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teasel
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posted October 03, 2017 01:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
At least 559 people were mowed down by a psychopath with assault rifles, on Sunday. He had at least eighteen more at home. Also seemed to be planning to build a bomb.

Caleb Keeter, a musician, has always been in favour of guns, until Sunday night, when he could have been killed, and he witnessed mass murder happening. Someone was shot right next to them. He said that his security team had guns, but were just as helpless as everyone else.

Children were murdered in their school, five years ago. That should have been good enough to have much stricter rules around gun sales, but no. The NRA is basically another terrorist group at this point.

Never mind all of the school shootings, the idiots who shoot each other when drunk and arguing, the men who are violent with their wives and children, and use them in murder-suicides. I could go on.

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posted October 03, 2017 01:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Most supporters of powerful Guns in USA wake up only when he or she sees a loved one or a neighbor mowed down in front of them.
This should not be the case.
The 2nd Amendment never calls for mass murder machines. Technically, every American can own a Nuke or Ballistic by quoting 2nd Amendment.
Is that allowed? Why should any mass killing machine be allowed? Basic Pistols/Revolvers are sufficient for individual protection.

It is time for a very heavy Lawsuit against NRA. Their hands are soaked in Blood.
They have the temerity to ask for more deadly weapons. Had NRA had their way, Stephen Paddock would have killed 5000 easily by using silent, armor piercing, assault rifles.

Imagine the number of copycats who will emerge. Many deranged people play out their fear to overcome stress. Sometimes a mere group will become a trigger to start shooting.
That is what MK-Ultra was, a trigger program. 100s of 1000s are already sleepers, awaiting a trigger to kill.

America will turn into a mass graveyard if mass murder machines are permitted. Stop the madness right now. NRA should feel the outrage of every right thinking American.


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posted October 03, 2017 01:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
To the OP, you dare to call the NRA a terrorist organization--you who supports ANTIFA?

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posted October 03, 2017 01:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Randall:
To the OP, you dare to call the NRA a terrorist organization--you who supports ANTIFA?

As long as they're fighting Nazis, that the government seems to support. Your president calls football players kneeling peacefully, sons of ******* . White supremacists "good people on both sides". WTF. Take this to its own thread, and stop trying to derail.

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posted October 03, 2017 01:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by iQ:
Most supporters of powerful Guns in USA wake up only when he or she sees a loved one or a neighbor mowed down in front of them.
This should not be the case.
The 2nd Amendment never calls for mass murder machines. Technically, every American can own a Nuke or Ballistic by quoting 2nd Amendment.
Is that allowed? Why should any mass killing machine be allowed? Basic Pistols/Revolvers are sufficient for individual protection.

It is time for a very heavy Lawsuit against NRA. Their hands are soaked in Blood.
They have the temerity to ask for more deadly weapons. Had NRA had their way, Stephen Paddock would have killed 5000 easily by using silent, armor piercing, assault rifles.

Imagine the number of copycats who will emerge. Many deranged people play out their fear to overcome stress. Sometimes a mere group will become a trigger to start shooting.
That is what MK-Ultra was, a trigger program. 100s of 1000s are already sleepers, awaiting a trigger to kill.

America will turn into a mass graveyard if mass murder machines are permitted. Stop the madness right now. NRA should feel the outrage of every right thinking American.


Thank you, IQ. I agree with you.

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posted October 03, 2017 01:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
President Trump never said that. Every time you tell that false narrative, I am going to call you out on it. You support a real terrorist group, ANTIFA. The NRA supports and defends the Constitution. ANTIFA wants to overthrow it and the US government.

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posted October 03, 2017 01:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Take it to a different thread.

559 people mowed down, at least. Children murdered in their school. Some Americans are still, "ra ra Merka, ra ra guns!"

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posted October 03, 2017 02:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
All the deaths in tight gun control jurisdictions like Obama's home town and Hillary's birth place, Chicago, yet the left is still "ra ra gun control!"

