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Randall
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posted March 10, 2017 11:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
President Trump’s assertion that his phones at Trump Tower were tapped last year has been treated as hilarious—and in some circles as beyond contempt. But I can vouch for the fact that extracurricular surveillance does occur, regardless of whether it is officially approved. I was wiretapped in 2011 after taking a phone call in my congressional office from a foreign leader.

That a secret recording had been made of this call was revealed to me by the Washington Times in 2015, a full two years after I left office.

The newspaper’s investigative reporters called me, saying they had obtained a tape of a sensitive telephone conversation that they wanted me to verify.

When I met them at a Chinese restaurant in Washington, they played back audio of a call I had taken in my D.C. congressional office four years earlier.

The call had been from Saif el-Islam Qaddafi, a high-ranking official in Libya’s government and a son of the country’s ruler, Moammar Qaddafi.

At the time I was leading efforts in the House to challenge the Obama administration’s war against Libya. The Qaddafi government reached out to me because its appeals to the White House and the State Department to forestall the escalating aggression had gone unanswered.

Before taking the call, I checked with the House’s general counsel to ensure that such a discussion by a member of Congress with a foreign power was permitted by law.

I was assured that under the Constitution a lawmaker had a fundamental duty to ask questions and gather information—activity expressly protected by the Article I clauses covering separation of powers and congressional speech and debate. I could and did ask questions of the younger Mr. Qaddafi.

On the Libyan end, the risk of the conversation was that whatever phone was used to call my office might serve as a homing beacon for a drone strike.

That possibility was minimized, I was told, by calling me on a cellphone that was used only once and then discarded.

Somehow, the Washington Times had gotten its hands on the surreptitious recording. I authenticated the conversation, and parts of it were published by the newspaper, which provided online links where readers could listen to me talking with Mr. Qaddafi.

The reporters did not say, nor did I ask, who had made the tape. But the paper’s stories referenced “secret audio recordings recovered from Tripoli.”

I have only my suspicions about their true provenance. The quality of the recordings was excellent on both ends of the call.

If sources had indeed discovered the tapes in Tripoli, there is no plausible explanation for how they would have chosen the Washington Times to carry the story. And which foreign intelligence service conceivably could have been interested in my phone call, had the technology to intercept it, and then wanted to leak it to the newspaper?

There’s a simpler explanation: I believe the tape was made by an American intelligence agency and then leaked to the Times for political reasons. If so, this episode represented a gross violation of the separation of powers.

Shortly after the Times story was published, I alerted congressional leaders to the breach and then let the matter rest, assuming that a series of routine Freedom of Information Act requests I had made in 2012 before leaving office would provide answers.

Five years later I am still waiting for FOIA responses from some of the intelligence agencies.

I cannot say with assurance that my Libya call was the only one intercepted.

I have never gone public with this story, but when I saw the derision with which President Trump’s claims were greeted—and notwithstanding our political differences—I felt I should share my experience.

When the president raised the question of wiretapping on his phones in Trump Tower, he was challenged to prove that such a thing could happen.

It happened to me.

For 16 years, Dennis Kucinich served as a Democratic member of the U.S. House of Representatives for Ohio, representing Ohio's 10th congressional district from 1997 to Jan. 2013. He currently serves as a contributor for Fox News Channel providing analysis and commentary across FNC's daytime and primetime programming.
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/03/10/dennis-kucinich-im-no-fan-trumps-but-hes-got-point-about-wiretapping.html

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posted March 10, 2017 01:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Of course it`s not

Remember Watergate and I am not a crook?

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posted March 10, 2017 02:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We are talking about illegal wiretapping in the digital age.

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posted March 10, 2017 03:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah, I also remember the Marxist Messiah, O'Bomber tapping the phones of James Rosen of Fox News and the Associated Press phones.

Ain't nothing new!

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posted March 10, 2017 08:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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When the president raised the question of wiretapping on his phones in Trump Tower, he was challenged to prove that such a thing could happen.

With him hiding out in the WH we may be in for a lonngggg wait.

