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jwhop
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posted May 05, 2018 09:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Since none of our little Marxist Communist Socialist Progressives will admit they are, it was left to me to usher in Karl Marx Day here.

Yes, the bumbling, bungling, brain dead 5th rate thinker from the 19th Century would be 200 today...May Day, May 5th.

The Marxist Messiah, Obama is observing a day of study, fasting and prayer in honor of his icon, Karl Marx, curled up with his copy of The Communist Manifesto.

May 5, 2018
Karl Marx at 200: His Lethal Legacy Lingers
Edward Hudgins

In his name, over 100 million people were murdered. May 5, 2018 marks Karl Marx's 200th birthday, and his profound errors still smolder and threaten new conflagrations.............
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2018/05/karl_marx_at_200_his_lethal_legacy_lingers.html

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posted May 06, 2018 11:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Michael Moore was praising him.

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posted May 06, 2018 12:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Michael Moore was praising him.

Moore is exactly the kind of brain dead moron who would praise Marx.

Others though have it right about Marx and Marxism.

"But Marxist dialectic was never about logic. It’s about anti-logic: the kind, you might almost say, that collapses under the weight of its own contradictions. It’s about ignoring the obvious truth, for example, that if a troublesome intellectual like Marx had had to live under any of the totalitarian regimes he inspired — Stalin’s Soviet Union, Mao’s China, Pol Pot’s Cambodia, etc — he would quickly have found himself dead in a ditch with a bullet in the back of his head, or, at best, in a mental institution."
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/05/05/delingpole-happy-birthday-karl-marx-not/

The notion Marxist Communist Socialist Progressives are going to start their revolution tickles me.

They are totally ignorant of the fact they'll either be killed in the revolution or killed after the revolution...if it's successful because the one thing Communist governments can't abide is a bunch of bellyaching blowhards whining, screeching and shrieking about their.... "rights".

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posted May 06, 2018 11:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Communist Antifa Members Burn Effigy of President Trump
Adelle Nazarian
6 May 2018


Members of the Los Angeles cell of the Red Guards, an “Antifa” group, hung an effigy of President Donald Trump during their May Day celebrations and protests in Boyle Heights last week, and called for a violent revolution against the “capitalist state.”
The news was first reported by Far Left Watch and was picked up by other news outlets, including the Drudge Report and PJ Media.

According to pictures from one source, some of the protesters set fire to the Trump effigy.

“We must carry out military actions against the enemies of the people!” the Red Guard wrote in a published speech about the protests they held on May 1 to their blog. “We must steel ourselves in the fire of class struggle everywhere it is in its sharpest stages – such as production and housing.”

They added, “Police presence was astonishing with dozens of cruisers on the streets surrounding the march-bloc, helicopters overhead and California Highway Patrol blocking freeway offramps. Pigs in riot gear and in formation were salivating for a confrontation, but remained still and confused like stupid dogs.”

May Day protests were reportedly observed and attended by hundreds of thousands of leftists throughout the world to advocate for social justice causes, celebrate communism, and call for a “living wage,” among other things. The day is also referred to as “International Workers’ Day.”

In their speech, the group also spoke about its commitment to standing in solidarity with the principally Maoist collectives who are working towards the creation of a Maoist party.

Activists also called for “military actions” against non-communists, whom they referred to as enemies, and outlined their task clearly: “[O]nly through revolutionary violence can the masses create real political power!”

Protests in France, Turkey, and Puerto Rico reportedly turned violent, while protestors in the United States called for violence.
http://www.breitbart.com/california/2018/05/06/communist-antifa-members-hang-burn-effigy-of-president-trump-during-may-day-protests/

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posted May 08, 2018 02:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pire     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
At the time of Marx, people had no days off, no pay if sick, no holidays obviously, and worked until they died, or lived off their children...

All Marx said was that the worker who give their work force should be better considered by the capital, and that the capital without them was nothing.

Don't you agree ?

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posted May 08, 2018 01:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"At the time of Marx, people had no days off, no pay if sick, no holidaysobviously, and worked until they died, or lived off their children..."

You are so full of crap it's turned your blue eyes brown.

Americans work more hours annually than Europeans did during the pre-industrial times of the 5th rate thinker Karl Marx.

Not much you say can be trusted to be true.

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posted May 08, 2018 02:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by jwhop:
"[b]At the time of Marx, people had no days off, no pay if sick, no holidaysobviously, and worked until they died, or lived off their children..."

You are so full of crap it's turned your blue eyes brown.

Americans work more hours annually than Europeans did during the pre-industrial times of the 5th rate thinker Karl Marx.

