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Dhyana
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posted August 03, 2020 09:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dhyana     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What could possibly go wrong?

@TaylerUSA

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I just found out my grandpa, a lifetime Republican is voting Democrat this fall...

This would’ve never happened if he were still alive!



http://twitter.com/TaylerUSA/status/1289959643880407042

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teasel
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posted August 03, 2020 12:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't understand. If he actually received notice of something, and absentee voting hasn't been confirmed for everyone yet, this would be true anyway. Since his grandpa can't actually show up to vote at a polling place - and nobody at his house will be filling out an absentee ballot - it wouldn't affect anything.

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Dhyana
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posted August 03, 2020 02:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dhyana     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Chaos in New York Is a Warning

The first large-scale test of mail-in voting in the pandemic has left one in five New Yorkers with their votes tossed out.

More than a month after New York’s June 23 primary elections, state election officials are still counting votes. In some legislative districts, they haven’t even started counting absentee votes. In the best-case scenario, election officials hope to declare winners by the first Tuesday in August—six weeks after Election Day. It might take a lot longer than that. Election officials in New York City have already invalidated upwards of 100,000 absentee ballots—about one of every five that were mailed in from the five boroughs. And furious candidates are already filing lawsuits charging discrimination and disenfranchisement.

The chaos in New York is a warning about November’s elections: Voting is being transformed by the pandemic. But no state has built new election infrastructure. No state has the time or the money to make sure vote-counting will go smoothly in November. And just about every state is about to be hit with a massive surge of absentee ballots.

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“This is what happens,” a New York election official told me over the phone last week, “when you jury-rig a system that hasn’t been designed or implemented or tested before.”


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posted August 04, 2020 01:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for etherealsaturn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There is no way I'm voting by mail. I would rather wait in a distanced line for 8 hours than send my vote through the usps.

There is also no reason this would need to be required either. If we can all go out to stores and make purchases, we can go vote.

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posted August 04, 2020 05:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dhyana     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@realDonaldTrump:

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Whether you call it Vote by Mail or Absentee Voting, in Florida the election system is Safe and Secure, Tried and True. Florida’s Voting system has been cleaned up (we defeated Democrats attempts at change), so in Florida I encourage all to request a Ballot & Vote by Mail!

@prayingmedic:

Art.
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http://twitter.com/prayingmedic/status/1290705258780323840

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posted August 04, 2020 05:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dhyana     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by etherealsaturn:


There is also no reason this would need to be required either. If we can all go out to stores and make purchases, we can go vote.


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Dhyana
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posted August 05, 2020 08:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dhyana     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nevada Democrats' Midnight Run on Election Integrity

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Bills that genuinely promote the common good typically don’t get rushed to passage under the cover of night on strict party-line votes. Yet that’s what Nevada Democrats have done with an “election reform” measure they just pushed through an emergency special session of the state legislature.

Nevada Gov. Steve Sisolak and his legislative allies claim the 100-page bill, the crux of which is an unprecedented expansion of mail-in voting and an allowance for “ballot harvesting,” is a necessary safety precaution in the face of the COVID-19 epidemic. In reality, it’s a blatantly partisan attempt to radically overhaul Nevada’s elections in a way that blows the door wide open to widespread voter fraud.

The bill, which the governor (pictured) signed into law on Monday, includes a number of changes that severely undermine the security of elections in this key swing state. It requires that all active voters receive a mail ballot, whether they’ve requested one or not. It provides that ballots received by election officials without a postmark for up to three days after Election Day be considered valid by default. It allows ballot harvesting on a broad scale, and for multiple ballots to be submitted in a single envelope with only a single signature required on the envelope, and no signature requirement for the enclosed individual ballots, leaving it to the discretion of election officials to decide whether the votes should count. It allows for an individual to sign a ballot on another’s behalf. And it allows for drop boxes for collecting ballots with no signature requirement — which is an even more dangerous form of ballot harvesting, which conventionally at least requires a signature.

Curiously, the same bill also provides for a huge expansion of in-person voting sites — indeed, the greatest number of sites in history for Clark County, the largest county in the state. As the experiences this year of states such as Wisconsin, Florida, and many others have shown, voting in person can indeed be done safely. And Nevada’s secretary of state has said that Nevada can hold in-person elections safely, while allowing for those who are concerned about health risks to request an absentee ballot. Yet this bill’s in-person voting expansion completely undercuts the Democrats’ argument for such a huge increase in mail-in voting — namely, that in-person voting during the COVID crisis creates an unacceptable health hazard.

