posted November 23, 2020 02:42 PM            

But yes, I mostly agree, masks are not as effective as mainstream media and government tends to portray.

If I was around an elderly person or a seriously immune compromised person, I would wear a mask to slightly reduce risks and more so to make them feel better, but otherwise, I think that most of us would benefit from getting it and developing herd immunity if we are not in that high risk, low percentage of population.

And having had a number of nonphysical experiences over the years--I don't see what all the fuss about death is. For most, its a release into a far lighter, happier, far less limited, and more lovely existence. Knowing what I know, I really look forward to dropping the body (especially if its frail, suffering and breaking down).

My grandmother, who has many health issues and is suffering, and who misses my grandfather who passed about a year and half ago, has told me herself a little while back, that she hopes that she can pass soon. She is tired of this life.

If she does, and say she passes from or with Covid, should I "rage" against the evil Covid? Should I be sad? Distraught? Or should I thank it for helping her to gain the release that she desires? We used to call pneumonia the "friend of the elderly". How have we gotten so far from the spiritual awareness that death is not something to be feared and hated, but that its just a birth into a different and new life?

So much about life is about perspective. And there is almost always a higher one to be gained.

posted November 23, 2020 03:04 PM            

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In March and April, the experts were saying masks don’t work, so few wore them. Now we have close to 100 percent compliance, and cases are surging. We have 5 times more daily cases than in the spring, but we have half as many deaths. That’s about a 90 percent reduction in mortality.

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The virus has mutated to a less lethal form, which is typical of a virulent life cycle of any virus. So mortality rates are pretty flat now. Notice how the media isn't raging anymore abt the death numbers (which were way exaggerated anyway)? But to still keep people under the grip of fear, they're now hyping up just the case numbers, so now it's a *casedemic*, instead of an epidemic or pandemic. The case numbers of course are based on a PCR test set to above 35 cycles which makes any test useless. It's to keep up the hoax.

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A few months ago in CA, with the mask mandate in place, they were seeing a surge in "cases" among politicians, who were wearing them as required. So it's all rubbish if you ask me...the connection between masks & positive cases.

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And yes, when covid started foxy actually said that masks don't help, then he flip flopped & mandated them, to create cognitive dissonance...deliberately. He's a scientist with ample experience w the flu viruses, so doesn't he know which side he's on?

posted November 23, 2020 04:18 PM            

The history of modern, western medicine is quite interesting if one does a deep dive. It is very strongly connected to the Rockefeller family and their rise to Oligarchy in the latter 1800's. The irony being that while John D advocated publicly for the use of modern western medicine as we know it, he personally was treated by a naturopath type healer if I remember correctly.

posted November 23, 2020 06:28 PM            

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Originally posted by Linda Jones:
Yes, the virus has lost it's virulence, that's why mortality has flattened. Which means now the world is developing herd immunity to it, & that's how it shld be. Staying in lockdowns & social distancing etc, delay herd immunity, which is another aspect of the plan. They don't want people to get herd immunity, bc it negates the need for a vax

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posted November 23, 2020 07:57 PM            

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Trying to get herd immunity this way, kills millions of people, and still is in no way guaranteed, because immunity doesn’t last very long.

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posted November 23, 2020 07:59 PM            

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That’s why ICU beds are full again, and more people are dying?

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posted November 23, 2020 08:16 PM            

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Also, just because one person is asymptomatic, or handles it just fine, doesn’t mean that someone else will be, if it’s passed through them to others. That’s the whole point of being careful.

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The whole point of being careful is not to lock yourself away, but to go out in the sunshine, breathe in oxygen from the air...we're an oxygen species, we *need* oxygen *all the time* (another reason why masks are harmful...they lower oxygen levels within 10 seconds of putting them on), exercise regularly, eat fresh produce, get 8 hrs of sleep & take all steps to boost your terrain, ie your body's immunity...for all this you'll have to do leg work to research what exactly is good for the body...which you don't want to do bc you'd rather someone just hand it all to you on a platter, Until then you'll just nitpick everyone else whose ideas are different than yours

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What exactly does asymptomatic mean, do you know? Or is it another foxy term you've picked up?

posted November 24, 2020 09:14 AM            

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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
With an estimated average incubation period of 5 days, people can be asymptomatic, yet contagious for 5 days. This is the reason to test apparently healthy people.
http://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/10/8/e039652

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posted November 24, 2020 09:32 AM            

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Yes, i know what the journals & the public health officials are saying.
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If we follow their logic, then then next obvious question is - why aren't they doing "asymptomatic" testing for the 250 different flu viruses, all of which pretty much have the same incubation period & kill the same number of people every year as has covid? Yet people have *never* been tested for the flu virus during the incubation period. Why not? What makes covid so different when the mortality rate is the same as the flu?
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What are your personal thoughts abt this?

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Linda, you seem to be implying that the British Medical Journal's published research is more biased than any other medical journal. It is not, ALL published research is at risk of various forms of bias. What is your criteria for determining what published research has value?

My personal thoughts are: immunity and vaccines. The public has immunity to many different viruses, but not COVID-19. Not all viruses are equal. Few people die from the common cold, however the elderly and those with health problems are at risk of dying from the flu which progresses to pneumonia or causes other complications with their health conditions. In the UK a yearly flu vaccine is available to those most at risk of dying from the flu. There is no vaccine as yet for COVID-19.

