posted March 29, 2020 01:28 PM            

In those days of Coronavirus, if there is ever a need for global unity, the time is now.

The purpose of this thread is to disseminate information on the Coronavirus crisis and engage each other without falling into partisan fighting. Is that too much to ask?

I will not be policing this thread. Please police yourself and keep your tone respectful of others'opinion as you discuss differences.

If this thread cannot serve its purpose, which is to disseminate information and grow discussion respectfully, I will ask Randall that it be closed or deleted.

posted March 29, 2020 02:31 PM            

Biden and Sanders have been struggling to find their voices in the new crisis because of the nationwide shift in priorities.
Now there is an emerging movement among democrats calling for drafting NY Governor Andrew Cuomo into being the democratic candidate.

Newsday Opinion:
https://www.newsday.com/opinion/commentary/coronavirus-andrew-cuomo-2020-presiden t-1.43453549

National Review:
https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/03/could-a-draft-cuomo-movement-be-in-the-d emocrats-future/

Fox News commentary Tucker Carlson:
https://thehill.com/homenews/media/489983-tucker-carlson -biden-wont-be-the-democratic-nominee-andrew-cuomo-most-likely

posted March 29, 2020 03:59 PM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
Former CDC director Tom Frieden, MD has an opinion piece: Vitamin D supplementation could help boost immune system and reduce risk of coronavirus infection:

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/former-cdc-chief-tom-frieden-corona virus-risk-may-be-reduced-with-vitamin-d

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And this is a reminder to start taking my vitamins every day again. I forget some days as it is, but after the warnings about elderberry, I wasn’t sure what else I should or shouldn’t take.

Two weeks ago, I had the mildest cold I’ve ever had. Before that, I had a sinus headache for days. Now I keep seeing things about digestive symptoms (something I always have), and last night about a woman who thought she only had a sinus infection, but it was this. Now I don’t know what to think. What I was told were not symptoms of Covid, are now symptoms that some people mention.

posted March 29, 2020 04:59 PM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
^^^

What are the warnings about elderberry? I thought elderberry is great!

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I can’t remember. Something about it setting off a cytokine storm.

posted March 29, 2020 05:51 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
I can’t remember. Something about it setting off a cytokine storm.

I was taking Vitamin D, more than the recommended dose, so if I was exposed, maybe that helped.

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Interesting; this is what I found on Andrew Weil's website:

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Elderberry:
Q: Why is elderberry considered safe for prevention but recommended to stop with symptoms or positive COVID-19 test results?

A: Elderberry extracts may help to prevent the early stage of corona virus infections, which includes COVID-19. Elderberry contains compounds which decrease the ability of viruses to infect cells. Elderberry is considered generally safe and in influenza B (cause of common cold), use of elderberry shortens the duration of symptoms. However, as a part of its immune supportive actions, elderberry increases immune cell release of tiny chemicals called cytokines. Specifically, elderberry increases the release of a cytokine called IL-1B which is a part of the inflammatory reaction to COVID-19 that can result in acute respiratory distress. For this reason, to minimize the possibility that elderberry could aggravate the inflammatory “cytokine storm” associated with the more severe COVID-19 infections, it is recommended to stop elderberry at the first signs of infection (fever, cough, sore throat) and/or if you test positive for the virus.

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posted March 29, 2020 09:14 PM            

Articles that explain this:

"As researchers try to understand why some people infected with COVID-19 experience mild or nonexistent symptoms while others require hospitalization, one factor they have considered is the “viral load” — the amount of the virus detected in a patient. “The viral load is a measure of how bright the fire is burning in an individual,” Edward Parker of the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, told New Scientist. Early indications suggest a correlation between the fire and the burn in COVID-19 patients: People with larger viral loads are generally getting sicker."
http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/03/is-viral-load-key-to-understanding- coronaviruss-severity.html

posted March 30, 2020 02:37 AM            

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Originally posted by StubbornVirgo:
I thought I would pop in and say hello from the frontlines.

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posted March 30, 2020 11:16 AM            

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Originally posted by StubbornVirgo:
I thought I would pop in and say hello from the frontlines.

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posted March 30, 2020 06:14 PM            

Prove of Media Bias:

Como (D) gets the red carpet for chloroquine : http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/clinical-trials-coronavirus-treatments-begin-york/story?id=69777957

They spent the last week trying to make Trump look insane for a promising treatment, so now that it's approved we are seeing dozens of headlines like : "FDA authorizes widespread use of unproven drugs to treat coronavirus, saying possible benefit outweighs risk" , "There’s scant evidence so far for chloroquine as a COVID-19 drug", "Without data, but with Trump praise, FDA issues emergency nod for chloroquine in COVID-19."

It's the same old "without evidence" scam, but with 30+ million doses rolling out, they are going to be married to the drug needing to be bad no matter what, because Trump can never be right about anything.

Is good we found a treatment for something else that is promising for coronavirus as we have data on it and how people react to it, with a brand new drug there will be more risks. This is good news but the media has to frame it as bad to make Trump look bad.

