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Dhyana
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posted July 13, 2020 06:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dhyana     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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As spelled out in a complaint by the American Association of Physicians & Surgeons and subsequently, the federal bureaucracy, including anti-Trump elements, has been withholding hydroxychloroquine from COVID-19 patients.

On June 2, 2020, [the American Association of Physician & Surgeons] AAPS filed a complaint in federal court seeking declaratory and injunctive relief to compel the Food & Drug Administration (FDA), the Biomedical Advanced Research & Development Authority (BARDA), and the Department of Health & Human Services (HHS) to release from the Strategic National Stockpile (SNS) approximately 150 million doses of hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) for use by prescribing physicians. The AAPS challenged the FDA’s Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) that, in the context of the COVID-19 pandemic, restricted the use of HCQ to clinical trials and the treatment of hospitalized patients.

The AAPS complaint is a remarkable document. It spells out in detail how elements of the federal bureaucracy have played politics to deprive the American people of the safe and beneficial use of HCQ to prevent and treat COVID-19. It does so in a series of damning factual averments, which the AAPS appears to be prepared to prove in court.

In its complaint, the AAPS cites the successful use of HCQ by China, India, South Korea, Costa Rica, United Arab Emirates, and Turkey for their “effective early treatment of COVID-19, and for [their] use as a prophylaxis for the disease.”

For example, it cites a recent study in India, where HCQ is being widely used as a prophylaxis, which concluded that “The pivotal finding of our [India’s] study was the noteworthy benefits of HCQ prophylaxis.… [T]he National Task Force for COVID-19 in India recommended once a week maintenance dose.”

In regard to the purported danger posed by the use of HCQ, the complaint avers that “There are no peer-reviewed or meritorious studies showing a lack of HCQ safety for COVID-19 patients. The retrospective studies cited in the media to the contrary are too flawed to inform rational decision-making because they compare outcomes without involving like patient populations (e.g., the HCQ patients may have been more sick than the non-HCQ patients or may have come from geographic areas with more acute exposures, which would explain higher rates of negative outcomes without showing in any way that HCQ caused or contributed to those outcomes).”

The complaint cites a recent report by National Public Radio which quoted Dr. Jon Giles, an epidemiologist and rheumatologist at Columbia University Department of Medicine, about the safety of HCQ:

It’s a very, very safe drug; it’s been used for over 75 years. When I give someone hydroxychloroquine, I don’t get an ECG [electrocardiogram] or do blood monitoring.

In addition, the AAPS complaint refers to “More than 25 articles since 1982 published in peer-reviewed medical journals have reported on the safety of HCQ, and these articles are included in the PubMed database as maintained by the United States National Library of Medicine at the National Institutes of Health.”

As for the effectiveness of HCQ in treating and preventing COVID-19, the complaint avers that, as of the third week in May 2020, there was a “dramatic difference in saving lives in countries allowing early and prophylactic use of hydroxychloroquine compared with the United States”...

The complaint references an article (“Early Outpatient Treatment of Symptomatic, High-Risk Covid-19 Patients That Should Be Ramped-Up Immediately as Key to the Pandemic Crisis”) in the peer-reviewed American Journal of Epidemiology by Harvey A. Risch, Professor of Epidemiology in the Department of Epidemiology and Public Health at the Yale School of Public Health and Yale School of Medicine, which states, in part, the following:

An outpatient treatment that prevents hospitalization is desperately needed [for COVID-19]…. Hydroxychloroquine+azithromycin has been widely misrepresented in both clinical reports and public media…. Evidence about use of hydroxychloroquine alone, or of hydroxychloroquine+azithromycin in inpatients, is irrelevant concerning efficacy of the pair in early high-risk outpatient disease. Five studies, including two controlled clinical trials, have demonstrated significant major outpatient treatment efficacy.

Hydroxychloroquine+azithromycin has been used as standard-of-care in more than 300,000 older adults with multicomorbidities, with estimated proportion diagnosed with cardiac arrhythmias attributable to the medications 47/100,000 users, of which estimated mortality is <20%, 9/100,000 users, compared to the 10,000 Americans now dying each week. These medications need to be widely available and promoted immediately for physicians.

The AAPS also cites a May 29, 2020, BBC News report (“Coronavirus: How Turkey took control of Covid-19 emergency”), which quotes Turkey’s “Chief doctor Nurettin Yiyit” asserting that it is critical to use HCQ early in the disease process. “Other countries are using this drug too late,” he says, “especially the United States. We only use it at the beginning. We have no hesitation about this drug. We believe it’s effective because we get the results.”

