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juniperb
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posted July 11, 2017 06:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
BUT

conspiracy, perjury and treason are deadly sins/crimes.

A format for Trump and crews "rookie mistakes"

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posted July 11, 2017 07:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
When was anyone under oath? No perjury. Conspiracy has to be conspiracy to commit a certain crime. And treason doesn't apply--not even close. Treason would be trying to overthrow the government or helping our enemies, like the soldier from Hawaii who was just arrested for helping ISIS. The original email sent to the Trump camp made it sound like Hillary was doing something illegal with Russia. It was very "Washington-like" to be tempted to meet her to see what it was, but it wasn't a crime. No statute was violated, and no information was given.

18 USC 2381 Treason

Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

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posted July 11, 2017 11:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We have 2 qualified parties for treason trials.

"Making war against them (The USA) or giving aid and comfort to the enemy.

The Marxist Messiah, Obama:

Gave the enemy of the United States, Iran, $150 Billion and signed off on their acquisition of Nuclear Weapons and ballistic missiles...including ICBMs.

The Queen of Corruption, Hillary The Corrupt:

Signed off on the deal giving our enemy, Putin/Russia 20% of a US strategic mineral, Uranium...for a small fee of about $100 Million in donations to the Clintonista Foundation and Hillary and Bill's bank account.

And, if you want to talk about collusion and conspiracy with foreign powers; look no further than Hillary The Corrupt colluding and conspiring with the Russian government and the Ukrainian government to dig up opposition research information to use against Trump in a US presidential election.

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posted July 12, 2017 02:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Trump supporters lose their s**t if a sports star refuses to stand for the national anthem, but they're perfectly fine with trump and his family selling the country out to another country's government.

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posted July 12, 2017 02:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hillary did that many times over. Is it your strategy to divert from her crimes by making stuff up about President Trump? Fail.

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posted July 12, 2017 02:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You can stop smirking. I take everything with a grain of salt, when it comes from anyone still supporting trump. It was bad enough that anyone did in the first place.

and "Hillary did it" doesn't work. We aren't talking about Hillary. If she had done it, you guys would be freaking out every single day. You still can't shut up about her, or Obama.

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posted July 12, 2017 09:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"and "Hillary did it" doesn't work. We aren't talking about Hillary. If she had done it, you guys would be freaking out every single day. You still can't shut up about her, or Obama."

Hillary DID DO IT. Why can't you get this simple fact through your leftist head.

Hillary The Corrupt "PAID" for opposition research on Donald Trump from a foreign power...RUSSIA.

In the Trump Jr case, there was no payment for anything, no agreement to pay for anything, no agreement for any future payment and no information changed hands.
Further, the person Trump Jr met with IS NOT an official of a foreign government.

What we have with Hillary The Corrupt is actual collusion and conspiring with an enemy foreign government to help get her elected President.

Democrats intentionally used disinformation from Russia to attack Trump, campaign aides
Rowan Scarborough
The Washington Times
Wednesday, July 12, 2017

While the liberal news media hunts for evidence of Trump-Russia collusion, the public record shows that Democrats have willfully used Moscow disinformation to influence the presidential election against Donald Trump and attack his administration.

The disinformation came in the form of a Russian-fed dossier written by former British intelligence agent Christopher Steele. It contains a series of unverified criminal charges against Mr. Trump’s campaign aides, such as coordinating Moscow’s hacking of Democratic Party computers.

Some Democrats have widely circulated the discredited information. Mr. Steele was paid by the Democrat-funded opposition research firm Fusion GPS with money from a Hillary Clinton backer. Fusion GPS distributed the dossier among Democrats and journalists. The information fell into the hands of the FBI, which used it in part to investigate Mr. Trump’s campaign aides.

Mr. Steele makes clear that his unproven charges came almost exclusively from sources linked to the Kremlin and Russian President Vladimir Putin. He identified his sources as “a senior Russian Foreign Ministry figure,” a former “top level Russian intelligence officer active inside the Kremlin,” a “senior Kremlin official” and a “senior Russian government official.”

The same Democrats who have condemned Russia’s election interference via plying fake news and hacking email servers have quoted freely from the Steele anti-Trump memos derived from creatures of the Kremlin.

In other words, there is public evidence of significant, indirect collusion between Democrats and Russian disinformation, a Trump supporter said.