Not much you say can be trusted to be true.[/B]


Wow, so rude.

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posted May 08, 2018 03:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by teasel:
Wow, so rude.

Lying is the ultimate rudeness!

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posted May 09, 2018 03:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A Further Perspective
The Karl Marx Legacy
Herbert London
May 8, 2018

Even he at some point didn’t want to be a Marxist.

The bicentennial anniversary of Karl Marx on May 5 came and went. This marginal thinker who became a curious voice of the disenchanted has haunted the globe with puerile economic analysis that a class of people has embraced as its own.

Curiously Marxism is a plagiarized version of early Christian doctrine relying on antipathy to usury; and a belief in historical determinism. The so-called class struggle was a function of widespread discontent evident throughout the European continent during the 1848 “summer of discontent.” Even Marx himself lost confidence in the ideas and their popularity, by noting in Das Kapital, “Je ne suis pas un Marxist.”

Yet these ideas have an appeal that crossed borders and cultures. From China to Cuba the Communist party reigns ripping through the cultures and creating an elite status for party leaders. As Lenin supposedly said, you cannot have an omelet without breaking eggs. The problem, of course, is that the eggs are broken, but the omelet remains a figment of the imagination.

For Marx, capitalism is one stage of history to be replaced through historical materialism and the dialectic till it reaches its ultimate state, communism. According to Marx, capitalists are compelled to engage in competitive acts, but the productive forces unleased by competitive acts ultimately undermine the system they were designed to bolster.

Why then would so many worldwide read Marx as the Bible of the Working Class? In my judgment Marx provides simple answers for complex questions. From a psychological point of view, Marx has cut the metaphorical chains of control. The bourgeoisie of capitalism must recognize the extent to which working people are exploited. Marxists turn the world on its head — from the exploitation of the worker through the owners of production to the Party leaders who cannot countenance any opposition, including workers themselves.

This very belief that Communist Party officials are endowed with a unique understanding based on their having imbibed Marxist principles has led directly to the killing fields in Pol Pot’s Cambodia and atrocities of a similar nature across the globe.

But even in benign situations, Marxism has failed. The typical employee may engage in invidious comparisons with the worker immediately above him, but rarely does he express anger at Jeff Bezos or Bill Gates. In fact, Marxism defies the basic characteristics of human nature. People unrestrained by the devolution of providential will Marxism promotes, confuse individualism and narcissism. Those in thralldom to Marx are no longer centered in a universe God created. They are set free unanchored in a turbulent sea. As Dostoyevsky noted, “if there isn’t a God anything is possible.” Alas, that is what characterizes the present human condition: people without meaning in their lives, superficial sensate pleasures, and an isolation bordering on fear. In the advanced stage of socialism property (read: possessions) can be confiscated, yet another bizarre condition that defies instinctive reality. The state owns everything and the individual owns nothing, but devotion to the state.

Marx needs a lot to assuage his guilt. He may not have killed directly, but his heirs have. From Lenin, to Stalin to Mussolini, and Hitler, Marx is the ghost in their economic plans. Curiously school children still study Marx, with 44 percent of youthful Americans claiming they are devotees of this philosophy. I would describe this phenomenon as trained incapacity. Elites buying the rope that will be used to hang themselves (to misquote Lenin).

The statues of Marx have not been toppled in Peking or Moscow, but my suspicion is those who have lived with Marx do not want to die with him. It is one thing to live comfortably in a well-protected United States, where Bernie Sanders is a kind of Dutch Uncle , and Moscow where private property can be confiscated based on the whim of the Supreme Leader or party officials.

I assume Marx rests in his grave oblivious to the crimes he instituted, but the world will not soon forget what his real legacy is. From a Churchillian perspective capitalism offers inequality as Marx predicted, while Marxism offers equality; but it is an equality of misery.
http://spectator.org/the-karl-marx-legacy/

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posted May 09, 2018 03:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
At the time of Marx, people had no days off, no pay if sick, no holidaysobviously, and worked until they died, or lived off their children..."

...

Americans work more hours annually than Europeans did during the pre-industrial times of the 5th rate thinker Karl Marx.

Both these statements are true. Though not all labour movements can be rightly called Marxist. in preindustrial times most people did not work into the night. They did not spend hours daily getting to and fron work. They did not produce nearly as much in an hour of work either without machines and mass production.

Not did they have any fallback when ill, infirm or old.

Oh and the bit about unnecessary rudeness was true too

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posted May 09, 2018 05:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"people had no days off, no holidays"

That is simply NOT TRUE!

