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posted July 20, 2017 02:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Remember this guy-->

Trump was busy, busy yesterday.

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Trump’s first meeting of the day had been his surprise welcome to his Presidential Advisory Commission on Election Integrity. You’ll recall that he promised to put that together after he made the ridiculous claim that Hillary Clinton hadn’t really won the popular vote because 3 million “illegals” had voted in California. It took a while but one of his biggest supporters, Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach, who has made vote suppression his life’s work, came on board and it’s finally up and running.

http://www.salon.com/2017/01/27/behind- trumps-bogus-investigation-of-voter-fraud-lies-the-gops-long-term-campaign-of-voter-suppression/
http://www.salon.com/2014/09/15/gops_new_partisan_hitman_you_may_not_know _kris_kobach_but_you_should/

http://www.salon.com/2017/07/20/donald-trumps-vote r-fraud-panel-is-all-about-his-insecurities-about-losing-the-popular-vote/

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Now lawsuits are rolling in from all over the country regarding the commission’s lack of transparency and violations of federal regulations and privacy laws. Kobach was served with a suit claiming that he’s illegally exploiting his position to promote his candidacy for governor of Kansas and is being investigated by the Kansas Supreme Court for ironically refusing to turn over documents to the court. Democratic lawmakers have sent an official notice requesting that Kobach be removed from the commission for violations of the Hatch Act and and the Federal Advisory Committee Act. All in all, it’s off to a terrific start.

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Trump: "If any state does not want to share this information, one has to wonder what they’re worried about. And I ask the vice president and I ask the commission: What are they worried about? There’s something. There always is.

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His real gripe is that he didn’t win the popular vote and is driven by some egomaniacal need to be able to at least create the possibility that he actually did. Kris Kobach went on MSNBC yesterday and gave an astonishing interview that surely pleased him:


KATY TUR (HOST): Do you believe Hillary Clinton won the popular vote by 3 to 5 million votes because of voter fraud?


KRIS KOBACH: We may never know the answer to that — we will probably never know the answer to that question, because even if you could prove that a certain number of votes were cast by ineligible voters, for example —


TUR: So, again, you think that maybe Hillary Clinton did not win the popular vote?


KOBACH: We may never know the answer to that question.


That’s an outrageous assertion. It is completely impossible that 3 million votes were cast illegally in 2016. In a world that makes sense he would have been fired immediately for casting such a shadow over the electoral results. There have been more than nine major investigations into alleged “voter fraud” and it just does not exist on even a small systematic scale much less something like what he’s suggesting.

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TUR: So were the votes for Donald Trump that led him to win the election in doubt as well?


KOBACH: Absolutely. If there are ineligible voters in an election, people who are noncitizens, people who are felons who shouldn’t be voting according to the laws of that state —


So Trump’s 77,000 vote Electoral College win is also in doubt? Oh my.

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But Trump needn’t worry. Kobach is a conservative extremist whose life’s work is preventing people from voting. That’s what this is about. Trump’s victory will never be questioned by him.

There is one slight mystery about all this, however. With all this talk of our electoral system being vulnerable to fraud the commission isn’t the least bit interested in the subject of Russian interference in the election. That seems odd.

Of course if the goal of the hacking was to create chaos sow the seeds of doubt about the integrity of our democracy the Russian government is probably wondering why they went to the trouble. Kris Kobach and his friends are doing a fine job of that all on their own. If he could manage to get all that voter information for them in one place that would be very helpful for future hacking. They’re pulling for his success if no one else is.


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posted July 20, 2017 02:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Preventing illegal aliens, the dead and felons from voting in American elections is the responsibility of every elected official...state and federal.

We know the leftist lunatic brigades are foursquare FOR illegal voting and anything else which disenfranchises legal US citizen voters.

Illegal alien voters
Felon voters
dead voters
multiple voters

are very important voting blocks for the far left lunatic democrat party. Which is the only possible reason they screech and howl about Voter Identification, screech and howl about cleaning the voter rolls of dead people and those who have moved out of states they were registered to vote in.

Have no fear...unless you're one of the leftist lunatic democrats, voter fraud is going to be rooted out of the American Electoral system.

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posted July 20, 2017 04:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Who could NOT BE in favor of free, fair, untainted by fraud, elections?

Only the lunatic leftists.

What are they trying so hard to hide from American voters?

Kobach: A Victory for Public Information
Kris W. Kobach
19 Jul 2017


On Tuesday, the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia and the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of Florida denied temporary restraining orders (TROs) sought by the ACLU, the Lawyers’ Committee for Civil Rights Under Law, and others. The plaintiffs were attempting to prevent the Presidential Commission on Election Integrity, of which I am Vice-Chair, from having its first meeting on Wednesday in Washington, D.C.

Fortunately, the federal judges rejected the TRO requests. In a well-reasoned, 24-page opinion, the District of Columbia federal judge explained why the plaintiffs’ claims that the meeting would violate federal law were unlikely to prevail.

On Wednesday, the Commission met and launched its fact-finding mission. President Trump himself addressed the Commission members, highlighting the importance of the Commission’s work.

The Commission is a bipartisan bodydedicated to collecting factual information and providing advice to the president about the integrity of the voting process and reporting that information to the American people. But the ACLU and the Lawyers’ Committee don’t want that information-gathering to begin. They, along with groups like Common Cause and the NAACP, have filed a total of seven lawsuits to thwart the Commission’s work.

The ACLU and allied groups on the Left have long used the tactic of litigation to achieve policies that they could not accomplish through the legislative process. But with this latest onslaught of lawsuits they have taken their litigation approach to a whole new level – they are attempting to prevent the president from receiving advice and prevent the American public from gaining information. They are literally trying to stop the Commission from doing its work.

