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Dhyana
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posted June 21, 2020 07:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dhyana     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Randall:
No, what’s stopping President Trump is that he wants to let America see what happens when you leave the left in control.

Yes, he said so at the rally yesterday.

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posted June 21, 2020 08:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Democrat party are made up of mostly good people who are moderates. But it has been hijacked by Marxists. What do Marxists want to do? They want to topple the government by destroying our history and our shared culture And values. They are hiding behind racism and using it as a facade to fuel the anger. The facts are that 25 percent of the people that police officers kill each year are African-Americans. And 50 percent are white. But if you only learn your “facts” from the media, you would think cops only kill blacks. President Trump could send in the NG and fix this in one day, but then Juni would be calling him Hitler. We saw this reaction from him pepper balling the crowd when he walked across the street to the church. The best thing he can do is let the Dems decide what to about the monuments being taken down. You don’t see any of this in Republican run cities. Why do you think that is? And why do Dems allow chaos?

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posted June 21, 2020 10:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
25% of the people killed each year by the police are blacks, that is still too high a number relative to their percentage 12-13% of the population.

I do agree that there is a false narrative being pushed that the police only kills blacks and somewhat coddles whites, but there is still a need for reform within the police system. With the George Floyd incident, that cat is out of the bag and is not going back.

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posted June 21, 2020 10:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No one is defending the Floyd incident. But better than 99 percent of cops are good people who risk their lives every day.

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Belage
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posted June 21, 2020 10:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Better than 99 percent?! You are very optimistic about human nature. That percentage is not valid for any profession, except perhaps that of firefighters, people who truly risk their lives without endangering other lives.

Human beings are who they are, flawed, and when they are given a job where they get to have power over others, some, if not many will abuse it. That is why we need to have guidelines and penalties in place.

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Blind writer
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posted June 22, 2020 01:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Blind writer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Death by the hand of police has been trending downward for a few years. No one talks about that.

- Increase funding, because the following requires it
- Increase pay for officers
- Increase the number of officers
- Vet new members
- Increase training from a handful of hours a year to several hours a week
- Cross train officers in de-escalation techniques
- Provide robust mental health wellness options for officers, especially those who have been on the force a long time
- Foster police-community relations through community events

There’s a lot of things that can be done, but those are my modest suggestions.

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posted June 22, 2020 01:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If you take the number of officers and number of interactions with the public versus verifiable incidents, it is only a fraction of a percent. I say 1 percent due to incidents that are not known. But we do need better training for the police, which means more funding, not less.

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posted June 22, 2020 01:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for nordicsoul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Blind writer:
Death by the hand of police has been trending downward for a few years. No one talks about that.

- Increase funding, because the following requires it
- Increase pay for officers
- Increase the number of officers
- Vet new members
- Increase training from a handful of hours a year to several hours a week
- Cross train officers in de-escalation techniques
- Provide robust mental health wellness options for officers, especially those who have been on the force a long time
- Foster police-community relations through community events

There’s a lot of things that can be done, but those are my modest suggestions.


I would add that training should include thorough sub-cultures awareness not the type of "feel guilty about being white", but the one that helps every police officer to UNDERSTAND their own biases.

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posted June 22, 2020 06:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Blind writer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I would add that training should include thorough sub-cultures awareness not the type of "feel guilty about being white", but the one that helps every police officer to UNDERSTAND their own biases.

I meant hand to hand combat training, such as jiujitsu. I don’t agree with a ban on chokeholds. When used by a trained person, they are the safest way to incapacitate someone, bar none. I have been choked out, and it’s exactly like falling asleep. You wake up quickly, wondering if you can hit the snooze button and catch five more minutes before work. It’s harmless, and should be taught to every officer who is on the streets. France just reversed their ban on chokeholds, and rightfully so. It’s less lethal than tasers, which are already a less lethal means of incapacitation.

“Subculture” is nonsense, because race is not a factor in police brutality - it’s population density and class. The community is equally accountable for treating police encounters with professionalism. No one likes getting pulled over by a cop. Most of the time, the encounters are NOT positive, or leave folks with warm, fuzzy feelings. It’s protocol, though. It’s uncomfortable. It cuts into a person’s day, might make them late to an engagement. It might result in an unexpected expense and ticket. But as law abiding citizens, we are all accountable for our behavior. People need to correctly pick their fights. Think a cop encounter is unfair? Then address it to a judge. Resisting arrest should not be rewarded or apologized for, and certainly should not be grounds for martyrdom.

Police should be held to a high standard. And they are making strides toward that. Body cams have made a difference, and as I mentioned before, the death-by-cop incidents were already trending downward. But what we need is more funding, not less, and it’s insane to think they should be abolished. I can’t believe city councils are deciding these things without a citywide vote. Prominent democrat representatives are parroting the defund idea. They’re betraying their constituents, and demoralizing the police nationwide. We’re already seeing crime skyrocket.