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Given how fraught this bill is with problems, and how hypocritical they’re proving themselves to be on this issue, it’s no wonder Nevada’s Democrats, who control not only the governor’s office but both legislative houses as well, never showed the contents of the bill to either the secretary of state or Republican lawmakers before moving it forward, nor did they allow members of the public to be present for the weekend midnight session.

All of this adds up to strong reason for Nevadans to be gravely concerned about the integrity of their vote this November. There has been a long-standing, bipartisan recognition that mail-in voting dramatically increases the risk of voter fraud. A 2005 bipartisan report of the Commission on Federal Election Reform, chaired by Jimmy Carter and James Baker III, concluded, among other things, that “vote buying schemes are far more difficult to detect when citizens vote by mail.” And none other than the New York Times acknowledged just a few years ago that “there is a bipartisan consensus that voting by mail ... is more easily abused than other forms.” Recent cases of mass fraud in North Carolina and other states have only validated those concerns further.


President Trump and the feds will challenge Nevada in Court.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/08/05/nevad a_democrats_midnight_run_on_election_integrity_143876.html

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Dhyana
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posted August 06, 2020 04:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dhyana     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
1000s Of Mail-In Ballots Once Deemed Invalid Now Ordered To Be Counted In NYC

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A multitude of ballots intended for the New York June 23 election were deemed invalid due to not having postmarks or arriving at offices after the election — a federal judge ordered Monday these thousands of rule-breaking ballots must be counted.

As reported by the New York Post, thousands of the once-disqualified ballots had pre-paid postage yet were never postmarked, which election law then deems invalid.

Many of the votes had arrived after the deadline, as well.

“When voters have been provided with absentee ballots and assured that their votes on those ballots will be counted, the state cannot ignore a later discovered, systemic problem that arbitrarily renders those ballots invalid,” Torres wrote in her ruling that essentially throws election laws out the window in favor of chaotic, count-anything policies.


http://www.zerohedge.com/political/1000s-mail-ballots-once-deemed-invalid-now-ordered-be-counted-nyc

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posted August 07, 2020 01:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dhyana     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@GOP Chairwoman:

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Another legal win for the RNC @ TeamTrump – this time in North Carolina. A federal court just upheld state law, rejecting Democrats’ attacks on voting safeguards and their attempt to legalize ballot harvesting.

http://twitter.com/GOPChairwoman/status/1291564881821474816

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posted August 07, 2020 08:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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posted August 07, 2020 10:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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posted August 07, 2020 10:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That meme is ridiculous.

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teasel
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posted August 08, 2020 04:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
He is deliberately working to suppress the vote, and you're all on board, because it's him.

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Dhyana
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posted August 08, 2020 07:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dhyana     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
28 Million Mail-In Ballots Went Missing in Last Four Elections

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Although there is no evidence that the millions of missing ballots were used fraudulently, the Public Interest Legal Foundation, which compiled the public data provided from the Election Assistance Commission, says that the sheer volume of them raises serious doubts about election security.

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A significant increase in mail-in voting this fall could greatly incentivize “ballot harvesting,” where third parties collect mail-in ballots on behalf of voters and deliver them to election officials. There’s long been a consensus that such a practice incentivizes fraud, and ballot harvesting is illegal in most of the country....

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To illustrate the risk, Churchwell notes that in 2016 Hillary Clinton won the popular vote by garnering over 2.8 million more votes than Donald Trump. But nearly 6 million unaccounted mail-in ballots were never counted in 2016, more than twice her margin in the popular vote. The potential to affect elections by chasing down unused mail-in ballots and make sure they get counted – using methods that may or may not be legal – is great.

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The inherent problems of mail-in voting are being widely ignored, however. Use of mail-in ballots more than doubled from 24.9 million in 2004 to 57.2 million in 2016, and around 40% of U.S. votes are now done by mail. Along with this dramatic increase there have been virtually no new safeguards, scrutiny, or additional research on the risks of vote by mail. If the current pandemic is going to force the issue during a presidential election, proponents of voting by mail may have to address obvious risks that come with proposing that more than 200 million ballots be mailed out this fall.


http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/04/24/28_million_mail-in_ballots_went_missing_in_last_four_elections_143033.html#!