"Consider a typical working day in the medieval period. It stretched from dawn to dusk (sixteen hours in summer and eight in winter), but, as the Bishop Pilkington has noted, work was intermittent - called to a halt for breakfast, lunch, the customary afternoon nap, and dinner. Depending on time and place, there were also midmorning and midafternoon refreshment breaks. These rest periods were the traditional rights of laborers, which they enjoyed even during peak harvest times. During slack periods, which accounted for a large part of the year, adherence to regular working hours was not usual."

"The contrast between capitalist and precapitalist work patterns is most striking in respect to the working year. The medieval calendar was filled with holidays. Official -- that is, church -- holidays included not only long "vacations" at Christmas, Easter, and midsummer but also numerous saints' andrest days. These were spent both in sober churchgoing and in feasting, drinking and merrymaking. In addition to official celebrations, there were often weeks' worth of ales -- to mark important life events (bride ales or wake ales) as well as less momentous occasions (scot ale, lamb ale, and hock ale). All told, holiday leisure time in medieval England took up probably about one-third of the year. And the English were apparently working harder than their neighbors. The ancien règime in France is reported to have guaranteed fifty-two Sundays, ninety rest days, and thirty-eight holidays. In Spain, travelers noted that holidays totaled five months per year."[5]

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posted May 30, 2018 06:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I bet Obama bought a cake.

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posted May 31, 2018 03:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Randall:
I bet Obama bought a cake.

Probably put 200 candles on it too!

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posted May 31, 2018 10:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

And he ate ice cream on Memorial Day and posted it on his Twitter, so I'm sure his Communist Cake was a la mode.

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posted June 01, 2018 03:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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And he ate ice cream on Memorial Day and posted it on his Twitter, so I'm sure his Communist Cake was a la mode.


Communist Cake A La Mold.

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posted June 01, 2018 05:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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posted June 30, 2018 06:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Its hilarious how your argument avoids the actual history jwhop. Medieval/preindustrial/ precapitalist society had nothing to do with Marx. He was reacting to industrial/ capitalist conditions, not feudal days.

Marx's life was entirely within the span of the industrial period. Which began decades before his birth.

That is why your statements about medieval work patterns are true.. but they are totally irrelevant.

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posted June 30, 2018 07:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You seem to have forgotten all about this post...by pire.

"At the time of Marx, people had no days off, no pay if sick, no holidays obviously, and worked until they died, or lived off their children..."

Obviously NOT TRUE!

1840 - Average worker, U.K.: 3105-3588 hours

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posted July 01, 2018 12:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And you seem to have forgotten that this was your definitive condescending answe. Backed up by a scholarly flourish about all the festivals medieval workers enjoyed.

Americans work more hours annually than Europeans did during the pre-industrial times of the 5th rate thinker Karl Marx.

So the average worker only worked an 8-10 hour day in 1840 ..365 days a year. Average. And had no security of employment or wages, no sick pay and no benefits. But you want to argue that medieval workers lived the life of Riley.. It's still nonsense.


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posted July 01, 2018 01:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Many Americans today work 8-10 hours a day. 60 hour work weeks are not at all uncommon.

The Obama devastation of the American economy saw millions of Americans lose their jobs, their employment benefits and their health insurance.

So, are you calling for a Marxist Revolution in America?

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posted July 01, 2018 02:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Maybe many Americans do.. but we were talking AVERAGE workers and working hours
http://www.fool.com/careers/2017/12/17/heres-how-many-hours-the-average-american-works-pe.aspx

This one actually compares us to some of those so-called socialist gulags you like to soapbox about:
http://www.businessinsider.com/average-annual-hours-worked-for-americans-vs-the-rest-of-the-world-2013-8

And despite your insistence I've never advocated for Marxism. Like the idyllic life of workers in Marx's pre-industrial era.. it's all in your cobwebs

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posted July 01, 2018 04:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"And despite your insistence I've never advocated for Marxism"

Huh! You've defended the actions of every Marxist who came down the pike...including your little Marxist Messiah, Obama.

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posted July 18, 2018 11:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Your definition of marxist is ludicrously wide. And you had to go back to medieval times to try to prove Marx wrong. False equivalence doesn't begin to describe it. This article agrees with your statement about hours and vacations in medieval times.. but points out the same as I did.. with the industrial age and light bulbs came the work-round-the-clock and round the year "ethic" that didn't exist in times of seasonal, daylight labour.

So as I originally said, teasel's claim was true and so, partially, was yours.. but only because you left out a century between the time you were talking about and the appearance of Marx.

And now we are heading back to the Industrial "work ethic" to the detriment of workers and the economy.
http://www.businessinsider.com/american-worker-less-vacation-medieval-peasant-2016-11

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