“If anyone colluded with the Russians, it was the Democrats,” said a former Trump campaign adviser who asked not to be identified because of the pending investigations. “After all, they’ve routinely shopped around false claims from the debunked Steele dossier, which listed sources including senior Kremlin officials. If anyone should be investigated in Washington, it ought to be Adam Schiff, Eric Swalwell, Mark Warner and their staffers.”

That is a reference to Rep. Adam B. Schiff of California, the top Democrat on the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence; Sen. Mark R. Warner, Virginia Democrat and vice chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence; and Rep. Eric Swalwell, a California, Democrat on the House intelligence panel.

By his own admission, Mr. Steele’s work has proved unreliable.

As first reported by The Washington Times on April 25, Mr. Steele filed a document in a sealed court case in London acknowledging that a major dossier charge about hacking Democrats’ computers was unverified. The entire dossier never should have been made public and Fusion GPS should not have passed it around, Mr. Steele said in a filing defending himself against a libel charge.

About Carter Page

Other dossier targets vehemently deny the dirt thrown by the Kremlin sources.

Mr. Steele’s Russian sources accused Mr. Trump’s attorney, Michael Cohen, of attending a meeting with Russian agents in Prague to cover up their role in Moscow’s hacking. Mr. Cohen has said he has never been to Prague and was in California at the time.

One of the main targets of Mr. Steele’s Russian sources is Carter Page, who lived and worked in Moscow as a Merrill Lynch investor. He had loose ties to the Trump campaign as a foreign policy adviser and surrogate.

Mr. Steele’s Russian sources accused Mr. Page of a series of crimes: teaming up with former Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort to help Russia hack Democratic computers, meeting in Moscow with two Putin cronies to plot against Mrs. Clinton and working out a shady brokerage deal with a Russian oligarch.

Mr. Page told The Washington Times that he has never met Mr. Manafort, knew nothing about Russian hacking when it was happening, never met the two Russians named by Mr. Steele and never completed the supposed investment deal.

The dossier accusations against Mr. Page surfaced during the campaign in a Yahoo News story, citing not Mr. Steele but intelligence sources. It then went out on the U.S. government’s Voice of America.

In the meantime, the Clinton campaign used the Yahoo story to attack Mr. Trump: “Hillary for America Statement on Bombshell Report About Trump Aide’s Chilling Ties to Kremlin,” blared the Clinton campaign’s Sept. 23 press release.

Since the dossier was circulated widely among Democrats, Mr. Page said, he believes the Clinton team possessed it and relied on it based on what some of Mrs. Clinton’s surrogates said publicly.

“After the report by Yahoo News, the Clinton campaign put out an equally false press release just minutes after the article was released that afternoon,” said Mr. Carter, who has tracked what he believes is a series of inaccurate stories and accusations against him.

“Of course, the [Clinton campaign representatives] were lying about it with the media nonstop for many months, and they’ve continued until this day,” Mr. Carter said. “Both indirectly as they planted articles in the press and directly with many TV appearances.”

Democrats cite Russia’s dirt

Even before the Yahoo story, then-Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid, Nevada Democrat, was using the Russian-sourced dossier.

On Aug. 27, with the campaign in high gear and knowledge that Russian hackers had penetrated Clinton campaign computers in the public domain, Mr. Reid released a letter to then-FBI Director James B. Comey.

Mr. Reid called for an investigation into Mr. Carter’s trip to Moscow, where he supposedly “met with high-ranking sanctioned individuals. Any such meetings should be investigated and made part of the public record.”

Mr. Reid’s evidence surely came from the dossier and its Russian sources.

In the dossier, Mr. Steele clearly states that his anti-Trump accusations are from the Kremlin, which means some Democrats have been willingly repeating Moscow propaganda for public consumption in Washington.

No Democrats have embraced the Russian-sourced dossier more than members of the House intelligence committee, which is investigating Moscow’s interference in the election.

Mr. Schiff read from the dossier extensively at a March hearing featuring Mr. Comey and Navy Adm. Michael Rogers, who leads the National Security Agency.

As Mr. Schiff and other Democrats were bemoaning Kremlin activities against Mrs. Clinton, they were more than willing to quote Kremlin sources attacking Mr. Trump during the election campaign.