Similarly, the complaint cites the announcement by Nayib Bukele, president of El Salvador, that he and “most of the world’s leaders” are taking HCQ as a prophylaxis against COVID-19. “I use it as a prophylaxis. President Trump uses it as a prophylaxis. Most of the world’s leaders use it as a prophylaxis.”

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Since the AAPS filed suit, the Henry Ford Health System (HFHS) released a patient study in the International Journal of Infectious Diseases showing that the death rate of its hospitalized patients who received either HCQ alone or HCQ with Azithromycin was less than half that of those who did not, and that the HCQ caused no serious related heart problems.

On July 7, 2020, the AAPS issued a statement about the HFHS findings, which provided, in part, the following:

HCQ impressively improved survival. In contrast, the government-favored drug remdesivir has only been shown to decrease survivors’ hospital stay by four days, with no demonstrable improvement in survival….

The federal government has agreed to buy 500,000 doses of remdesivir at more than $3,000 per course of treatment, without proof that it will save lives. Why won’t it release HCQ, which costs about $20 per course of treatment, from the Strategic National Stockpile, and stop prohibiting or discouraging its use? …

Patients are dying needlessly every day.



http://spectator.org/the-politics-of-life-and-death/

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posted July 15, 2020 04:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"The federal government has agreed to buy 500,000 doses of remdesivir at more than $3,000 per course of treatment, without proof that it will save lives. "Why won’t it release HCQ, which costs about $20 per course of treatment, from the Strategic National Stockpile, and stop prohibiting or discouraging its use? …"

Sadly, people are losing their lives because Hydroxy only costs $20 per course treatment.

I hope the Justice Department is checking the connections between the CDC and the makers of Remdesivir. Things like this don't happen in a vacuum.

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posted July 16, 2020 10:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Remdesvir is NOT the best treatment.

HCQ is quite good but IF and ONLY IF taken with Zinc and heavy dosages of Vitamin C, else it is just as ineffective as expensive Remdesvir.

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posted July 25, 2020 06:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dhyana     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yale epidemiologist says hydroxychloroquine is 'the key to defeating COVID-19'

'Tens of thousands of patients with COVID-19 are dying unnecessarily' without the drug, he argues.

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Harvey Risch, a professor of epidemiology at Yale as well as the director of that school's Molecular Cancer Epidemiology Laboratory, argues in a Newsweek op-ed this week that "the data fully support" the wide use of hydroxychloroquine as an effective treatment of COVID-19. 

"When this inexpensive oral medication is given very early in the course of illness, before the virus has had time to multiply beyond control, it has shown to be highly effective," Risch argues in the column.


 

http://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/yale-epidemiologist-says-hydroxychloroquine-key-defeating-covid-19

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posted July 29, 2020 02:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dhyana     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The video that Twitter wouldn't allow Fuknutz to upload.

President Trump, Dr. Immanuel speak about HCQ and media's disinformation campaign.

https://twitter.com/GeneralDilley

Scroll to Video below the above-referenced heading.

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posted July 29, 2020 02:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Dhyana:
[b]The video that Twitter wouldn't allow Fuknutz to upload.

President Trump, Dr. Immanuel speak about HCQ and media's disinformation campaign.

https://twitter.com/GeneralDilley[/B]


A woman talking about demon sperm, and alien DNA?

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posted July 29, 2020 03:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dhyana     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The targeting of Dr. Immanuel has begun.

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posted July 29, 2020 03:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dhyana     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
President Trump quoted Dr. Stella Immanuel on Twitter:

Covid has cure. America wake up.

