cross need 7.1 million € for Kenya (7.48 million $)
-Kenyan government asks for 84 millions € of donation to face the situation (88.5 million $)
[url=http://www.lemonde.fr/afrique/article/2006/01/05/au-kenya-la-famine-annoncee-a-deja-fait-40-victimes_727472_3212.html]link to Le Monde´s article, in french, but since the entire world is using the hindu-arabic numbers, everyone should understand regardless of the language !

It is a very small amount of money, think about the increase that Trump wants to give to the pentagone for exemple, here it is peanuts to save the lives of millions of people, so it is definitely not a problem of money.

Why do we all find that acceptable ? Why are we not angry yet ? we as the rich western World, have sucked their people, now their wealth... drought and famine happens in this part of my planet every few years but we do nothing to prevent it in the first place. Is it because these famines are happening in Africa ? Is it because we are racists ?

While europe wants to isolate itself from the poors of the world that want to come over, while Trump has been elected on this precise argument, we should not get angry or even guilty (if that is what it makes feel some) we can only show empathy ? And why not send them white light while we are there ? Sure they will starve but surrendered by humanity's prayers !

Let's be ****** angry ! If not now when ?

My comment on our "western comfort" and our last "lunch" is to emphasize my anger when I empathise with their current feelings/pains, right now, they are currently hurting in their belly, experiencing physically stomachache due to emptiness, and on top of their hunger that leads them to die sooner or later, mothers suffer to see their kids dying of having nothing to eat, they can not save their own kids. In 2017 ? Are we not angry ?

Is anger only a virtue when electing Trump or Le pen but not when africans are dying ? Because they are blacks ?

Personnally I feel guilt but only for not being angry enough to actually do something about it. I raise awareness, I vote for accordingly, I, like all of us am just a link in this chain, but I certainly will never be the one who brakes the chain or lower the vibration because of my anger

Again, righteous anger is not only for voting for Trump & co

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Ra
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posted March 17, 2017 11:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ra     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Please forgive me for being terse. Many years ago, I could have written your same words, pire.

Ten, fifty, one hundred, one thousand years ago, people were starving. People starve now, in my own country, the US, and it is disgusting. It should not happen, logically. But it does. Trump has nothing to do with it.

I have been angry, and I still get angry about injustice and inequality in the world. But the United States needs to take care of its own first, and can not be expected to take care of the rest of the world. These impoverished countries have governments, yes? The souls that are born in these countries have done so by choice, yes? There is a reason for that.

If it is just a case of a small amount of money, then why does not the French government ante up and pay the small bill? Why not the British? Why not the Germans? Why not the Chinese? Must it fall on America's back?

The United States of America, and the taxpayers who fund it, is the most generous country on the face of the planet, but we can only stretch so far.

Corruption is the enemy, and it exists within every nation, every government, and everything humanity has its hands on. It is what we all must fight.

It is not Trump, or the US, that is the enemy, it is our own complacency and blind observance of corruption.

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pire
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posted March 18, 2017 12:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pire     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My comment apply to western countries as a whole, because of our wealth AND our stance on human rights, universal values and so on...
But it applies to rich muslims countries too, to rich from every countries too actually.

We can sit around and start to ponder on who is to blame, a game trump and populists of all nations are good at...

It is just a way to not act. And again it is not me or you or any single person that is responsible. It is a collective responsability of the souls who decided to incarnate at an era when we throw away food, we have some responsability, the least to be ashamed

Ps: let's not make my comment personal. I have no more value for saying it, and don't pretend to be more angelic that those who don't feel ashamed. It is a fact, we are a sad face of humanity sometimes. This is one exemple

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posted March 18, 2017 02:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ra:
Please forgive me for being terse. Many years ago, I could have written your same words, pire.

Ten, fifty, one hundred, one thousand years ago, people were starving. People starve now, in my own country, the US, and it is disgusting. It should not happen, logically. But it does. Trump has nothing to do with it.

I have been angry, and I still get angry about injustice and inequality in the world. But the United States needs to take care of its own first, and can not be expected to take care of the rest of the world. These impoverished countries have governments, yes? The souls that are born in these countries have done so by choice, yes? There is a reason for that.

If it is just a case of a small amount of money, then why does not the French government ante up and pay the small bill? Why not the British? Why not the Germans? Why not the Chinese? Must it fall on America's back?

The United States of America, and the taxpayers who fund it, is the most generous country on the face of the planet, but we can only stretch so far.

Corruption is the enemy, and it exists within every nation, every government, and everything humanity has its hands on. It is what we all must fight.

It is not Trump, or the US, that is the enemy, it is our own complacency and blind observance of corruption.


Trump and his cronies are taking money away from Meals on Wheels, and children who need to be fed. By doing this, he is directly causing people to have even less food than they usually do. Also sucking up all of the money, tax breaks for themselves, and making everyone else pay for this stupid wall.


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Randall
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posted March 18, 2017 04:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No one will starve. It's only a fraction of what Meals on Wheals makes, which is mostly made up of charitable donations.

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Ra
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posted March 18, 2017 10:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ra     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Pire, we can agree on much of your last statement, and I definitely agree on not making it personal.

Teasel, with all due respect, this has nothing to do with Trump.

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