posted July 16, 2018 12:54 PM            

Should Putin's declaration be given higher priority than American Investigative Agencies ?

Either way there are huge consequences. For instance, Iran can now rubbish any and every charge from any US Agency. AL-Qaeda and Taliban can also declare innocence any moment by calling CIA and FBI reports as "Fake News".

On the other hand, GOP would have to be heavily compromised to not criticize Putin after extremely detailed indictments with clear cut evidence against Russian Officers has been provided by the Mueller Commission.

Putin wants US Courts to decide everything, not Investigative Agencies. If 5 judges are subservient to Trump, can any ruling against Putin's interest ever be allowed?

Like him or hate him, today Vladimir Putin, IMHO, has won Cold War 2.0

posted July 16, 2018 02:08 PM            

There is no moral equivalence between the United States and Russia, which remains hostile to our most basic values and ideals," he said, adding that there was "no question" Moscow had interfered in the 2016 election.

"The United States must be focused on holding Russia accountable and putting an end to its vile attacks on democracy

Others have said likewise but I haven't heard what the general opinion is
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-44852812

So are we to assume that Donny trusts Vlad to come to his aid if the country comes out in rejection of him? Since Putin's mere word is worth more than the investigations of his own people? Are we now running by rule of Our Leader's Intuition? Or will we alter the constitution to meet his and Putins demands?

posted July 16, 2018 02:53 PM            

Remember? Those intelligence agencies insisted they were 17 in number who with a great deal of confidence concluded Russia had meddled in our 2016 election. That was an outright LIE. There were only 2 and one other which did not have great confidence in that finding.

"Either way there are huge consequences. For instance, Iran can now rubbish any and every charge from any US Agency. AL-Qaeda and Taliban can also declare innocence any moment by calling CIA and FBI reports as "Fake News"."

So what? No rational person would believe a word coming out the mullah's mouths or from al Qaeda or the Taliban. Nothing they say is going to change the way President Trump deals with them, no one iota.

"On the other hand, GOP would have to be heavily compromised to not criticize Putin after extremely detailed indictments with clear cut evidence against Russian Officers has been provided by the Mueller Commission."

I like it when leftist lunatics quote findings for which not one bit of proof has been provided. Those little parrots, leftists. Hello "clear cut evidence".

"Putin wants US Courts to decide everything, not Investigative Agencies. If 5 judges are subservient to Trump, can any ruling against Putin's interest ever be allowed?"

Investigators don't decide a damned thing, not in the United States. Courts DO, that's their function!

Now, to the heads of those 2 intelligence agencies. One led by James Clapper and one led by John Brennen. Both of those as$clowns are colossal liars. Both lied...under oath to Congressional investigating committees.
Both are Hillary The Corrupt supporters who engaged in the phony Russia collusion hot steaming mess to derail Trump.

Now, to Putin, who offered Mueller the opportunity to be present when those 12 so called Russian agents whom Mueller just indicted were questioned by Russian investigators. Putin would probably go much further and allow Mueller's investigators to participate in the questioning.

Mueller's response to that offer:

Deafening silence!

And finally, no one really knows who hacked the Hillary campaign or the DNC server(s). They don't really know because neither the FBI or the DOJ ever got possession of those computers and servers for a forensic examination. Hillary The Corrupt and the DNC refused FBI access and those crash dummy intellects at the DOJ and FBI apparently never heard of a COURT ORDER. A task that would have taken them a hour to find a judge to sign the Order.

posted July 16, 2018 03:02 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
I saw someone on Fox news call what he did "disgusting". Others are calling it treason. He is foul, and corrupt, and so on. But jwhop here will continue to defend him, no matter what.

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Show me the proof. Show me the beef.

Until Mueller and the so called intelligence agencies trot out some proof to go with their hysterical rhetoric, I remain a skeptic. Those people have a long, long, long history of lying. Let's see the proof.

posted July 16, 2018 06:11 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
Aw, a little red in the face there, jwhop.

OfPutin has given our country away.

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Idiocy on display!

posted July 17, 2018 08:24 AM            

Look behind the mask and see the deceit and collusion ...finally, his own party seeing him for the ugly skeletal soul he is.

@Cat, Ryan is cutting and running because he don`t want the deceitful stink to cling to him. I believe Ryan , at least, has a soul.

posted July 17, 2018 12:45 PM            

Looks like Don the Con is trying to prove that some people will swallow anything he does.. just as he bragged in his campaign. To him it's still all about ratings and the circus.

It doesn't help that many Dems are jumping in with hyperbole but i think enough people are walking up to the need for some balance in our govt.. and many patriots are up in arms against dissing his own people and allies in favor of Vlad that things will get interesting in congress.

Personally I agree that better working relationships with Russia would be a good thing.. but not by giving them everything they want and threatening our allies.

posted July 17, 2018 02:04 PM            

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Originally posted by juniperb:
While the hacking is a deep cause of concern, I think the Don`s treason-ish behavior of sucking up to Putin was a slap in the American peoples face.