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posted July 30, 2020 03:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dr. Gold
One intelligent lady, courageous too. http://thegoldopinion.com

Dr. Gold Bio:
SIMONE GOLD, MD, JD, FABEM
BOARD CERTIFIED EMERGENCY PHYSICIAN
STANFORD EDUCATED ATTORNEY

Simone Gold, MD, JD, FABEM, is a board certified emergency physician. She graduated from Chicago Medical School before attending Stanford University Law School to earn her Juris Doctorate degree. She completed her residency in Emergency Medicine at Stony Brook University Hospital in New York. Dr. Gold worked in Washington D.C. for the Surgeon General, as well as for the Chairman of the Labor & Human Resources Committee. She works as an emergency physician on the frontlines whether or not there is a pandemic. Her clinical work serves all Americans: from urban-inner city, to suburban and the Native American population. Her legal work has focused on inpatient vs. outpatient determinations.. She writes on a number of policy issues relating to law and medicine. She always leads with the fact

The Politicization of HCQ
June 17, 2020

All it took for a safe, generic drug -- listed for decades by the World Health Organization (WHO) as one of the drugs that should be immediately and universally available worldwide at all times -- to be considered dangerous, was for President Trump to say "I happen to feel good about it." Immediately the American media deemed hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) dangerous – which then had worldwide implications on the availability of a safe, generic drug that has been used billions of times.

On March 28 the FDA made it easier to prescribe HCQ through an “emergency use authorization (EUA) for hospitalized Covid patients.” This authorization was revoked June 15, although that sounds more dramatic than it actually is, since doctors still can prescribe any FDA approved drug, including HCQ. The more interesting point is that the FDA called HCQ ineffective and risky based upon clinical trials that it turns out are highly questionable.

It so happens that the most famous clinical trials condemning HCQ were published in The Lancet and the NEJM (New England Journal of Medicine) and JAMA (Journal of the American Medical Association). But soon after publication, The Lancet and the NEJM had to print embarrassing formal retractions because the data could not be verified. Now it is time for JAMA to do the same. There are at least three egregious errors.

First, the study has a table describing the patients, and any layperson can see that specific patients were cherry picked for a higher chance of a bad outcome. The “high-dose” (chloroquine) CQ group had virtually all of the more severe risk factors linked to higher mortality, including older age, race, hypertension, diabetes, heart disease, asthma, kidney disease, high fever and more difficulty breathing. Just two examples of the cherry picking is that the “high-dose” CQ group was seven years older and 17.9% had heart disease compared to 0% in the younger group.

Even worse than cherry picking patients, would be giving toxic amounts of a medication. More than 30 years ago, the lethal dose of CQ was established to be 5 grams, and 4 grams is linked to very severe neurological and cardiovascular toxicity. Because CQ stays in a person’s body for a very long time, 1-2 months, doctors are cautious about the total amount used. The elderly, hospitalized, very ill patients in the high-dose group received 4.8 grams in just four days and 12 grams if they survived to the full ten days. Unsurprisingly so many people died in that group, that it had to be halted.

The third problem is that there is no proof within the JAMA study that an Ethics Committee had approved the study, which is a standard practice in scientific studies involving humans.

Because the only thing worse than junk science would be junk science heard round the world, renowned scientists demanded an immediate retraction of the study from JAMA. In a letter received by no less than 15 persons associated with the publication, more than one month ago, the scientists noted that JAMA missed or ignored the cherry picking, their concern that such excessively high dosages were so deadly that the study needed to be halted, and that there was an absence of the required ethics committee review.

The response by the Journal of the American Medical Association, the largest and most powerful organized medicine association in the world, was to deny any blame and to refuse to retract the study. JAMA disregarded the World Medical Association Declaration of Helsinki on the Ethical Principles for Medical Research Involving Human Subjects, and then they denied their own misconduct in disseminating flawed information to millions of doctors and media outlets.

JAMA gave this response even while knowing that the Brazilian Ministry of Justice is formally investigating the cause of deaths of so many elderly, debilitated, hospitalized, patients who died while being given up to 2.5x lethal dosages of a medication.

In response to these flawed NEJM and The Lancet and JAMA studies, the WHO ordered countries to stop using HCQ/CQ and the EU banned HCQ for Covid-19 trials. Because make no mistake, when the three most powerful medical journals in the world have their voices amplified by the American media, the worldwide response is fast and furious. But when the media doesn’t like the science, the public is kept in the dark.

Just one example: last week the world’s most populous democracy, the country of India, home to > one billion people, pre-published that prophylactic HCQ reduces the chances that healthcare workers will get infected.

What are the odds that the #1, #2, and #3 medical journals in the world independently, but virtually simultaneously, published flawed studies that happened to dovetail with a specific media narrative?

It seems calculating the odds of such a trifecta would depend upon which scientist you ask.

