posted June 27, 2017 06:53 PM            

I saw protesters of the new TrumpCare bill and many had signs that said "healthcare is a human right"

How so? I do not think it is. Heatth care is a responsibility not a right.

We are responsible to provide the care needed for ourselves and dependents. Not a given right provided by the states or feds.

I am not splitting hairs over Medicaid either.

It used to be called ADC ie Aid for Dependent Children and adults were exempt. Now it is the expected method of healthcare for children and adults.

When I was a child and needed my tonsils out, my dad took a second shift to pay it off. No state aid.

Isn`t this how it should be? Where did Americans get the idea health care is a human right? I`m truely perplexed by this.

Stepping off soapbox

posted June 27, 2017 08:24 PM            

Your father would have to work a lot of shifts to pay for a tonsillectomy today thanks to the stranglehold insurance companies have on the med industry. I paid $1100 for a doctor to talk at me from across room and prescribe ibuprofen for a hip injury it didn't touch a couple years ago.

Dont be fooled that people on Medicaid are just the "lazy" unemployed.. most of them work and pay in to the pot.

This is the fallacy of "something for nothing". If people with more are contributing more they should also be entitled to the service.. but even if they choose not to use it I promise you a country without healthcare safety nets is a country with a lot of people suffering and seriously only the very richest are not affected. In England, for instance, a millionaire can get NHS care and also know that he wont be infected by people carryingTB around on the street (for an example).

Its a tough one tho, because unless it's done right the bureaucrats will ruin it. And unless its done the poor will be much less able to contribute to society at large.

Personally I think: make real food affordable and most people could take care of themselves.. but the cracker hacks and pill pushers would go out of business...

posted June 29, 2017 08:51 AM            

Many people can not afford wellcare. My opinion of how americans allocate their disposable income is another thread. [think starbucks, new phones every 6 months, 3,000 sq ft homes for couples)

Wellcare can help prevent issues spiraling out of control.
Healthcare means different things to different people. Healthcare = insurance to me.

posted June 29, 2017 06:38 PM            

Don't be afraid to agree with someone you don't like, the subject is not him, but healthcare.

Please, watch it to understand how other rich countries see the matter of healthcare.

posted June 29, 2017 11:37 PM            

Cuba has a health care system which couldn't even treat their Maximum Leader, Fidel. In fact, they almost killed Fidel and had to call in European doctors after they botched Fidel's treatment.

posted June 30, 2017 12:44 PM            

Apparently Istaels best doctors made the wrong call when Sharon had his stroke.. which ultimately killed him.

But Cuban doctors are required to be infalliible..or they're judged uaeless..

posted June 30, 2017 05:30 PM            

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Originally posted by jwhop:
Listen up, El Sicko is an old, old, old story covered very thoroughly here.

It's a stew of old tripe and smelly fish heads that only dim wits would find appetizing.

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Oh, so once upon a time you criticized its author, therefore :

1- we can not bring the subject up
2- you are going to call me names for liking it

While you clearly haven't watched a film that you criticize ?

posted July 01, 2017 09:10 AM            

Question is; why are you trying to resurrect the corpse that was buried long ago.

posted July 01, 2017 11:46 AM            

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Originally posted by jwhop:
Yes, El Sicko extolls the virtues of the Cuban Communist health care system.

Cuba has a health care system which couldn't even treat their Maximum Leader, Fidel. In fact, they almost killed Fidel and had to call in European doctors after they botched Fidel's treatment.

You're welcome to El Sicko.

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This doc isn't about the cuban heatlcare system, but actually about the failures of the US system in comparison to what other countries achieved, including cuba, but including France or the UK, which are far from communist countries, both being alternatively the 4th and 5th strongest economy with merely 60 to 65 millions citizens each.

I think your arrogance is so big you can not admit something you believe in, love, cannot be perfect already. And your failure to see the truth, as is shown in this documentary, and even listen to other point of views different than yours, like those of michael moore for instance, is another proof if one was needed, that you react emotionnally but are never able to rationalize even afterwards.

posted July 01, 2017 12:44 PM            

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Many people can not afford wellcare. My opinion of how americans allocate their disposable income is another thread. [think starbucks, new phones every 6 months, 3,000 sq ft homes for couples)

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I appreciate the distinction between healthcare and wellcare!

I agree 100% about Americans believing a lifestyle of luxery is more important that health/wellcare.

Leave the iphones aside and pay for your medical needs.

@cat. I also appreciate your post on the outrageous cost of Drs and medical needs. Drugs are so overpriced even insurance companys pay little of the cost. During the course of Obamacare, my inhaler went from $10 co pay to $60 a month now.

posted July 02, 2017 10:48 AM            

http://youtu.be/gXBPKE28UF0

27 avr. 2017