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Topic: Judge Jeanine Makes A Great Case For Why Floyd Killing Should Be First Degree Murder
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Randall
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posted June 07, 2020 05:29 PM
  
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jwhop
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posted June 07, 2020 05:32 PM
I think it's 1st degree murder too.I didn't see any resisting arrest unless pleading for that officer to get off his neck so he could breathe constitutes 'resisting arrest'. IP: Logged |
juniperb
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From: Blue Star Kachina
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posted June 07, 2020 05:36 PM
Do you believe the other 3 officers are charged with the right crime? 1st degree for the murdering cop, heck yes!! ------------------
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juniperb
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posted June 07, 2020 05:37 PM
Did you see Floyds brothers interview? He said Floyd was a bouncer at the same club the cop was security and it may have been a personal issue.IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted June 07, 2020 06:20 PM
Yes, in MN state law, if your presence prevents others from preventing a crime, you are just as guilty. Being police officers, their presence alone made them guilty.IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted June 07, 2020 06:22 PM
But I think they didn't want to risk not getting a guilty verdict.IP: Logged |
Blind writer
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posted June 07, 2020 06:25 PM
Proving intent is the hardest thing to do beyond a reasonable doubt. I worry that aiming too high for the stars will cause the charges to fail. If it falls through, it will incite another slew of angry people demanding mob justice, but who knows, maybe that’s the ultimate intention.IP: Logged |
teasel
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posted June 07, 2020 07:48 PM
Good. I can’t watch it right now. Later. IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted June 07, 2020 08:29 PM
I’ve heard conflicting news stories. I think it was unintentional second degree murder, i.e., felony murder. That requires no intent. If you commit a felony, and it results in a murder, if you didn’t intend on the murder or even if it was an accident, you are guilty of murder, and everyone involved in the felony is also. In this case, the felony would be assault. IP: Logged |
Blind writer
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From: Texas, USA
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posted June 07, 2020 08:34 PM
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Originally posted by Randall:
I’ve heard conflicting news stories. I think it was unintentional second degree murder, i.e., felony murder. That requires no intent. If you commit a felony, and it results in a murder, if you didn’t intend on the murder or even if it was an accident, you are guilty of murder, and everyone involved in the felony is also. In this case, the felony would be assault.
Third degree means you didn’t know what you were doing would kill a person, gross negligence led to death. Second degree means you knew what you were doing could kill a person, but did it anyway. First degree means you intended to kill a person. I do not see a convincing case right now for first, second can be argued, the third is a slam dunk case, no question. IP: Logged |
shura
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From: kamaloka
Registered: Jun 2009
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posted June 08, 2020 09:53 AM
We haven't seen all of the video, so hard to say if he was resisting arrest. One video shows something happening in the backseat - but was it Floyd reisting or the cops beating him? Some of the more incriminating video isn't being much shared, like the vid where drug packets are falling out if Floyd's pockets.Considering his violent past and the level of intoxication I would be surprised if he didn't resist to some degree. But he wasn't armed so clearly the police over responded. That we canonize a criminal drug addict who held a gun to a pregnant woman's stomach and toss David Dorn down the memory hole says so much about our culture.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/jun/7/stephan-cannon-charged-david- dorn-killing-st-louis/ turns out David was allegedly killed by a black man, so further down the hole it falls. IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted June 08, 2020 10:58 AM
First degree is normally with intent and premeditation. Second degree is with intent and no premeditation. Third degree is without either. However, there is also felony murder, which conflicting news stories tells me in MN is second degree. That requires no intent. It only requires that someone died during the commission of a listed felony, and one of those felonies is assault.IP: Logged |
Blind writer
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From: Texas, USA
Registered: May 2012
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posted June 08, 2020 11:27 AM
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Originally posted by shura:
turns out David was killed by a black man, so further down the hole it falls.
To be fair, he’s presumed innocent until proven guilty, and I haven’t seen these surveillance videos to compare to his mugshot. But it’s excellent that a suspect is in custody. In this case, first degree is unquestionable. IP: Logged |
shura
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From: kamaloka
Registered: Jun 2009
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posted June 08, 2020 11:37 AM
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Originally posted by Blind writer:
To be fair, he’s presumed innocent until proven guilty, and I haven’t seen these surveillance videos to compare to his mugshot. But it’s excellent that a suspect is in custody. In this case, first degree is unquestionable.
You're right and I will edit. IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted June 08, 2020 01:58 PM
He has now been charged with third degree, second degree, and manslaughter all three.IP: Logged |
shura
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From: kamaloka
Registered: Jun 2009
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posted June 08, 2020 06:25 PM
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Originally posted by juniperb:
Did you see Floyds brothers interview? He said Floyd was a bouncer at the same club the cop was security and it may have been a personal issue.
The owner (manager? Dont recall) of the bar said the same last week. She is a member of La Raza. The story ... and this is a totally unconfirmed story ofc ... is that Chauvin and Floyd were both involved in a counterfeit money scam. When Floyd began passing around fake 20s all over town and risking the operation, they killed him. I dont know. Youd think they might have found a less risky way. Something is up. Not at all sure it is that, but something. Also not sure how racist Chauvin is with a Laotian wife.
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