But the odds of you hearing about such a trifecta would depend upon where you live.

http://thegoldopinion.com/blog-1/f/the-politicization-of-hcq

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posted July 30, 2020 03:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dhyana     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Targeting of Dr. Stella Immanuel

And I hug them, and I tell them, “it’s going to be okay. You’re going to live.

Dr. Stella Immanuel

Opinion by Celia Farber

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Her talk in Washington DC, is now the gauntlet in what many are calling the last battle.

We all sent it to each other, through phones, emails, texts. “Have you seen this?”

I remember where I was, exactly. I saw it on JB Handley’s twitter feed, and he called her his new hero. She was one of 10 MD’s calling themselves “America’s Frontline Doctors”, who stood up like Charter 77 in Communist Czechoslovakia, put their entire careers on the line and spoke the whole truth as they know it, about Covid-19. One of them, in particular, became a global sensation.

She stood straight; head slightly tilted as though listening. She seemed to have no fear, no shame, she had a clear message, and she took her time.

“Hello, I’m Dr. Stella Immanuel. I’m a primary care physician in Houston, Texas. I actually went to medical school in West Africa, Nigeria, where I took care of malaria patients, treated them with hydroxychloroquine and stuff like that. So, I’m actually used to these medications. I’m here because I have personally treated over 350 patients with COVID. Patients that have diabetes, patients that have high blood pressure, patients that have asthma, old people … I think my oldest patient is 92 … 87-year old’s. And the result has been the same. I put them on hydroxychloroquine, I put them on zinc, I put them on Zithromax, and they’re all well.

For the past few months, after taking care of over 350 patients, we’ve not lost one.”

She was like a bolt of lightning splitting an old dead tree. We were dying, from lack of any words of hope spoken over us. And this was precisely the surprising feeling, that came over me as I listened to her: I felt hope.

And a voice carried a message from and to my own soul that I felt I should keep secret, but I confess it here. When I heard Dr. Stella Immanuel speak those words, (“…you’re going to live…”) the voice said: “She’s a Christian.”

I smiled.

All-day, every day, the Adversary has the mic, the floor, his hands around our throats– Now for the first time in ages, an actual Christian was speaking. And millions listened.

People may not have understood what it was that so affected them, made them, at least for a time, step out of chains of fear. But they listened to her with rapt attention and shared her video like wildfire.

snip

This sentence, of Dr. Immanuel’s, is extremely important. “Nobody needs to die.”

“I tell all of you doctors that are sitting down and watching Americans die. You’re like the good Nazi … the good one, the good Germans that watched Jews get killed and you did not speak up. If they come after me, they threaten me. They’ve threatened to … I mean, I’ve gotten all kinds of threats. Or they’re going to report me to the boards. I say, you know what? I don’t care. I’m not going to let Americans die. And if this is the hill where I get nailed on, I will get nailed on it. I don’t care. You can report me to the boards, you can kill me, you can do whatever, but I’m not going to let Americans die.

And today I’m here to say it, that America, there is a cure for COVID….And it is time for the grassroots to wake up and say, “No, we’re not going to take this any longer. We’re not going to die.”



http://uncoverdc.com/2020/07/30/the-targeting-of-dr-stella-immanuel/

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posted July 30, 2020 07:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dhyana     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jwhop, thanks for the article.

There's a common practice of pharmaceutical companies paying doctors for promoting their products, research, consulting and other things. Doctors make a lot of money from Big Pharma. So, I'm not at all surprised by the bias of these studies.


Dollars for Docs

http://projects.propublica.org/docdollars/

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posted July 30, 2020 07:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dhyana     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Even worse than cherry picking patients, would be giving toxic amounts of a medication. More than 30 years ago, the lethal dose of CQ was established to be 5 grams, and 4 grams is linked to very severe neurological and cardiovascular toxicity. Because CQ stays in a person’s body for a very long time, 1-2 months, doctors are cautious about the total amount used. The elderly, hospitalized, very ill patients in the high-dose group received 4.8 grams in just four days and 12 grams if they survived to the full ten days. Unsurprisingly so many people died in that group, that it had to be halted.

I find this shocking.

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posted July 30, 2020 09:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Dhyana:
[b]The Targeting of Dr. Stella Immanuel

And I hug them, and I tell them, “it’s going to be okay. You’re going to live.

Dr. Stella Immanuel

Opinion by Celia Farber

[QUOTE]Her talk in Washington DC, is now the gauntlet in what many are calling the last battle.

We all sent it to each other, through phones, emails, texts. “Have you seen this?”