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posted October 03, 2017 02:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So did Las Vegas gun laws and gun toters help one bit in this situation? NO. Had there been some law regulating guns indeed this might never have happened. Man was there for weeks.. His room presumably tended by housekeeping.. yet no alarm bells rang anywhere.

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posted October 03, 2017 02:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is being attributed toGloria Syeinem but she credited "the internet" when she posted it a couple of years ago

I want any young men who buy a gun to be treated like young women who seek an abortion. Think about it: a mandatory 48-hours waiting period, written permission from a parent or a judge, a note from a doctor proving that he understands what he is about to do, time spent watching a video on individual and mass murders, traveling hundreds of miles at his own expense to the nearest gun shop, and walking through protestors holding photos of loved ones killed by guns, protestor who call him a murderer.

After all, it makes more sense to do this for young men seeking guns than for young women seeking an abortion. No young woman needing reproductive freedom has ever murdered a roomful of strangers.

I would leave out the "young" in both cases...

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posted October 03, 2017 03:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh yes! Treat every gun buyer with the same

This is being attributed toGloria Syeinem but she credited "the internet" when she posted it a couple of years ago
I want any young men who buy a gun to be treated like young women who seek an abortion. Think about it: a mandatory 48-hours waiting period, written permission from a parent or a judge, a note from a doctor proving that he understands what he is about to do, time spent watching a video on individual and mass murders, traveling hundreds of miles at his own expense to the nearest gun shop, and walking through protestors holding photos of loved ones killed by guns, protestor who call him a murderer.

After all, it makes more sense to do this for young men seeking guns than for young women seeking an abortion. No young woman needing reproductive freedom has ever murdered a roomful of strangers.

I would leave out the "young" in both cases...

Indeed, take out the word young

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posted October 03, 2017 04:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Blind writer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You cannot legislate morality. In fact, it fosters bitterness among those who would otherwise not be bothered.

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posted October 03, 2017 04:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Guns are morality? And, yes indeed they can be legislated

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posted October 03, 2017 05:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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You cannot legislate morality. In fact, it fosters bitterness among those who would otherwise not be bothered.

In that case, why do the republicans insist on trying to ban things like abortion, and gay marriage?

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posted October 03, 2017 06:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Blind writer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Node, guns are only tools. It's people that kill; please don't confuse what I said. His guns were already illegal, and you can't make something illegal even more illegal than it already is. My point is that someone who is going to commit a crime doesn't care about the law to begin with, and no manner of regulation will change that.

Teasel, those are both things that government should stay out of, too. Just because I defend the right to purchase and own a gun doesn't mean I am pro-life or against gay marriage rights. I actually fall in the rainbow myself. My political views are moderate, and I agree with views on both sides of the aisle. I also have Libertarian leanings. I feel that individual liberties are paramount to the growth of our society, because your average person is inherently Good. Government needs to be pared back and stop trying to dictate how people live their lives. We have the capacity to self-correct most problems if it would just let us.

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posted October 03, 2017 06:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Node, guns are only tools. It's people that kill; please don't confuse what I said. His guns were already illegal, and you can't make something illegal even more illegal than it already is. My point is that someone who is going to commit a crime doesn't care about the law to begin with, and no manner of regulation will change that.

Somewhat true, with the caveat [that] it would certainly make more difficult the ability to obtain regulated and illegal firearms.

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posted October 03, 2017 11:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Somewhat true, with the caveat [that] it would certainly make more difficult the ability to obtain regulated and illegal firearms.

March right up to Rahm Emanuel in Chicago and tell him he should confiscate all the illegal guns from the out of control gang thugs in Chicago. On Obama's watch, there were 3900 murders in Chicago, mostly with illegal handguns in the hands of thug gang members.

Strangly...{don't you think}...I haven't heard a peep out of the gun grabbing leftist fraternity who want to disarm law abiding Americans. Oh wait, I know why. Rahm Emanuel is a far left loony tunes and exempt from any criticism from his fellow Socialist travelers.

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posted October 04, 2017 12:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And over 18,000 people shot. Where's the outrage when it's black on black violence?

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posted October 04, 2017 03:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for peony     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Node, guns are only tools. It's people that kill...