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posted June 23, 2020 04:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nolte: Trump Was Mocked for Predicting Woke Taliban Wouldn't Stop at Confederate Statues
John Nolte
21 Jun 2020

Two years ago, President Trump was ridiculed for predicting the Woke Taliban would not stop with the destruction of Confederate statues.

Do you remember when National Review's Rich Lowry reassured us we were stupid alarmists for fearing the Woke Taliban would target the Founding Fathers as soon as they were done with Confederate statues? Remember when Lowry told us this:

Conservatives tend to come down the same way. They reflexively oppose politically correct campaigns to track down and destroy anything giving offense. They fear where the slippery slope of a campaign of woke iconoclasm will lead, first it's Jefferson Davis, then Thomas Jefferson, finally George Washington. They value tradition, and Confederate statues have been part of the landscape of American cities for decades now, and they worry we are trashing part of our history.

This impulse, though, is a mistake.

It shouldn't be too difficult for you to remember that. Lowery published it four days ago.

Not four years ago.

Not four months ago.

Not four weeks ago.

He wrote that four days ago, on June 17....

http://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/06/ 21/nolte-trump-was-mocked-for-predicting-woke-taliban-wouldnt-stop-at-confederate-statues/

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Dhyana
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posted June 23, 2020 08:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dhyana     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The President to issue executive order re vandalism of statues or monuments on Federal property:

“I have authorized the Federal Government to arrest anyone who vandalizes or destroys any monument, statue or other such Federal property in the U.S. with up to 10 years in prison, per the Veteran’s Memorial Preservation Act, or such other laws that may be pertinent....

....This action is taken effective immediately, but may also be used retroactively for destruction or vandalism already caused. There will be no exceptions!”


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posted June 24, 2020 09:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://www.facebook.com/jason.hedman.1/posts/10158271995910782

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posted July 06, 2020 12:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://api.nationalgeographic.com/distribution/public/amp/history/2020/07/pulling-down-statues-tradition-dates-back-united-states-independence?fbclid=IwAR2kc3yfhc1KOdvidbZfOt7iESHx -BLnr04EnYr1XwQNSlf91lvnoDWuOqE


Pulling down statues? It’s a tradition that dates back to U.S. independence
Enthusiasm for the American Revolution led colonists to burn, disfigure, and deface any symbol of Britain and its hated king.

(And, of course, to waste that tea.)

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jwhop
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posted July 06, 2020 01:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@teasel

[URL=http://api.nationalgeographic.com/distribution/public/amp/history/2020/07/pulling-down-statues-tradition-dates-back-united-states-independence?fbclid=IwAR2kc3yfhc1KOdvidbZfOt7 iESHx]http://api.nationalgeographic.com/distribution/public/amp/history/2020/07/pulling-down-statues-tradition-dates-back-united-states-independence?fbclid=IwAR2kc3yfhc1KOdvidbZfOt 7iESHx[/URL] -BLnr04EnYr1XwQNSlf91lvnoDWuOqE


Pulling down statues? It’s a tradition that dates back to U.S. independence
Enthusiasm for the American Revolution led colonists to burn, disfigure, and deface any symbol of Britain and its hated king.

(And, of course, to waste that tea.)

Quite a difference between tearing down statues of a foreign enemy and tearing down statues of American historical figures.

Oh, by the way.
Can you tell us why the statues of the mass murderer, Vladimir Ilyich Lenin is still standing in Seattle, Washington, Atlantic City, New Jersey and New York City, Lenin who enslaved the whole nation of Russia...and imprisoned millions in gulags? Go for it.

And let's not forget the bust of Josef Stalin in Bedford, Virginia. Another mass murderer of Russian citizens. Between Lenin and Stalin about 70,000,000...70 million Russian citizens were murdered...for disagreeing with their Communist masters.

Now that you know, I'm sure you'll want to rush to Seattle, Atlantic City, NY City and Bedford, Virginia and tear them down. Make it a party and take BLM and Antifa with you.

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Dhyana
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posted July 06, 2020 06:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dhyana     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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Originally posted by Blind writer:

Police should be held to a high standard. And they are making strides toward that. Body cams have made a difference, and as I mentioned before, the death-by-cop incidents were already trending downward. But what we need is more funding, not less, and it’s insane to think they should be abolished. I can’t believe city councils are deciding these things without a citywide vote. Prominent democrat representatives are parroting the defund idea. They’re betraying their constituents, and demoralizing the police nationwide. We’re already seeing crime skyrocket.


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