I remember where I was, exactly. I saw it on JB Handley’s twitter feed, and he called her his new hero. She was one of 10 MD’s calling themselves “America’s Frontline Doctors”, who stood up like Charter 77 in Communist Czechoslovakia, put their entire careers on the line and spoke the whole truth as they know it, about Covid-19. One of them, in particular, became a global sensation.

She stood straight; head slightly tilted as though listening. She seemed to have no fear, no shame, she had a clear message, and she took her time.

“Hello, I’m Dr. Stella Immanuel. I’m a primary care physician in Houston, Texas. I actually went to medical school in West Africa, Nigeria, where I took care of malaria patients, treated them with hydroxychloroquine and stuff like that. So, I’m actually used to these medications. I’m here because I have personally treated over 350 patients with COVID. Patients that have diabetes, patients that have high blood pressure, patients that have asthma, old people … I think my oldest patient is 92 … 87-year old’s. And the result has been the same. I put them on hydroxychloroquine, I put them on zinc, I put them on Zithromax, and they’re all well.

For the past few months, after taking care of over 350 patients, we’ve not lost one.”

She was like a bolt of lightning splitting an old dead tree. We were dying, from lack of any words of hope spoken over us. And this was precisely the surprising feeling, that came over me as I listened to her: I felt hope.

And a voice carried a message from and to my own soul that I felt I should keep secret, but I confess it here. When I heard Dr. Stella Immanuel speak those words, (“…you’re going to live…”) the voice said: “She’s a Christian.”

I smiled.

All-day, every day, the Adversary has the mic, the floor, his hands around our throats– Now for the first time in ages, an actual Christian was speaking. And millions listened.

People may not have understood what it was that so affected them, made them, at least for a time, step out of chains of fear. But they listened to her with rapt attention and shared her video like wildfire.

snip

This sentence, of Dr. Immanuel’s, is extremely important. “Nobody needs to die.”

“I tell all of you doctors that are sitting down and watching Americans die. You’re like the good Nazi … the good one, the good Germans that watched Jews get killed and you did not speak up. If they come after me, they threaten me. They’ve threatened to … I mean, I’ve gotten all kinds of threats. Or they’re going to report me to the boards. I say, you know what? I don’t care. I’m not going to let Americans die. And if this is the hill where I get nailed on, I will get nailed on it. I don’t care. You can report me to the boards, you can kill me, you can do whatever, but I’m not going to let Americans die.

And today I’m here to say it, that America, there is a cure for COVID….And it is time for the grassroots to wake up and say, “No, we’re not going to take this any longer. We’re not going to die.”



http://uncoverdc.com/2020/07/30/the-targeting-of-dr-stella-immanuel/ [/B][/QUOTE]

She is pretty ballsy to come out like that and she now has a target on her back.

I hope for her sake that she has all her ducks in a row and can back up her statements, because the left is as we speak going for her jugular, and will not rest until they have made her lose her license and run her out of town.

If she has her ducks in a row, she will become a new folks' heroine. and I will be here for it.

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Well, I said Dr. Gold is intelligent..and courageous. She got fired from her ER position at the hospital for telling the truth. Intelligently, she hired attorney Lin Wood to represent her. Lin Wood is the attorney who won (2) $250,000,000 defamation suits against CNN and the Washington Post for the Covington, KY high school student.

Emergency Room Dr. Simone Gold Fired from Hospital After Attending White Coat Summit — Says She Has Hired Lin Wood to Represent Her (VIDEO)
July 31, 2020


On Thursday night Dr. Gold told Tucker Carlson that she was fired from her position after 20 years as an emergency room physician because she appeared at the White Coat Summit this week.

Dr. Simone Gold also told Tucker Carlson she has hired respected Attorney Lin Wood to represent her.

htt p://thespectator.info/2020/07/31/emergency-room-dr-simone-gold-fired-from-hospital-after-attending-white-coat-summit-says-she-has-hired-lin-wood-to-represent-her-video/

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posted July 30, 2020 11:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PhoenixRising     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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President Trump quoted Dr. Stella Immanuel on Twitter:
Covid has cure. America wake up.



Potus is going loony.
I don't trust anything from Nigeria.
But because western medicine was forced on the throats of Africans and other nations.

Lets see how it pans out.