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posted August 09, 2020 01:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dhyana     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Las Vegas: 223,469 Mail-In Ballots Bounced as ‘Undeliverable’ in Recent Primary Election

http://needtoknow.news/2020/08/las-vegas-223469-mail-in-ballots-bounced-as-undeliverable-in-recent-primary-election/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=las-vegas-223469-mai l-in-ballots-bounced-as-undeliverable-in-recent-primary-election

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posted August 12, 2020 07:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/08/12/conspiracy-steal-election-folks-alarms-sound-after-postal-worker-reports-removal

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posted August 13, 2020 11:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/08/13/just-comes-right-out-and-says-it-trump-declares-postal-service-cant-handle-mail


'Just Comes Out and Says It': Trump Declares Postal Service Can't Handle Mail-In Voting Because He's Blocking Funding

"This is crazy by any standard. The president of the United States is actively trying to sabotage the election."

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posted August 13, 2020 05:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dhyana     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Trump says he is refusing additional post office funding as part of his fight against mail-in voting

In other words, the USPO isn't getting $3.5 billion to do universal vote by mail. Checkmate on Democrats' scheme to steal the 2020 presidential election.

http://www.cnbc.com/2020/08/13/trump-refuses-post-office-funding- as-part-of-fight-against-mail-in-voting.html

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posted August 13, 2020 05:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dhyana     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Fauci Won’t Endorse Mail-In Voting: That’s ‘Going To Be Used As A Sound Bite’

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When asked whether mail-in voting is safer during the pandemic, Fauci declined to answer “because that almost certainly is going to be used as a sound bite.”

Fauci said Americans could go to voting booths in November if they’re careful, and recommended polling locations operate like grocery stores and shops.

“I don’t see any reason why, if people maintain that type of physical distancing, wearing a mask and washing hands—why you cannot, at least where I vote, go to a place and vote,” Fauci said.


http://www.forbes.com/sites/jackbrews ter/2020/08/07/fauci-wont-endorse-mail-in-voting-thats-going-to-be-used-as-a-soundbite/#632fc6e7395c

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posted August 14, 2020 07:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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1% of 100 is 1. 1% of a million is 10,000. 1% of 150 million is 1.5 million. They’re all 1%, but of those, one is far more impactful to this country. Voting affects every single citizen in this country, including the ones not even born yet.

Statistics don’t lie, but liars use statistics. They’re easy to use to lend credence to one’s assertions.

Mail voting is ripe for fraud, especially when shoehorned in mere months before a major election cycle. It’s already been shown to be an unacceptable method in cities and counties around the country, both in time and accuracy.

Mail voting can possibly be done, but only after a transition period, and rigorous measures have been tested to ensure the sanctity of the process. When you have national politicians pushing to remove voter protections such as signature verification, voter ID, and postage verification, I am immediately suspicious of their motives. I’m also suspicious of politicians that dangle financial relief to their own constituents just out of reach, holding that money hostage until they get this cobbled and unreliable method funded.

I will be voting in person, come hell or high water. I live in a state that extended early voting, which has always been the correct solution.

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posted August 16, 2020 10:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dhyana     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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1% of 100 is 1. 1% of a million is 10,000. 1% of 150 million is 1.5 million. They’re all 1%, but of those, one is far more impactful to this country. Voting affects every single citizen in this country, including the ones not even born yet.

Statistics don’t lie, but liars use statistics. They’re easy to use to lend credence to one’s assertions.

Mail voting is ripe for fraud, especially when shoehorned in mere months before a major election cycle. It’s already been shown to be an unacceptable method in cities and counties around the country, both in time and accuracy.

Mail voting can possibly be done, but only after a transition period, and rigorous measures have been tested to ensure the sanctity of the process. When you have national politicians pushing to remove voter protections such as signature verification, voter ID, and postage verification, I am immediately suspicious of their motives. I’m also suspicious of politicians that dangle financial relief to their own constituents just out of reach, holding that money hostage until they get this cobbled and unreliable method funded.

I will be voting in person, come hell or high water. I live in a state that extended early voting, which has always been the correct solution.


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posted August 16, 2020 10:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dhyana     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Crowd of protesters targets postmaster general’s home as mail-in voting crisis looms | Just The News


http://twitter.com/jsolomonReports/status/1294757958484742147

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posted August 16, 2020 10:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dhyana     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@Kenneth M. Cobb:

They can protest in person but not vote in person.

Why don't they just tell the truth and stop faking.

They want to cheat to steal the election, and Trump won't let them. End of story!

http://twitter.com/KennethMCobb1/status/1294772321153097728

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posted August 16, 2020 11:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dhyana     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Major US postal workers union endorses Biden for president

http://apnews.com/2eb0459bf4cd01838a6e75cc4ca5cece

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