Oh wait, it never happened or he would be front and center with facts, vids and confessions.

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posted March 11, 2017 12:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's the House and Senate which have investigations going into the issue of Russian hacking AND wiretapping of the President's campaign.

Did you somehow miss this NY Times story about the Trump campaign being wiretapped? A leak to the Times by someone in the intelligence agencies...and, by the way, a federal felony offense.

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posted March 11, 2017 11:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Did you somehow miss the news that we are ALL being wiretapped all the time? That there was a warrant issued?

Now how about the firing of 4 dozen fed prosecutors the minute one got ready to investigate His Naked Hinieness

It looks more and more like Hitler, you know... the one you would've shot before he could do his damage

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posted March 11, 2017 03:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And our wobdwrful reps are doing everything they can to eliminate privacy any way they can
http://www.engadget.com/2017/03/09/congress-begins-rolling-back-obama-s-broadband-privacy-rules/?sr_source=Facebook

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posted March 12, 2017 03:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How about Kommander Korruption, aka Bill Clinton firing all 93 US Attorneys.

I don't recall far left loons screeching, howling, shrieking and gnashing their teeth when that happened.

I know this is big news to far left lunatics but, it's customary for an incoming Administration to ask for the resignations of US Attorneys...and other appointees of a previous administration. It's also not unusual for some of those people to be Reappointed.

The seems to be nothing under the sun that leftist lunatics won't whine, screech and shriek about. But this, this isn't in the least unusual.

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posted March 12, 2017 03:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
.US. attorneys, a very unusual practice. Republicans charged the Clintonites made the move to take U.S. Attorney Jay Stephens off the House Post Office investigation of Ways and Means Chairman Dan Rostenkowski. The network response: ABC and CBS never mentioned it. CNN's World News and NBC Nightly News provided brief mentions, with only NBC noting the Rosty angle. Only NBC's Garrick Utley kept the old outrage, declaring in a March 27 "Final Thoughts" comment: "Every new President likes to say 'Under me, it's not going to be politics as usual.' At the Justice Department, it looks as if it still is."

http://www.mrc.org/biasalerts/nets-ignored-clinton-firing-93-us-attorneys-f ret-over-bushs-8-3142007

Once again you use the amusing deflection of pointing out the precedent by someone you deem utterly corrupt, as an argument FOR doing the same. Talk to me about "rational" 🤣😂?

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posted March 12, 2017 03:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/so-is-this-us-attorney-purge-unprecedented-or-not/

So it looks like you are right that its fairly common at least in recent history. Reagan did it too. I was out of the country for both their terms..

But apparently the opposition party of the time had big issues with Clinton doing it.. now its ok for YOUR gander..

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posted March 12, 2017 04:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This was a customary practice and happens in all new administrations.

You just don't get it...do you?

Just something else to screech, whine and shriek about.

"Politico 2009: Obama to ‘Replace’ Bush U.S. Attorneys/Politico 2017: Trump to ‘Oust’ Obama Appointees
Warner Todd Huston
11 Mar 2017

With news flooding the media that President Donald Trump has requested the resignations of 46 U.S. attorneys appointed by Barack Obama, Politico’s coverage slapped Trump with a headline screaming that the president was about to unceremoniously “oust” Obama’s appointees.

Back in 2009, Politico had a much less sensational headline when reporting on all the Bush-era U.S. attorneys that Obama fired.

For its March 10 article on the Trump administration’s decision to ask for resignation letters from 46 Obama-appointed U.S. attorneys — an action fully within Trump’s legal right and one many other presidents also executed — Politico chose a headline that clearly cast Trump’s actions in a negative light.

Politico reporter Josh Gerstein’s piece reporting on the president’s move was sharply titled, “Trump team ousts Obama-appointed U.S. attorneys.”

Gerstein opened his coverage by insisting that the Trump administration’s action was “a seemingly abrupt move that surprised many.” And the writer went on to cast it as untoward and “politically fraught,” giving voice to several people critical of Trump’s move.