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posted July 31, 2020 10:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Well, I said Dr. Gold is intelligent..and courageous. She got fired from her ER position at the hospital for telling the truth. Intelligently, she hired attorney Lin Wood to represent her. Lin Wood is the attorney who won (2) $250,000,000 defamation suits against CNN and the Washington Post for the Covington, KY high school student.

[b]Emergency Room Dr. Simone Gold Fired from Hospital After Attending White Coat Summit — Says She Has Hired Lin Wood to Represent Her (VIDEO)
July 31, 2020


On Thursday night Dr. Gold told Tucker Carlson that she was fired from her position after 20 years as an emergency room physician because she appeared at the White Coat Summit this week.

Dr. Simone Gold also told Tucker Carlson she has hired respected Attorney Lin Wood to represent her.

htt p://thespectator.info/2020/07/31/emergency-room-dr-simone-gold-fired-from-hospital-after-attending-white-coat-summit-says-she-has-hired-lin-wood-to-represent-her-video/ [/B]


I look forward to seeing her vindicated and having the last laugh.

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posted July 31, 2020 11:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dhyana     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Dr. Simone Gold also told Tucker Carlson she has hired respected Attorney Lin Wood to represent her.


Carlson played the HCQ doctors' video on his show recently, so a lot of people have seen it.

Smart move. Lin Wood is going to be very busy from now on. He's also representing Carter Page.

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posted July 31, 2020 11:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dhyana     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The President quoted Dr. Immanuel. He has a big megaphone. Lots more people are going to see the video.

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Originally posted by Belage:
She is pretty ballsy to come out like that and she now has a target on her back.

I hope for her sake that she has all her ducks in a row and can back up her statements, because the left is as we speak going for her jugular, and will not rest until they have made her lose her license and run her out of town.

If she has her ducks in a row, she will become a new folks' heroine. and I will be here for it.


Curiously, Black Lives Matter has been silent. I'm sure they'll be coming to her defense against capitalist Big Pharma any minute now...

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July 31, 2020
Who are the quacks spreading misinformation about COVID-19?
Jack Hellner

Ever since COVID-19 started, social media and other media outlets along with politicians and politicized bureaucrats have been repeating whatever misinformation they have been presented by doctors, so-called experts and scientists as factual, no matter how wrong they have been before. The information has been a load of crap from the start, but dictatorial, tyrannical, power-hungry governors repeat these draconian policies just follow the science. I would say "which science," because the supposed experts just keep changing their views.

What we have in the media is groupthink. As with most things, they just repeat the talking points, but the censorship of other views is very dangerous to the prosperity and freedom of the people. Every headline is that the virus is destroying the economy, but that is a lie. Most Americans have seen the economy harmed, and only 1.3% to 2% of Americans have tested positive, with a huge amount having no or minimal symptoms. We have lived through viruses every year that have affected millions more people than COVID-19, but we have never had so many politicians, bureaucrats, entertainers, educators, scientists, businessmen, and others so willing to destroy the lives of almost everyone as they pretend to care.

It is the same with climate change caused by humans. None of the dire predictions have come true over the last hundred years but the mantra and indoctrination continue as they seek to shut up anyone who disagrees. The dictatorial, fascists want government control of all aspects of our lives and the media cheers instead of doing their job which is to report the truth instead of the talking points of Democrats.

In January, the experts at the WHO spread the misinformation from China that the virus wouldn't spread human to human.

WHO haunted by old tweet saying China found no human transmission of coronavirus

The World Health Organization (WHO) is now haunted by a tweet it sent earlier this year when it cited Chinese health officials who claimed there had been no human transmissions of the novel coronavirus within the country yet.

The Jan. 14 tweet came less than two months before WHO declared COVID-19 to be a global pandemic.

"Preliminary investigations conducted by the Chinese authorities have found no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission of the novel #coronavirus (2019-nCoV) identified in #Wuhan, #China," the organization had said.

In January, February, and March, Dr. Anthony Fauci and other health experts spread the misinformation that the risk of COVID-19 was minuscule.

Top disease official: Risk of coronavirus in USA is 'minuscule'; skip mask and wash hands

In early and late March, doctors and experts from CDC and WHO told us not to wear masks. So after hundreds and thousands of years of viruses, we were told not to wear masks, and all of a sudden, masks are the cure? That is idiotic to believe that.

U.S. health officials say Americans shouldn't wear face masks to prevent coronavirus — here are 3 other reasons not to wear them

...and...