Yes, that's a common argument against gun control. But, I would argue it's an argument for gun control precisely because it's people that kill and the number of people being killed by people with guns in America. What kind of people are we, is it a healthy people that find this level of violence acceptable? How many people who advance this argument ask these questions?

I don't believe people who support the Second Amendment right think it's more important than human life, but that's the consequence flowing from that choice we've made collectively.

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His guns were already illegal...

"Stephen Paddock, the Las Vegas shooter, had an arsenal of 17 weapons in his hotel room, mostly military-style rifles, according to a law enforcement source.

At least one of them had been modified with a legal “bump stock” style device that allows the shooter to rapidly fire off rounds without actually converting it to a fully automatic weapon, the source said.

The devices modify the gun’s stock so that the recoil helps accelerate how quickly the shooter can pull the trigger. The devices are legal in the U.S."

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-las-vegas-shooting-li ve-updates-paddock-had-19-rifles-in-room-1506985512-htmlstory.html

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posted October 04, 2017 06:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Agree with Peony. The Terrorist used perfectly Legal Weapons. And all the Legal or Illegal Weapons in he World would have been useless when he had the elevation advantage plus element of surprise.

Suppose there had been a ban on Semi-Automatic Rifles and Automatic Modifiers. Suppose only Pistols are allowed for sale/carry in USA.

Then the maximum innocents he could have taken out would have been 3-4 before people took cover or dodged/ran.

Another thing: Every Vehicle and Bag has to be scanned before entry to any Hotel, Mall or Motel. This is standard practice in India, Pakistan, Bangladesh and Middle East.
Can be done easily in USA. People cooperate.

Do not spare the NRA anymore. Call for 100% ban on mass killing machines. Pistols/Revolvers are sufficient for the 2nd Amendment Rights. Those who want Machine Guns should just join the US Army.

And banning assault weapons has to reduce death rate in African American Gang Related Violence as well. Drastic reduction.

Copycat attacks will come sooner than later if Control of Mass Killing Machines is not done now. Let me remind all that more than 10000 MK-Ultra Sleepers could exist across USA. Only MK-Ultra can De-Humanize so much to kill without asking questions and without a shred of Empathy. Take away their weapons and they will keep sleeping.

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posted October 04, 2017 07:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
https://twitter.com/jimmykimmel

Impassioned Plea by Jimmy Kimmel.

Apparently 90% of Democrat Voters and 77% of Republican Voters support strict background checks and prevention of Gun Sales to Mentally Ill. 56 Senators voted against that.

And NRA fought to allow people on "No Fly Lists" to acquire Guns.

Thus, a Mentally Ill Violent Man who is not safe to be on a plane can buy dozens of Semi-Automatics thanks to NRA. After a couple of Youtube Videos, he will have dozens of Automatics so that he can shoot down dozens or even hundreds of innocent Americans during a sudden fit of Rage.

And NRA will Bribe the Senate for easier access to silencers, suppressors and Armor-Piercing bullets so that more and more innocent Americans can get gunned down at a faster pace.

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posted October 04, 2017 10:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for littlecountrystar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
as a black person who has lived in Chicago
i would like ya'll to keep black people and the business of Chicago out of ya'll mouths. TRYING TO FIND ALL THE THOUSANDS OF ILLEGAL HAND GUNS IN CHICAGO IS ONE THING(THEY ARE TRYING) BUT TRYING TO MAKE SURE A INDIVIDUAL DOESN'T HAVE ACCESS TO A FIRE ARM FOR REASONS THEY SHOULDN'T IS ANOTHER.
JUST TO LET YOU KNOW WE ARE MAD THERE IS OUTRAGE ABOUT THOSE LIVES LOST TO THOSE CRIMES. IT'S THERE PLEASE DON'T SAY IT'S NOT THERE.

but let's be honest the right loves to use BLACK ON BLACK CRIME AS A EXCUSE FOR SOMETHING.