Nothing he does can be framed in a positive way but if someone from the left does the same thing they are heroes!

But the media is not biased at all...

Astrology: Trump's Tr Neptune falls in his 7H (house of open enemies) which overlaps with the USA's chart 3H (the media) which has pisces intercepted in there. He also has aquarius on his DC with Uranus ruler of the DC conjunct his Sun.

posted March 31, 2020 12:11 AM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Not sure what to think of this, thoughts?

"In case you missed it— CBS news has been caught using footage from an Italian hospital to claim that NYC hospitals are a war zone. I have told you all over these last few days that there is something weird going on in New York. Hopefully this was just a mistake— and they somehow thought they were actually reporting on a NY hospital... but that seems very unlikely me. CBS News needs to answer for this. They have been caught manufacturing panic.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2 020/03/cbs-news-caught-using-footage-from-an-italian-hospital-to-describe-conditions-in-new-york-city-video/

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I suspect shoddy journalism, and lazy reporters. Someone receiving a sensational footing from a "source". and with no fact checking, just taking it at face value and posting it.

Ugh! The state of journalism these days. There are some great journalists but the bad ones are becoming all too common.

posted March 31, 2020 12:36 AM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
When Como promotes a drug with promise for wuhan flu he's good, brave, a leader, finding solutions. When Trump has hope in the exact same drug, he's without evidence, he's dangerous, it's unproven. He's bad man no matter what.

Prove of Media Bias:

Como (D) gets the red carpet for chloroquine : http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/clinical-trials-coronavirus-treatments-begin- york/story?id=69777957

They spent the last week trying to make Trump look insane for a promising treatment, so now that it's approved we are seeing dozens of headlines like : "FDA authorizes widespread use of unproven drugs to treat coronavirus, saying possible benefit outweighs risk" , "There’s scant evidence so far for chloroquine as a COVID-19 drug", "Without data, but with Trump praise, FDA issues emergency nod for chloroquine in COVID-19."

It's the same old "without evidence" scam, but with 30+ million doses rolling out, they are going to be married to the drug needing to be bad no matter what, because Trump can never be right about anything.

Is good we found a treatment for something else that is promising for coronavirus as we have data on it and how people react to it, with a brand new drug there will be more risks. This is good news but the media has to frame it as bad to make Trump look bad.

Nothing he does can be framed in a positive way but if someone from the left does the same thing they are heroes!

But the media is not biased at all...

Astrology: Trump's Tr Neptune falls in his 7H (house of open enemies) which overlaps with the USA's chart 3H (the media) which has pisces intercepted in there. He also has aquarius on his DC with Uranus ruler of the DC conjunct his Sun.

The 7H is open enemies and things that are out of our control were others hold the power, external outside forces out of your control.

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I am not sure what you mean by red carpet for Cuomo.

Anyway, I think the criticism toward Trump has to do with him promoting this drug like it's the best thing since sliced bread instead of being cautiously optimistic, which is what Cuomo does.

posted March 31, 2020 02:26 AM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
I am not sure what you mean by red carpet for Cuomo.

Anyway, I think the criticism toward Trump has to do with him promoting this drug like it's the best thing since sliced bread instead of being cautiously optimistic, which is what Cuomo does.

And the FDA has not approved the drug to be used as a cure for covid. The FDA has approved the drug to be used in CLINICAL TRIALS for very sick patients. The WHO is also conducting clinical trials on the drug. Again, the idea is to be cautiously optimistic.

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NO it was approved today for USE, companies have donated between 30 to 40 million doses for it already and he was criticized already for that too bc they are saying that is not ENOUGH but is a good start, is something to work with.

He cant do anything right, instead of celebrating him removing red tape so the doctors can prescribe this medication he gets criticized for been optimistic. They both showed optimism, he gets criticized and Cuomo gets put up in a pedestal by the media.

I MEAN I AGREE WITH YOU THAT WE NEED TO BE CAUTIOUSLY OPTIMISTIC, you are right. Doctors still need to screen out who to prescribe this to and be careful but is HOPE and I think will probably make an impact.

posted March 31, 2020 02:38 AM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
Last night, we had encouragement from our health director - Ohio was ahead of the curve, and now ours is flattening, so she wants us to continue what we're doing.

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posted March 31, 2020 02:43 AM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
I've seen a couple of articles against Cuomo today. I haven't read them, but they were warning against him.

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posted March 31, 2020 09:14 AM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Not sure what to think of this, thoughts?

"In case you missed it— CBS news has been caught using footage from an Italian hospital to claim that NYC hospitals are a war zone. I have told you all over these last few days that there is something weird going on in New York. Hopefully this was just a mistake— and they somehow thought they were actually reporting on a NY hospital... but that seems very unlikely me. CBS News needs to answer for this. They have been caught manufacturing panic.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2 020/03/cbs-news-caught-using-footage-from-an-italian-hospital-to-describe-conditions-in-new-york-city-video/

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Thegatewaypundit is tongue in cheek journalism and not meant to be truthful.