Mr. Schiff lauded Mr. Steele for disclosing that Rosneft, a Russian-owned gas and oil company, planned to sell a 19.5 percent share to an investor and that Mr. Page was offered a brokerage fee.

Trouble is, the 19.5 percent share was announced publicly by Moscow before Mr. Steele wrote that memo. Mr. Page said he was never involved in any talk about a commission.

Mr. Schiff was more than willing to quote Kremlin sources.

“According to Steele’s Russian sources, the campaign has offered documents damaging to Hillary Clinton, which the Russians would publish through an outlet that gives them deniability like WikiLeaks,” he said.

Mr. Schiff also said: “According to Christopher Steele, a former British intelligence officer, who is reportedly held in high regard by U.S. intelligence, Russian sources tell him that Page has also had a secret meeting with Igor Sechin, CEO of the Russian gas giant, Rosneft. Sechin is reported to be a former KGB agent and close friend of Putin’s.”

Mr. Page has said repeatedly that he does not know Mr. Sechin and did not meet with him in Moscow.

Meanwhile, Rep. Joaquin Castro of Texas, another Democrat on the House committee, lauded Mr. Steele’s Kremlin sourcing.

“I want to take a moment to turn to the Christopher Steele dossier, which was first mentioned in the media just before the election and published in full by media outlets in January,” Mr. Castro said. “My focus today is to explore how many claims within Steele’s dossier are looking more and more likely, as though they are accurate.

“This is not someone who doesn’t know how to run a source and not someone without contacts. The allegations it raises about President Trump’s campaign aides’ connections to Russians, when overlaid with known established facts and timelines from the 2016 campaign, are very revealing,” he said.

Rep. Andre Carson, Indiana Democrat, said: “There’s a lot in the dossier that is yet to be proven, but increasingly as we’ll hear throughout the day, allegations are checking out.”

On MSNBC in March, Rep. Maxine Waters, California Democrat, said she believed the dossier section on Mr. Trump and supposed sex acts with prostitutes in Moscow were true.

“Oh, I think it should be taken a look at,” she said. “I think they should really read it, understand it, analyze it and determine what’s fact, what may not be fact. We already know that the part about the coverage that they have on him with sex actions is supposed to be true. They have said that that’s absolutely true. Some other things they kind of allude to. Yes, I think he should go into that dossier and see what’s there.”

Fusion GPS widely circulated the dossier during the presidential race. The public got its first glance when the news site BuzzFeed posted it online in January, with its editor saying he doubted it was true.

One person who says he knows it is a fabrication is Russian entrepreneur Aleksej Gubarev.

The dossier quotes Russian sources as saying Mr. Gubarev’s technology company, XBT, used botnets to flood Democratic computers with porn and spying devices.

Mr. Gubarev is suing Mr. Steele for libel in London and is suing BuzzFeed in Florida.

It is in the London case that Mr. Steele acknowledged that his memo on Mr. Gubarev was unverified................
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jul/11/democrats-spread-false-russ ian-information-on-trum/

So, there you have it. Hillary The Corrupt paid for a report compiled from a foreign power...enemy of the United States and attempted to use it in a presidential election.

There are no such connections to foreign powers in the case of Trump Jr.

But, there is a very tall mountain of bullshiit and hypocrisy so thick it could be cut with a butter knife.

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posted July 12, 2017 12:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pire     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry cop i am not guilty, my neighboor used to do the same ... :-)

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posted July 12, 2017 12:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If your silly neighbor did the same thing Hillary The Corrupt did, then that neighbor is most definitely GUILTY.

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posted July 12, 2017 02:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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If your silly neighbor did the same thing Hillary The Corrupt did, then that neighbor is most definitely [b]GUILTY.[/B]

Hmm... if rump is saying that Hillary did it, too, then I guess you agree that HE is guilty. Otherwise, your comment to pire makes no sense.

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posted July 12, 2017 02:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Unlike Hillary The Corrupt who actually colluded and conspired with an enemy nation, Russia, to win the presidential election, Trump hasn't done any such thing.

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posted July 13, 2017 01:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Actually she had NO NEED TO GET INFO from Russia. It was known here at home. Intel had been monitoring RUSSIANS when they came across Trump associates' dealings with them. The main players in the Repub camp were briefed in September and.. given the chance to do the right thing, chose party over country.. paranoia? Hubris? Desperation? Greed? Who knows but possibly a combo of all the above..

