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posted November 10, 2017 01:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The differences in the two Bills are NUMERICAL, not based on principle. So, they will hammer it out the way legislation is supposed to be done. It will be signed by President Trump in December and take effect in 2018. It will herald in an era of prosperity like this country has never seen before, with 25,000 being the new 20,000 DOW, an influx of investment in this country, millions of new jobs, and trillions in new wealth. The only thing I want to see in the final Bill is a repeal of the Obamacare mandates (which ARE taxes).

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posted November 10, 2017 02:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And the odds you mentioned? Where are they?

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posted November 10, 2017 02:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's not rocket science. It should be easy to deduce.

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posted November 10, 2017 06:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Randall your continued insistence that this is a tax- proves your faulty critical thinking powers. The mandate insures that healthy people are in the pool, thus lowering costs for all. Is this a TAX? god forbid we use that word to the rabid.

You have been suckered, and you are most proud because of that.

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posted November 10, 2017 06:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm disappointed in you. The way the SCOTUS saved this catastrophe was that the mandate was ruled to be a tax, so eloquently (NOT) opinioned by Justice Roberts. That's why the IRS collects it. Glad I could educate you. You're welcome.

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posted November 10, 2017 07:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Glad you are still missing the point.

Also, very happy to educate ~you.

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posted November 10, 2017 07:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
rocket science has nothing to do with it and your scorn doesn't answer the question ..

Your title is about odds, your post fails to mention them. You appear to think its wrapped up. however the blow by blow shows significant problems and disagreements.

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posted November 10, 2017 07:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We all know how the mandate is supposed to force young healthy people to buy what they don't want to pay for the redistribution of wealth. This BS is no striking revelation.

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posted November 10, 2017 07:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
When you're talking taxes you're talking NUMBERS. The idea that this is just a small hurdle ignores the fact that taxes are there to pay for things.. therefore affect the budget, the deficit, and the debt.

If you build a building without an accurately calculated foundation, your building won't stand. Considering the reputation the Prez brags on this should be elementary.

Many in Congress seem unconvinced that the numbers add up in any viable way

So the odds are far from locked in

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posted November 10, 2017 08:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wrong. The majority agree in principle.

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posted November 10, 2017 08:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In fact, tax reform will more than balance the deficit.

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posted November 10, 2017 09:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Right. Because all those multinationals are going to rush home to pay taxes

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posted November 10, 2017 09:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No, because deep blue states will pay $1.3 rillion by eliminating that deduction (the deficit is $666 billion). But yes, repatriation will be a huge boon.

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posted November 10, 2017 10:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What deduction?

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posted November 10, 2017 11:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Do you not watch any news? State and local taxes.

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posted November 11, 2017 03:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Whether i watch any news or not, Randall, does not clarify a totally generic reference to A deduction. That money is coming out of the hides of the middle class not the states, who still collect the taxes.. and "deep blue" California already contributes more to the federal pot than it receives from it

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posted November 11, 2017 07:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The two versions of the tax plans are simple. There's nothing else it could have been. CA doesn't even want to be a part of the US.

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posted November 11, 2017 10:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You are so brainwashed. Sorry but you will believe anything if Fox and the slogan machine tell you its so.

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posted November 11, 2017 02:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Not so very simple and plenty of deductions that help thr middle class survive/raise kids/better themselves are going out the window

http://www.forbes.com/sites/anthonyni tti/2017/11/02/the-house-tax-bill-six-popular-breaks-you-didnt-realize-youll-be-losing/#42c61ad05453

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posted November 11, 2017 03:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted November 12, 2017 10:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
leftist loons are still squawking about tax cuts for the rich.

Hey leftists, get a clue. No one can pay less taxes than ZERO. ZERO is the amount of federal income taxes paid by 45% of American citizens. They've already had their tax cuts.

Who’ll Be Crying in Their Beer?
Debra J. Saunders
November 12, 2017

White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders found a clever way to combine two passions — tweaking reporters and supporting big tax cuts — during a recent press briefing.

She laid out a scenario in which 10 reporters had a beer together every day and paid the $100 tab under a mechanism akin to the federal income tax system. Four reporters paid nothing, while the highest-paid journalist kicked in $59. When the bar proprietor decided to cut prices and the scribes calculated how to spread the savings, the highest-paid reporter enjoyed a $10 windfall, the other five journos enjoyed smaller savings, and the four who drank free gained nothing.

“Why should he get $10 back?” nine reporters complained, because they saved far less, or nothing at all.

Sanders’ cautionary tale had laid out how any tax cut should be expected to benefit the wealthy the most because affluent people pay the most taxes. The night after the rest of the pack complained, the top-paid journalist didn’t show, and the remaining nine could not afford their brews.