Look behind the mask and see the deceit and collusion ...finally, his own party seeing him for the ugly skeletal soul he is.

@Cat, Ryan is cutting and running because he don`t want the deceitful stink to cling to him. I believe Ryan , at least, has a soul.

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I don't believe that he does, anymore. He just didn't want to be caught up in the trouble, because he has no spine, and doesn't seem to be about to do anything about rump. they're all just cutting and running, not DOING anything.

posted July 17, 2018 02:20 PM            

I think many staunch conservatives are cutting and running because the shame and extremes the alt right are forcing on them.

Ryan, for example, could do much for the republican party but his and others hands are tied by the potus and his self serving agenda

posted July 17, 2018 03:37 PM            

A wide streak of insanity in that statement.
I keep hearing and reading that blatant, idiotic horseshiite that Trump gave Putin everything he wanted.

Trump gave Russia..NOTHING, NOTHING, NOTHING

Did Trump remove the sanctions he imposed against Russia?
NO

Did Trump reinstate the 200 Russian government personnel he booted out?
NO

Did Trump reopen the Russian facilities he closed down when he booted Russian government personnel?
NO

Did Trump withdraw troops from Syria?
No

Did Trump promise to reinstitute the idiotic nuke deal with Iran?
NO

Did Trump promise to leave Putin's little madman, Kim Jong Un alone to develop nukes and intercontinental ballistic missiles?
NO

Did Trump take back the offensive weapons given to Ukraine?
NO

Did Trump promise to not interfere in Russia's gas pipeline to Germany?
NO

Did Trump promise to close down ANWAR and shut down the XL Pipeline?
NO

Did Trump promise to not interfere in the annexation of Crimea?
NO

posted July 17, 2018 04:02 PM            

He gave Putin Moral Equivalence to USA on the Global Stage after calling EU his foes, and after gas-lighting Teresa May.

He gave Putin the opportunity to show who is the "Boss" when Putin came one hour late.

He insulted American Intelligence Agencies and a rival candidate to give credibility to Putin, and exonerated Putin of the Hacking Crimes.

He has given Putin a Psychological Hold on Baltic States and Ukraine by not condemning the Crimean Annexation.

posted July 17, 2018 05:26 PM            

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Originally posted by iQ:
Trump handed his A*S on a platter to Putin for 2 hours, ALONE. And now now very sheepishly claims he "misspoke".

He gave Putin Moral Equivalence to USA on the Global Stage after calling EU his foes, and after gas-lighting Teresa May.

He gave Putin the opportunity to show who is the "Boss" when Putin came one hour late.

He insulted American Intelligence Agencies and a rival candidate to give credibility to Putin, and exonerated Putin of the Hacking Crimes.

He has given Putin a Psychological Hold on Baltic States and Ukraine by not condemning the Crimean Annexation.

Other concessions and deals will be seen in the next 2-3 weeks. Trump is the gift that keeps on giving to Putin.

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yep. Shame!!

posted July 17, 2018 05:29 PM            

That is not the beef here. IQ put it well and that is what the dons supporters need to dig deep and refute.

posted July 17, 2018 05:34 PM            

Deafening silence

I wonder why you are so keen to bury our people.. and show how fair Putin really is (as if you know him).

This from Bill Browder today:

Putin offered to allow American investigators to interview the 12 Russian intelligence agents just indicted by Special Counsel Robert Mueller in exchange for allowing Russians to have access to me and those close to me. This is no idle threat. For the last ten years, I’ve been trying to avoid getting killed by Putin’s regime, and there already exists a trail of dead bodies connected to its desire to see me dead...
http://time.com/5340545/bill-browder-vladimir-putin-magnitsky-act-donald-trump/

posted July 19, 2018 03:40 PM            

There is one and only one remedial step.
Voting out the GOP.

100% Democrats, 32% Republicans and 75% of Independents are against Trump Version GOP.
With smart rallying and smart political moves, this can be a solid victory for Democrats.

They need to stop outlandish politics like abolishing ICE and insist on reducing interest rates, eliminating tariffs that affect farmers while strengthening Law/Order and support for US Agencies, NATO etc.

One useful fear mongering tactic would be to assert that Putin will arrange millions of canisters of Nerve Agents into USA if NATO is weakened and Russian Criminals are not stopped by Mueller and Co. Clearly Putin assassinated in UK using Novichok and with Trump 100% with Putin, he will not hesitate to have a go at Browder in USA with Polonium or Novichok.

Also note that a Secret Service Agent died mysteriously in Scotland. He heard something he should not have heard?

posted July 21, 2018 01:42 PM            

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Originally posted by juniperb:
Why wait ^^ Divorce the cad and ship him to Russia to join his bro & kbg friends..

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