IF YOU ARE GOING TO BRING IN RACE
HERE IT IS
MOST PEOPLE WHO COMMIT THESE MASS SHOOTS AND TERROR ATTACKS IN THE USA HAVE BEEN WHITE MALES. AND MOST OF THE TIME THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT COLOR OR AGE OR GENDER. IF THE TARGETS ARE FROM A CERTAIN GROUP IT IS A HATE CRIME AND A TERROR ATTACK, I.E. THE Charleston Church shooting.

I KNEW THE RIGHT DIDN'T GIVE A CARE ABOUT PEOPLE LIVES AND TO HAVE STRICTER GUN LAWS WHEN SANDY HOOK HAPPEN. THEY DIDN'T CARE WHEN BABIES DIED
AND THEY DON'T CARE NOW
IT'S ALWAYS COMES BACK TO BLACK PEOPLE AND BLACK ON BLACK CRIMES OR IF HE, WHITE "LONE WOLF"TERRORIST WAS MENTALLY ILL.(THERE ARE MILLIONS OF MENTAL ILL PEOPLE WHO DON'T GO OUT AND SHOOT PEOPLE) AND IF HE IS SO MENTAL ILL WHY DID HE HAVE THE CHANCE TO GO BUY A GUN(RIFLES AND WHAT NOT) OR MY FAVORITE THE 2ND AMENDMENT!

BUT YOU KNOW WHAT
PEOPLE ARE CRAZY FOR WANTING TO BE ABLE TO ENJOY LIFE WITHOUT SOMEONE PLAYING RUSSIAN ROULETTE WITH THEIR LIVES BECAUSE SOME ****** OFF WHITE GUY HAS HAD ENOUGH

p.S. donald trump did call BLACK MEN kneeling in protest of the unlawful killings of BLACK MEN & BOYS(WOMEN TOO BUT YOU HARDLY HEAR ABOUT THEM ON THE NEWS) Son of B****s. he truly did. BUT you know what hear what you want to hear.

YOU CAN RESPOND IF YOU WANT I AIN'T COMING BACK IN HERE. AIN'T NO POINT IN ARGUING ABOUT THIS CAUSE A BUMP ON A LOG AIN'T GONNA MOVE.

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posted October 04, 2017 11:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^^ exactly.

We never get to hear about "white on white" violence. I've only ever had trouble with white men. No black men, or Hispanics. A white mad strangled me. Another one raped a family member. Etc, etc.

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posted October 04, 2017 01:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Littlecountrystar
Hi Teasel

AND

Evil is evil.

Insanity is its OWN separate category, belonging to CRIME.

There needs to be more differentiation in use of psychological jargon-language. What once was reserved for TRAINED professionals, are labels being casually thrown around for a number of decades now.

EVIL is not a 'mental health' diagnosis.

It belongs to Criminality.

Criminality is MUCH too "casually" and commonly being thrown into that "mental"-health bin.

Evil does Evil, and KNOWS it, and there is nothing 'mental' about it--- WE are the ones who called it that. It is a COMPLETE Revealed-NORMAL for them. There's nothing 'mental' about it.

I hope in the future that this kind of automatic-thinking and speaking is examined and reformed.


Many people (cultures) are sensitive-people who emote -- others react to stress by turning into numb-cold NON-emotional robots.

We have been being pummeled by extreme-NEWS proliferating. Individually, some sustained these losses more 'personally' related to the events we hear watch or read about.

We are HUMANS, and there are limits to what the human being can sustain (as an individual, or group) before tells of breaking-down start to occur.

Everyone's psyche is affected right now-- unless you live in a totally protected bubble-world. ...

I was going to say "protected off-the-grid"... as, in the 'woods' or living on a private 'island' or mountain?? But right now, those Woods are burning down {fires}, and the various Islands are devastated with flooding, and some 'Mountains' are now newly-activated sleeper-Volcanos about to blow and wipe life around them out!! {Bali, Indonesia}


With guns....
I need to read and consider items in this thread, before commenting.

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A reminder to everyone :
While this is a more tolerant forum for political opinions, news and bias`s , we still can not post bashing of any race, religion or gender.
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