We have reached a point where the BOY WHO CRIED WOLF dynamic has come to the fore. Everyone can be discredited and all facts denied. Distrust of authorities and sources is complete enough that the wolves can move in for the kill unchallenged

http://crooksandliars.com/2016/12/mitch-mcconnell-squelched-disclosure

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posted July 13, 2017 01:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
8 cars are racing down the highway well over the speedlimit. The cops only msnage to catch the slowest one!

"But officer.. they're all doing it too and they're speeding even worse!!"

"Yep..we know..but they're too far ahead to catch.. they'll be apprehended by the roadblock ahead. You are still charged with reckless endangerment and speeding. Breathe into the apparatus please"

Another persons guilt is not proof of innocence or grounds for a plea bargain..

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posted July 14, 2017 09:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A supposed ex-KGB officer was in that meeting, as well. Putin has apparently said that there's no such thing as a former KGB officer.

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posted July 14, 2017 12:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Obama let her in the country with that fake Hillary story, so he could set Trump Jr. up and get his FISA court warrant approved.

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posted July 14, 2017 01:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh for heaven's sake. Always trying to find a way to blame the Democrats. Nope, not working. You must be desperate.

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posted July 14, 2017 03:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Randall:
Obama let her in the country with that fake Hillary story, so he could set Trump Jr. up and get his FISA court warrant approved.

Bingo

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posted July 14, 2017 03:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Randall:
Obama let her in the country with that fake Hillary story, so he could set Trump Jr. up and get his FISA court warrant approved.


[QUOTE]Originally posted by jwhop:
Bingo


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posted July 14, 2017 04:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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It is hilarious. Now we just need the video or pictures of Obama twisting Donald Jr's arm, to read the email, and go through with meeting them. He couldn't possibly have made the decision on his own. It has to be a Democrat's fault.

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posted July 14, 2017 04:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Bingo

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/shep-smith-if-don-jr-meeting-was-no-big-deal-why-all-these-lies/

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posted July 14, 2017 04:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lol.

Whether the actual meet was about damagingHRC info.. or their grandchildren 😉

Whether it was set up by Obama or the Devil himself

The BINGO is that Donny Jr went for it full tilt.

And published the info a hot 5 minutes before the "fake news" NYT..

Poor Little Victim..not.

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posted July 14, 2017 06:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Opposition research and getting dirt is just politics. Actual collussion was on the Hillary team, and the new FBI Director should investigate the Ukranian connection.

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posted July 15, 2017 12:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Actually she had NO NEED TO GET INFO from Russia. It was known here at home. Intel had been monitoring RUSSIANS when they came across Trump associates' dealings with them."

Wrong again.

Hillary The Corrupt PAID another corrupt little Crash Dummy for lying information straight from Russia on Trump.

Please save the bullshiite for the tourists..and your friends in the Accidental American community. Real Americans aren't buying the bullshiiite.

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posted July 15, 2017 01:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
<<
Catalina wrote:
<<Lol.
Whether the actual meet was about damagingHRC info.. or their grandchildren 😉

Whether it was set up by Obama or the Devil himself

The BINGO is that Donny Jr went for it full tilt.

And published the info a hot 5 minutes before the "fake news" NYT..

Poor Little Victim..not. >>

I think all the controversies can be put to rest with the release of Trump's Tax Returns. The fundamental concern is that Russian Mafia Cash from those like the Agalarovs was routed into Trump's New York Projects when Trump had financial difficulty after the 2007 Economic Crash.

It should be noted that the Agalarovs are Muslim Billionaires, and this should put an end to the allegation that Trump is an Islamophobe.

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And now, we find Obama, through his Attorney General, Loretta Lynch, waived Visa and passport control to let that woman lawyer back into America though her documents had expired.

When your Visa and Passport expire, you reapply..if you want to visit America again.

Obviously, a set up but a set up that didn't work.

I know leftist loons think this is all sailing under the radar but the statute of limitations isn't anywhere near the end of it's shelf life.

President Trump has constitutional authority to appoint a Special Counsel to investigate democrat conspiracies with Russia and Ukraine, as well as democrats who leaked confidential and secret documents to the imbecilic press.

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