posted June 06, 2020 05:05 PM            

lol

posted June 06, 2020 05:06 PM            

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Originally posted by shura:
Well some people sure like it. They like it when it means a redistribution of power into their hands.

Whether the masses "like" it or not doesn't much matter. Tenable just means convincing. And never has convincing the masses been so easy.

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Well, there is a difference between CREATING change, and an uncontrollable destruction no one can control, like a natural disaster, or these riots.

posted June 06, 2020 05:13 PM            

Now that the rioters (or protestors or whatever) know what works, don't think for a minute they won't use the same tactics in your city. We are going to see the same schedule of events on repeat over the next few years. homicide/riots/surrender. You must remove one power structure before replacing it with another.

posted June 06, 2020 05:20 PM            

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Originally posted by shura:
the riots are not an "uncontrollable destruction no one can control"

rioting is method of change. It has been so for a long long time. it's just another card in the deck.

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posted June 06, 2020 05:53 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
The Democrat party is now controlled by anarchists and extremists.

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posted June 06, 2020 06:12 PM            

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Originally posted by Blind writer:
I never implied rioting didn’t cause change. I said it’s a bad way of doing it. And yes, riots are “uncontrollable destruction”, precisely because they’re rage-driven. Mobs have no thought process.

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Bad .... well, is it effective? It is. So I don't know that it would be considered 'bad.'

Riots are controllable. They are easily enough instigated and easily enough led. People who don't think are precisely those easiest to control. Just stop and consider how quickly this series of riots appeared in multiple Us cities, attracting thousands of protestors - like magic! This was coordinated. Antifa planned this for last summer. Why it was postponed, I don't now. But it was absolutely coordinated.

posted June 06, 2020 06:35 PM            

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Originally posted by shura:
Bad .... well, is it effective? It is. So I don't know that it would be considered 'bad.'

Riots are controllable. They are easily enough instigated and easily enough led. People who don't think are precisely those easiest to control. Just stop and consider how quickly this series of riots appeared in multiple Us cities, attracting thousands of protestors - like magic! This was coordinated. Antifa planned this for last summer. Why it was postponed, I don't now. But it was absolutely coordinated.

Now, if youre telling me "yes, but you can't trust the mob to loot this store but not that store so theyre uncontrollable" well, ok, to some degree youre right. But does that matter, really?

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When I say bad, I’m referring to the quality of the change, so it can be argued that they are effective, for sure. But they bring about terrible quality changes, sometimes even self-destructive time bombs.

I don’t think riots are controllable. They’re easy enough to start, but once that avalanche had begun, it cannot be neatly moved or tempered. It’s very clear that these were coordinated, making use of the ignorant and the “useful idiots” lacking awareness of their surroundings. Weaponizing the anger and letting it loose. Radicalization 101.

posted June 06, 2020 06:52 PM            

probably.

posted June 06, 2020 07:10 PM            

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Originally posted by shura:
just to look back ...

why the uprising were postponed I genuinely do not know. Certainly another spark might have been found to light the fire. Maybe the election? But that is a known date, so why the initial plan for 19'? I can't think it happening so soon after covid is a coincidence. And that is a rather unsettling thought, isn't it?

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I think two potential reasons.

Firstly, the lockdown measures created a ripe environment for discontent. Riots don’t happen when people are happily working and making money. Crisis actors were being hired back in March and April, these supplies were being built up for a while.

Secondly, if one were to entertain deep state conspiracies, this kicked off right around the beginning of some serious investigations into long-term and well established politicians.

This is an election year as well, and tensions are naturally higher. That’s a big reason why people are checking off their bingo cards in quick succession this year. Still waiting for the alien invasion.

posted June 06, 2020 10:17 PM            

not a word, I promise.

posted June 08, 2020 01:43 AM            

We need the good cops to deal with the bad cops. Why is that so hard to understand?

posted June 08, 2020 01:45 AM            

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http://twitter.com/JohnGallagherJr/status/1269049255970443264

"I’d like to tell you a story about Bruce Springsteen and the New York City Police Department.