What information are they so determined to keep under wraps? Facts that show the extent of voter fraud in this country. Among the facts presented at the first meeting was a list of 938 criminal convictions for election crimes, almost all after the year 2000. So much for the claim that voter fraud doesn’t exist.

This tactic of attempting to stop a commission through litigation is unusual. There were 28 presidential advisory commissions established under President Obama and 24 presidential advisory commissions under Bush. None were besieged by a flurry of lawsuits like this. And only a very small number faced any litigation at all.

For example, in 2013 President Obama formed the Presidential Commission on Election Administration to study lines at polling places and other issues. There were no lawsuits from conservative groups to stop the commission from doing its work. Indeed, I was a witness who provided evidence to that commission about how we kept wait times to a minimum in Kansas.

Although a few States like Kansas have done extensive research on voter fraud, most States have not. Never before has there been a nationwide effort to analyze voter fraud and other threats to election integrity. And the ACLU and the Lawyers’ Committee wants to do everything they can to make sure that no such analysis occurs.

Although the efforts to stop the first meeting of the Commission failed, part of the plaintiffs’ objective seems to be delay and distraction. And the lawsuits have already achieved that – delaying the preparatory work of the Commission and distracting the Commission staff from other duties. As the litigation continues, there may be additional delays.

Putting such roadblocks in the way of the Commission does a real disservice to the country. Maintaining the integrity and security of our elections is essential to the health of our political system. Long before presidential candidate Donald Trump came along, polls consistently showed that a majority of Americans do not believe elections are fair. A 2014 survey showed that only 40 percent of voters thought elections were fair to the voters. Ensuring that elections are not tainted by fraud is not a Republican or a Democratic concern, it is an American concern.

Like past commissions, the Presidential Commission on Election Integrity is a bipartisan group. It includes four sitting secretaries of state – two Republicans and two Democrats – as well as one former secretary of state. It also includes federal, state, and county officials who possess a wealth of experience in election law and the administration of elections.

This group of commissioners is highly qualified to fairly and dispassionately assess the information that is discovered. That information will be presented to the American people, shedding light on what has become a significant national debate. Fortunately, the judiciary has allowed the Commission to move forward. Let’s hope that the Commission can continue its work in the months ahead.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/07/19/kobach-a-victory-for-public-information/

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posted July 20, 2017 04:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nine investigations have found:

•In one of the most comprehensive investigations of fraud, Justin Levitt of Loyola Law School, Los Angeles turned up 31 credible instances of voter impersonation out of more than 1 billion votes cast between 2000 and 2014. Some of those cases may have been because of clerical errors. Levitt's investigation suggests that while voter impersonation does indeed happen, it happens so rarely that the rate is approximately one instance out of ever 32 million ballots cast. This is similar to the odds of getting “heads” 25 times in a row on a coin toss.

•A five-year voter fraud investigation conducted by the George W. Bush administration “turned up virtually no evidence” of organized fraud, in the words of the New York Times. While the investigation did yield 86 criminal convictions as of 2006, many of those appear to have been linked to people misunderstanding eligibility rules or filling out paperwork incorrectly.

•In 2014, a two-year investigation into voter fraud by Iowa's Republican secretary of state yielded 27 criminal charges, a number of which, again, were apparently related to mistakes or misunderstandings of voting rules.

There even have been research and investigations into voter fraud in the 2016 election. They come to similar conclusions:

•In December, a Washington Post analysis of news reports found four documented cases of voter fraud out of about 136 million votes cast. That would yield a voter fraud rate of one instance per every 34 million ballots, close to what Levitt's investigation turned up. Two of those fraud cases involved Trump voters trying to vote twice, one involved a Republican election judge trying to fill out a ballot on behalf of her dead husband, and the last involved a poll worker filling in bubbles for a mayoral candidate in absentee ballots in Florida.

•A team of Dartmouth researchers undertook a comprehensive statistical investigation of the 2016 results, looking for evidence of abnormal voting patterns. They checked for evidence of noncitizen voting, dead people voting and tampering by election officials. They didn't find any. “Our findings do strongly suggest, however, that voter fraud concerns fomented by the Trump campaign are not grounded in any observable features of the 2016 presidential election,” they concluded (emphasis theirs). “There is no evidence of millions of fraudulent votes.”

•Trump's assertion of widespread voter fraud contradicts statements by his campaign's lawyers, who stated unequivocally that “all available evidence suggests that the 2016 general election was not tainted by fraud or mistake.” The statement was made in a filing opposing Green Party candidate Jill Stein's recount efforts in Michigan.

•The National Association of Secretaries of State, which represents most of the nation's top election officials (most of whom happen to be Republican), released a statement Tuesday saying, “We are not aware of any evidence that supports the voter fraud claims made by President Trump.”

•In Kansas, the Republican secretary of state examined 84 million votes cast in 22 states to look for cases of duplicate registration. The project yielded 14 prosecutions, representing 0.000017 percent of the votes cast.

•In 2011, Wisconsin authorities charged 20 people with fraudulent voting in the 2008 elections. Most of these were felons who were ineligible to vote.

In general, there's also a whole mountain of academic research into voter fraud, which is largely in agreement that it's essentially a nonissue, and that isolated cases that may appear to be “fraud” are often attributable to mistakes, clerical errors or carelessness.


You are aware I have worked for years on this site to combat your constant, unwarranted allegations of rampant voter fraud.
Isn't it odd that only "leftist" or potentially left leaning voters are committing these rare occurrences?

Are there conservative felons out there voting too?
http://w ww.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/01/25/here-are-nine-major-investigations-on-voter-fraud-that-found-virtually-nothing/?tid=a_inl&utm_term=.08f8d07711fe

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