But Politico was not nearly as antagonistic about presidents replacing a past chief executive’s U.S. attorneys back in 2009 when Barack Obama did the same thing Trump just did.

In 2009, Politico’s article on Obama’s decision to begin firing Bush-era attorneys was blandly entitled, “Obama to replace U.S. Attorneys.” Noticeably missing was the negative “oust” thrown at Trump. Instead, a milder “replace” was used to describe Obama’s actions.

The 2009 article was also written as a straight news piece with no negative connotations, no finger wagging, and no voices of opposition. In fact, the closest Politico got to negativity in 2009 was to say that Obama’s order “began to resolve the questions” over whether Obama would fire Bush’s attorneys in light of the trouble Bush got into from the left when he fired some of Clinton’s appointees back in 2006.

Finally, to put an even finer point on the bias exhibited between the two articles, the writer of the 2009 piece was none other than Josh Gerstein, the same writer responsible for the attack on Trump’s resignation request today.

You can practically taste the bias here:

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/03/11/politico-2009-obama-to-replace-bush-u-s-attorneyspolitico-today-2017-to-oust-obama-appointees/

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posted March 12, 2017 04:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Maybe that is because the two words describe different things? Trump has not replaced them, just ousted them. Perhaps if he does replace them the story would be different😋

And isnt it about time you, who have been persecutional about Obama for 9 years now, stop moaning about other people doing similar? The fact is whoever gets elected a lot of people are unhappy and unwilling to accept it. You didn't; Goosey Gander...

And since i already agreed with you you csn stop repeating yourself as if i didn't now...

Wiretapping suspicious connections with a warrant is pretty unremarkable too.

Heres a story sourced from one of your buddies, Daily Caller. I wonder why intel were investigating this crew? Let me see...
http://www.palmerreport.com/news/michael-flynn-was-paying-fbi-official-who-tried-to-sabotage-hillary-clinton-during-campaign/1881/

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posted March 12, 2017 04:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Trump didn't "oust" the US Attorneys. He asked for their resignations...just like Obama and Kommander Korrupting did during the start of their administrations.

This entire story is a "Nothing Burger". Just something else for lunatic leftists to vent their bilge, bile and stupidity over.

In the meantime, President Trump is marching forward with his agenda, the very same agenda he promised voters he would accomplish.

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posted March 12, 2017 11:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Precedent: Right After 1992 Election Bill Clinton Fired U.S. Attorney Jeff Sessions
Warner Todd Huston
11 Mar 2017

As liberals react in horror over Trump Attorney General Jeff Sessions’ decision to ask for the resignation of 46 Obama-appointed U.S. Attorneys, an inconvenient fact has also surfaced. Jeff Sessions himself was fired by a newly elected president in 1993 when Bill Clinton won his first term in office.

The Department of Justice announced on Friday that U.S. Attorney General Jeff Sessions asked for the resignation of 46 U.S. Attorneys who were appointed during President Barack Obama’s regime.

The Attorney General’s actions are not uncommon. Many past presidents and their AGs have asked for the resignations of U.S. attorneys they were tasked with overseeing. In 2006 George W. Bush was attacked by liberals for firing seven U.S. attorneys. He was hardly the first. Both Jimmy Carter and Ronald Reagan fired a list of attorneys when they came to office. President Obama also cleaned house but at a slower pace, replacing many of the 94 U.S. attorneys one at a time instead of starting with a mass firing.

Despite the long list of past presidents who also fired U.S. attorneys, as they are legally allowed to do, CNN criticized the firing, reporting an unnamed source saying, “This could not have been handled any worse.”

Upon the announcement, liberals took to Twitter to complain about the Attorney General’s actions.

One liberal even tried to blame Sean Hannity for the AG’s actions.

But along with all the complaints, others noted that Sessions himself faced the exact same situation when President Bill Clinton entered the White House. After being appointed the U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of Alabama by President Ronald Reagan and serving through President George H.W. Bush, Sessions was also fired by an incoming president in 1993.


http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/03/11/precedent-right-after-1992-election-bill-clinton-fired-u-s-attorney-jeff-sessions/

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