In 2014, the right-leaning Tax Foundation calculated, the top 1 percent of earners paid 39.5 percent of personal federal income taxes.

According to the left-leaning Tax Policy Center, 45 percent of tax filers pay no federal income tax.

The Senate released its Tax Cuts and Jobs Act late Thursday, which analysts are busy comparing to the companion House bill. But the crux of the opposition essentially is the same for both bills, and it mirrors the nine journalists’ lament in Sanders’ allegory: People who pay more taxes will get a bigger break than those who pay less or nothing.

Thus Senate Democratic Leader Chuck Schumer described the Senate measure as a vehicle “grounded in tax cuts for big corporations and the very rich.” Schumer said, “They actually hurt middle-class people because they need to give those big breaks for the wealthiest.”

Both the House and Senate bills would reduce the U.S. corporate tax rate from 35 percent to 20 percent to take away the tax disadvantage of doing business in the United States. The average corporate tax rate in the Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development is 24.1 percent.

The House bill would cut corporate taxes starting next year. The Senate bill would delay the corporate tax cut until 2019 in an effort to limit the measure’s contribution to the national debt to $1.5 trillion over 10 years.

Tom Campbell, a former GOP congressman who teaches law and economics at Chapman University, chided Schumer for talking about wealthy corporations “as a pejorative.” Those companies, said Campbell, hire American workers and pay U.S. taxes.

Tax Foundation senior policy analyst Jared Walczak acknowledged that both the Senate and House tax bills would present a boon for wealthy families, as they invest their assets in the U.S. marketplace. Then again, he said, those cuts are likely to improve economic growth in the United States, and thus boost wages.

When it comes to treatment of personal income taxes, however, Walczak said the GOP plans truly “are focused on middle-class tax relief.”

Campbell agreed. He credited one big-ticket item — doubling the standard personal deduction to $24,000 for a household.

Credit President Donald Trump for signaling to Capitol Hill that he wanted a bill that focused on creating jobs and cutting taxes for the middle class.

(The House plan would bump up the bottom tax rate from 10 percent to 12 percent, but the raised standard deduction and child tax credits should spare most families. When Senate Democrats claimed that most families earning less than $86,000 would see their taxes go up under the House plan, the Washington Post fact checker gave that claim four Pinocchios — a rating reserved for “whoppers.”)

On personal income taxes, neither the House measure nor the Senate measure is written to favor the highest earners. The House version doesn’t lower the 39.6 percent rate on top earners — and even proposes a “bubble rate” for top earners. That would be a tax hike on people who already pay the highest tax rate.

The Senate plan reduces the top rate by a little over 1 point, to 38.5 percent, but its elimination of key deductions is expected to erode or overtake those savings.

Campbell criticized the cuts (in the House bill) or elimination (Senate bill) of state and local tax deductions, as well as the House proposal to limit interest deductions to $500,000 principal. Those proposals would hurt people who work in or own moderately priced homes in states such as California, New York, and New Jersey. Wealthy residents also would get dinged.

The Tax Foundation estimated that if the Senate bill were to pass, it would create 8,316 jobs in Nevada and increase average after-tax household income by $2,439 over 10 years.

Both plans propose to reduce estate-tax revenue by doubling the amount exempt from taxation to $10 million. Campbell argued that this is wrong because too few households would benefit from that change. The House bill goes even further — by pledging to eliminate the tax in six years. But on income taxes, the focus is on the middle class.

On Fox Business News, anchors are grousing about a tax hike for top earners. “Looks like Republicans wrote the business side, but it sure seems like Democrats wrote the new rules for individuals,” anchor Stuart Varney argued.

That doesn’t mean that some top earners won’t net more dollars than middle-class households, and Sanders explained why.
http://spectator.org/wholl-be-crying-in-their-beer/

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posted November 12, 2017 01:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Any tax cut for the Middle Class is excellent and necessary. But pointless to cut Estate Taxes or give too any cuts to the rich because they do not create job with the savings, they just send that stash abroad.. Just getting back the "Black Money" stashed by US Corporations in Tax Havens is enough to handle the Deficit.

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posted December 02, 2017 08:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And 70% don't itemize, so their taxes will automatically go down. To answer the question in the title of this thread: 100 percent!

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posted December 02, 2017 08:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Any tax cut for the Middle Class is excellent and necessary. But pointless to cut Estate Taxes"

Yeah, right, got it.

You leftists have to save the Third Plank of the Communist Manifesto. Marx would be proud of you.

3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.

Another Marxian attack on private property rights is in the form of Federal & State estate taxes and other inheritance taxes, which have abolished or at least greatly diluted the right of private property owners to determine the disposition and distribution of their estates upon their death. Instead, government bureaucrats get their greedy hands involved.

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posted December 12, 2017 05:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
People just parrot what the left gives to them without even knowing that they are Marxists.

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