Bruce Springsteen’s song “American Skin (41 Shots)” is a tender, moving ode to Amadou Diallo. Diallo was a 23 year old Guinean immigrant who was shot 19 times by 4 plain clothes cops outside his NYC apartment in 1999. 41 shots were fired. He was unarmed. The cops were acquitted.

When Bruce debuted the song in Atlanta in 2000 it was considered controversial. The largest police union in NYC was like “That’s it! The Boss is cancelled!” They called for the NYPD to boycott Bruce and refuse to offer security for his upcoming shows at Madison Square Garden.

Listening to the song now, it’s hard to imagine what made them so mad. It isn’t angry or accusatory, just sorrowful. It offers up the simple, powerful refrain...

“You can get killed just for living in your American skin.”

It is a stunning song. Give it a listen.

The fact that it made the NYPD so mad tells us a lot about why they are doing what they are doing right now. The party line has always been the same...

Question our authority and become our enemy. It doesn’t matter if you’re a famous rockstar or a citizenry demanding reform.

Last Sunday, Ed Mullins, president of the second largest police union in NYC, tweeted Chiara de Blasio’s arrest record after she was arrested protesting. It included her license info and address. Chiara is the Mayor’s daughter. She’s 25. Mullins has been on the force since 82.

The Sergeants Benevolent Association’s account was briefly suspended because posting people’s private information without their knowledge, also known as doxxing, is a dangerous violation of Twitter Rules. The tweet was removed and Mullins quickly regained control of the account.

In February, Mullins tweeted that members of the NYPD were “declaring war on Mayor de Blasio and did not respect him.” He also tweeted a video that referred to black people as “monsters” and public housing as “war zones.” This is the head of NYC’s second largest police union.

This week he put out a statement praising officers for their recent performance during protests. He proclaimed that the NYPD answered to a “higher power” and will “win the war on New York City.” Then he went on Fox News and begged Trump to call in the National Guard to occupy us.

He told Laura Ingraham that the NYPD was “losing the city of New York.” I guess I’ve been naive all this time because I didn’t realize it belonged to them.

Yesterday the NYPD sought and was granted the right to arrest anyone and hold them for more than 24 hours in crowded jail cells without arraignment while the covid-19 pandemic still looms. This is a rare and stunning suspension of habeas corpus.

To recap, the president of the second largest police union in New York City publicly declared war on both its mayor and its citizens in the last four months. It’s not making many headlines right now but it seems like a red flag and a pretty big deal to me!

The thing about Mullins is, cops love him! He’s been a union boss since 2002. They love that he visits Trump in D.C. and trashes the Dem Mayor and owns the libs on his divisive, partisan Twitter account. How do you change that? How do you fix what doesn’t see itself as broken?

Make no mistake. The police are in full on revenge mode now and it will only get uglier. If a Springsteen song can get under their skin and set them off then surely they are fuming at having their absolute power and immunity threatened and defied so brazenly on the world stage.

But what did we expect? In 2017, our POTUS gave a speech on camera in which he gleefully encouraged New York cops to be violent when performing arrests as rows of uniformed police officers laughed and applauded from the bleachers behind him. Where did we think this would lead us?"

https://twitter.com/JohnGallagherJr/status/1269049255970443264  

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posted June 08, 2020 02:07 AM            

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Originally posted by shura:
Bad .... well, is it effective? It is. So I don't know that it would be considered 'bad.'

Riots are controllable. They are easily enough instigated and easily enough led. People who don't think are precisely those easiest to control. Just stop and consider how quickly this series of riots appeared in multiple Us cities, attracting thousands of protestors - like magic! This was coordinated. Antifa planned this for last summer. Why it was postponed, I don't now. But it was absolutely coordinated.

Now, if youre telling me "yes, but you can't trust the mob to loot this store but not that store so theyre uncontrollable" well, ok, to some degree youre right. But does that matter, really?