WHO stands by recommendation to not wear masks if you are not sick or not caring for someone who is sick

In March, we were lied to by Dr. Fauci and others that the mortality rate would be many multiples of the seasonal flu. It is not.

Fauci's Fatal Formula: COVID-19 Death Rate 10 Times Flu

On March 9, Dr Fauci said it was perfectly OK to go on cruise ships. Soon we were told how dangerous they were, and they all were shut down.

COVID-19 Travel Update: Fauci Says Cruising Is OK If You Are Healthy

In mid-March, with no scientific evidence, we were told that hundreds of millions would get the disease, and millions would die.

The coronavirus could kill millions of Americans: 'Do the math,' immunization specialist says

In early May, with no scientific evidence, we were told that by the end of May, 200,000 people per day would be getting the disease and 3,000 people would be dying per day. The dire predictions were false.

We've been told that cases would spike when Wisconsin reopened because Republicans beat the Democrats in court and because of in-person voting. The predictions were 100% wrong.

We were told that the big gatherings in the Ozarks on Memorial Day weekend would cause a big spike. The predictions were largely wrong.

We were told that Trump's rally in Tulsa would cause a big spike. The predictions were largely wrong.

We were told that Trump's rally at Mount Rushmore would cause a big spike. The predictions were 100% wrong.

The spikes were all supposed to occur because few wore masks, there was little social distancing, and the crowds were big. It was all a load of bunk!

Models Project Sharp Rise in Deaths as States Reopen

For months, we were told not only that COVID-19 would spread easily from surfaces but how long it would last on each surface. They clearly made that up. They never had scientific evidence to support that.

The coronavirus 'does not spread easily' from touching surfaces or objects, CDC says

For months we have been told that millions of people with no symptoms have been out spreading the disease. They just made that up. There never was scientific evidence of that or that children are actively spreading the disease but schools remain closed.

We don't actually have that answer yet': WHO clarifies comments on asymptomatic spread of Covid-19

A top World Health Organization official clarified on Tuesday that scientists have not determined yet how frequently people with asymptomatic cases of Covid-19 pass the disease on to others, a day after suggesting that such spread is "very rare."

CDC just makes up additional numbers, with no scientific evidence and the media just repeats it as if the numbers are factual to scare the public.

CDC chief says coronavirus cases may be 10 times higher than reported

But if any doctor agrees with Trump and wants the economy to reopen, the herd of Democrat campaign workers, posing as journalists ,start censoring and seeking to destroy them. The public is not allowed to see opposing views which disagree with whatever current load of garbage that is being used to indoctrinate and scare the people into submission. Look at this nonsense.

How Quack Doctors And Powerful GOP Operatives Spread Misinformation To Millions

And it's since led to bona fide censorship. Seems an honest doctor can no longer testify about what he or she sees with his or her own eyes.

YouTube Now Censoring Doctors Who Question Govt? Dave Rubin Responds | MEDIA | Rubin Report

Isn't it time to report competing views instead of having the sole goal to defeat Trump and to elect the corrupt, incompetent Biden?

http://americanthinker.com/blog/2020/07/who_are_the_quacks_spreading_mis information_about_covid19.html

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Randall
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posted July 31, 2020 09:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This tool couldn't admit that "protests" spread the virus.

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posted July 31, 2020 11:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dhyana     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The way Covid has been handled by so-called experts looks like a major psyop on the American people.

It's also a cautionary tale about the danger and the harm of group think, which appears to have infected the entire world.

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posted July 31, 2020 11:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Randall:
This tool couldn't admit that "protests" spread the virus.

Incredible that Fauci gives advise to every other person on planet earth about coronavirus but, it's hands off democrat voters...otherwise known as rioters, looters, arsonists and insurrectionists.

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posted July 31, 2020 11:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

quote:
Originally posted by Dhyana:
The way Covid has been handled by so-called experts looks like a major psyop on the American people.

It's also a cautionary tale about the danger and the harm of group think, which appears to have infected the entire world.


Turns out the 'expert class' are total screw-ups. And, it's not as though SARS/covid is a 'novel virus'.

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posted August 01, 2020 12:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dhyana     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dr. Stella Emmanuel's Twitter account has been temporarily suspended due to what the tech company says is a violation of their "Covid misinformation policy."

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/jul/30/twitter-suspends-stella-immanuel-doctor-who-claims/

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