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Topic: Abortion and IVF
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Voix_de_la_Mer
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From: Sound
Registered: Aug 2011
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posted November 15, 2020 04:34 PM
  
I know this can be a hot-button topic, but I'm not looking to start abortion debate. What I'm interested in is whether your opinion on abortion differs from your opinion on IVF. For example, if you feel abortion is wrong because it is interfering with nature or god, do you also feel the same way about IVF? I've thought about this for a long time. I'm pro-choice within reason, but IVF makes me uncomfortable. IP: Logged |
teasel
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posted November 15, 2020 08:11 PM
I have a friend who has twins, thanks to IVF, after trying to get pregnant for years. I'm not opposed to it. IP: Logged |
PhoenixRising
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posted November 15, 2020 11:50 PM
It doesn't matter how life is conceived in my opinion as long as the two partners are communicating with each other , telepathy or other means. DNA exchange is simply exchange of DNA program codes between the male egg and the female. Mostly the male transfers a bulk of the code. But the delivery should be through natural birth canals. Survival rate is higher then. I don't think science is able to mimic a natural womb. Soul is 100% completely formed when the fifth element, air is breathed in by the new born. Life is not confined to anyone's definition. We live in a magical world and anything is possible.
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SecretGeek
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From: Dallas
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posted November 16, 2020 12:01 AM
It can make males obsolete because semen can be frozen in nitrogen and one male can produce enough semen for numerous offspring with only one ejaculation.In a year, one male might could father the world. So it could make men obsolete, if men are not already. I think it could be generally bad for the survival of a species. Men likely have a design trait that is not known yet so they are always in demand. I don't think it would be morally wrong as long as the male's will in question was knowingly in agreement but I would have to study it more. IP: Logged |
Voix_de_la_Mer
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posted November 16, 2020 06:20 AM
Great answers and food for thought, thank you.Teasel, I have often thought on your friend's situation, and I know IVF brings a lot of happiness to people who can't conceive naturally.
I guess that's where I am conflicted. I wouldn't seek to deny anyone the opportunity to start a family, but I've often thought that if I couldn't conceive then I would adopt, but that's not for everyone. Phoenix, I like your opinion that life is life, however it is conceived, in theory. However I feel that IVF may be enforcing life that would not have occurred naturally - does that make it bad? I guess not. But that's what makes me uncomfortable.
I think it may be because it is similar to 'cloning', which makes me VERY uncomfortable (way more than IVF). Secretgeek, making males obsolete is an interesting point which I never considered before. And one that's quite frightening. If there is a balance or natural law to upset, then I guess in terms of reproduction, making males obsolete would be the epitome of that imbalance.
Although in saying that, I don't know for sure, but I would imagine that a large proportion of people who seek IVF involve a male, whether it is a male same sex relationship or a heterosexual male/female relationship. What do you mean by "Men likely have a design trait that is not known yet"? IP: Logged |
SecretGeek
Knowflake Posts: 2642
From: Dallas
Registered: Nov 2013
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posted November 16, 2020 06:32 AM
"What do you mean by "Men likely have a design trait that is not known yet"?"
Our bodies were designed perfectly.
They're masterpieces. That tells me men will always be required because of design. For example, it could be men provide a seminal chemical representing the fountain of youth. I think it costs $25 per gram on Amazon last I checked. ----------------------------------------- The Chemical Spermidine In Semen Can Make You Live Longer
http://www.elitedaily.com/dating/sex/semen-spermidine-live-longer/1696603
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Voix_de_la_Mer
Moderator Posts: 2827
From: Sound
Registered: Aug 2011
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posted November 16, 2020 07:40 AM
edit (didn't read properly!)IP: Logged |
Belage
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Registered: Apr 2009
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posted November 16, 2020 08:27 AM
Though I would never choose this option for myself, I don't have an issue with people doing IVF.Since women are postponing childbirth and we are also inundated with pollutants, fertility has been declining so IVF often becomes the go to must for many couples who yearn for children. As long as those children are welcome and loved, I don't see an issue. IP: Logged |
Voix_de_la_Mer
Moderator Posts: 2827
From: Sound
Registered: Aug 2011
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posted November 16, 2020 08:34 AM
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Originally posted by Belage:
Though I would never choose this option for myself, I don't have an issue with people doing IVF.Since women are postponing childbirth and we are also inundated with pollutants, fertility has been declining so IVF often becomes the go to must for many couples who yearn for children. As long as those children are welcome and loved, I don't see an issue.
Good points Belage. And I imagine many children conceived through IVF are very wanted and loved. You hear people speak of their 'miracle baby'. I'm interested in why you wouldn't consider IVF an option for yourself? IP: Logged |
teasel
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posted November 16, 2020 06:06 PM
Voix, I'm not keen on cloning, either. Also, you are a breath of fresh air to this forum. Yesterday, I asked a friend why nobody called me an idiot, for not avoiding this forum. Aside from the fact that they are really polite, and kind. IP: Logged |
MonteCristo
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posted November 16, 2020 07:51 PM
I think the main difference is, one destroys life, while the other creates it.IP: Logged |
Belage
Knowflake Posts: 3500
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posted November 16, 2020 09:14 PM
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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
Good points Belage. And I imagine many children conceived through IVF are very wanted and loved. You hear people speak of their 'miracle baby'.I'm interested in why you wouldn't consider IVF an option for yourself?
I am a bit of a natural freak, and I would not subject my body to all those drugs and hormones the woman must take to go through IVF. It is just a personal choice that mirrors how I handle my body, but I pass no judgement on those who choose otherwise. IP: Logged |
Voix_de_la_Mer
Moderator Posts: 2827
From: Sound
Registered: Aug 2011
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posted November 17, 2020 04:14 AM
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Originally posted by teasel:
Voix, I'm not keen on cloning, either. Also, you are a breath of fresh air to this forum. Yesterday, I asked a friend why nobody called me an idiot, for not avoiding this forum. Aside from the fact that they are really polite, and kind.
Uch, that's a nice thing to say Teasel. I'm not sure everyone agrees  But I'm enjoying many of the discussions! IP: Logged |
Voix_de_la_Mer
Moderator Posts: 2827
From: Sound
Registered: Aug 2011
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posted November 17, 2020 04:19 AM
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Originally posted by MonteCristo:
I think the main difference is, one destroys life, while the other creates it.
This is very true MonteCristo, on the overarching level.
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Voix_de_la_Mer
Moderator Posts: 2827
From: Sound
Registered: Aug 2011
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posted November 17, 2020 04:19 AM
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Originally posted by Belage:
I am a bit of a natural freak, and I would not subject my body to all those drugs and hormones the woman must take to go through IVF. It is just a personal choice that mirrors how I handle my body, but I pass no judgement on those who choose otherwise.
Ah I see, that makes sense. IP: Logged |
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