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How was it coordinated last Summer?

I heard that Betsy Devos was behind the protests to open things up. People were paid to show up and start crap, to get others going. Still wondering where the tear gas and rubber bullets were for that lot. They yelled at and pushed against police, some were armed, and storming buildings - but that's fine, because you guys agreed with them?

posted June 08, 2020 05:33 AM            

Through all this, it’s like the left and right are talking right past each other.

Everyone is on board with police reform, have been from the very beginning, but the left is acting like no one is listening, when literally the whole country was in solidarity. When the rioting began, that support began to slip, especially when the left not only refused to widely condemn this behavior, but actively promoted it. I have seen it in so many places, and Twitter is a veritable cesspool of this destructive incitement, treating it like a live action role play. Folks are assigning people roles like “fire mage” or “chemist”, as if this is a fun game that isn’t destroying thousands of livelihoods and outright killing people. This is appalling, particularly when folks are told if you’re not in complete alignment with their methods and ideology you’re the “enemy” and a “racist” for daring to call for an end to this.

There are numerous graffiti tags of ACAB and 1312, which is demoralizing to every good cop you just said we need, and when the leaders in these large urban areas not only refuse to help the police at all, but villainize them, these same good cops are the ones resigning en masse. Why in the world would they want to go to work, risk their lives, the lives of their families (they’re getting doxxed), deal with people intent upon spitting on them or worse (hundreds have been injured, some killed, and they’re being mocked and jeered at online), and are being actively undermined. Did you know the left are exposing the nonviolent techniques the cops are trying to use to deescalate tensions in crowds, and sabotaging peace efforts? Soon, all that will remain will be the bad cops who are even more embittered by this whole disaster. The left should be unilaterally condemning this, and they’re not. Instead, they’re doubling down and saying ALL cops are bad.

On top of this, the deaths of others, GOOD guys like David Dorn are absolutely ignored by the media. He was a sterling example, not only a black man, but a retired cop, who could have bridged that gap between the left and right, could have been a tragedy to put a brake on the destruction, but no one is talking about him on the left. WHY? I genuinely do not understand. The news on the left is hyper focused exclusively on incidents of police brutalizing the people. This isn’t how to improve relations, it makes things worse.

After all this time too, why are folks still making chaos and destruction? There is no apparent end game, aside from sowing seeds of racism where there had never been any before. The sooner it stops, the sooner everyone can heal, and the sooner changes can be implemented.

There is a lack of accountability on the left. There’s a meme going about that states something along the lines of, “if you have 10 bad cops and 1000 good cops, and the 1000 don’t rein in the 10 bad cops, then you have 1010 bad cops”. The very same could be said of the protesters. If you have 1000 good protesters and 10 bad protesters, then you have 1010 bad protesters. Of course, it’s ridiculous logic to begin with, but this is the ACAB mentality at ground zero, and it’s being enabled by the “allies” on Twitter. The scant voices I have seen on the left trying to get people to calm down are immediately devoured by their own, and the ones in the middle or on the right are entirely ignored or mocked (this is cancel culture).

There are bad cops, absolutely no one is in disagreement about that. They need more accountability, and no one disagrees about that either. Blaming Trump is inane and petty though. These problems overwhelmingly occur in democrat areas, with democrat mayors, democrat councils, in democrat counties, under democrat policies, running democrat departments, and have been running this way for decades. This is objectively true. Does that mean it’s the root cause? I don’t know. Perhaps it’s due to overpopulation. Smaller communities tend to be conservative, but their police are also more accountable to their neighbors on a personal level. Maybe it’s how departments are structured. I don’t know. Different departments have different policies. Clearly these urban areas have got to make changes. There has actually been an improving trend for years now (fewer deaths).

posted June 08, 2020 08:52 AM            

When that cop stayed on Floyd's neck for 7 minutes, there were other officers that witnessed this and did not stop him. Why?

If you don't take out your own trash, you are opening yourselves to other people taking it out for you, and when they do so, they might take out more than the trash.