The flu is nothing to be trifled with if you are elderly or in poor health, or even if you are healthy and 'unlucky'. I personally was almost hospitalised in my mid twenties with no underlying health conditions with flu which progressed to pneumonia. My friend's brother who, at the time was in his forties, ended up in intensive care after the flu progressed to pneumonia. He had no health conditions.

posted November 24, 2020 10:48 AM            

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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
Linda, you seem to be implying that the British Medical Journal's published research is more biased than any other medical journal. It is not, ALL published research is at risk of various forms of bias. What is your criteria for determining what published research has value?

My personal thoughts are: immunity and vaccines. The public has immunity to many different viruses, but not COVID-19. Not all viruses are equal. Few people die from the common cold, however the elderly and those with health problems are at risk of dying from the flu which progresses to pneumonia or causes other complications with their health conditions. In the UK a yearly flu vaccine is available to those most at risk of dying from the flu. There is no vaccine as yet for COVID-19.

The flu is nothing to be trifled with if you are elderly or in poor health, or even if you are healthy and 'unlucky'. I personally was almost hospitalised in my mid twenties with no underlying health conditions with flu which progressed to pneumonia. My friend's brother who, at the time was in his forties, ended up in intensive care after the flu progressed to pneumonia. He had no health conditions.

So, short version: lack of immunity in the population and no vaccine for those most vulnerable to serious disease from COVID-19. Herd immunity strategy without a safe vaccine for the most vulnerable puts the most vulnerable at risk. You can't morally take no measures in the meantime when we know there are people who are at risk of dying.

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Viox, I'm in no way implying anything abt the validity of *any* scientific journal. I said i know what they & the public health officials are saying, meaning i know what their definition of asymptomatic is. But to answer your question...

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"What is your criteria for determining what published research has value?"

...that the study shld not be funded by *any* arm of the elite (including bill gates, rockefeller foundation, any arm of nwo organization & *any* pharmaceutical company). I haven't looked into the background of who funded the bmj article you posted, that's why i wasn't implying anything one way or another

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I completely understand your personal concerns with loved ones & the elderly in your family.
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You said the public has immunity to many different viruses. Assuming that immunity develops over time...have you thought about why, in the history of viruses, no one has ever been tested in the asymptomatic stage of infection with the flu? Bc the public may have immunity to many viruses, yet we still have people dying from influenza every year. One wld think that by now, after 70 yrs of the flu virus being around, the health officials wld have decided to pre-emptively start testing asymptomatic carriers to cut down on the annual flu deaths, don't you think?

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We're now into 10 or 11 months of covid. Per the cdc data, mortality from covid has flattened. There are reports that those who've had the common cold in the past already have immunity to covid. There are other reports that the majority of the population is already immune to covid, bc coronaviruses are not new to humanity. They've been around

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"My personal thoughts are: immunity and vaccines.

When you say immunity do you mean only immunity from antibodies generated from exposure to a pathogen, or are you also including the health of the body generated from minimizing environmental exposure to industry/commercial generated toxins in air, water & food, as well as emf exposure? (i posted information on how 5G increases susceptibility to covid)

posted November 24, 2020 11:08 AM            

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Viox, I'm in no way implying anything abt the validity of *any* scientific journal. I said i know what they & the public health officials are saying, meaning i know what their definition of asymptomatic is. But to answer your question...

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[b]"What is your criteria for determining what published research has value?"

...that the study shld not be funded by *any* arm of the elite (including bill gates, rockefeller foundation, any arm of nwo organization & *any* pharmaceutical company). I haven't looked into the background of who funded the bmj article you posted, that's why i wasn't implying anything one way or another

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I completely understand your personal concerns with loved ones & the elderly in your family.
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You said the public has immunity to many different viruses. Assuming that immunity develops over time...have you thought about why, in the history of viruses, no one has ever been tested in the asymptomatic stage of infection with the flu? Bc the public may have immunity to many viruses, yet we still have people dying from influenza every year. One wld think that by now, after 70 yrs of the flu virus being around, the health officials wld have decided to pre-emptively start testing asymptomatic carriers to cut down on the annual flu deaths, don't you think?

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We're now into 10 or 11 months of covid. Per the cdc data, mortality from covid has flattened. There are reports that those who've had the common cold in the past already have immunity to covid. There are other reports that the majority of the population is already immune to covid, bc coronaviruses are not new to humanity. They've been around

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"My personal thoughts are: immunity and vaccines.

When you say immunity do you mean only immunity from antibodies generated from exposure to a pathogen, or are you also including the health of the body generated from minimizing environmental exposure to industry/commercial generated toxins in air, water & food, as well as emf exposure? (i posted information on how 5G increases susceptibility to covid)

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Also, are you of the opinion that the body's natural leaning is toward ill health (so we're just forced to face, with fear & resignation the body's decline into ill health) or do you think the biology of the body is such that it has the capacity to renew & regenerate given a clean environment - air, water, food, & no emf especially 5G/6G?
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Don't mean to come across as picking your brain, but i'm curious bc you're obviously very intelligent. So i want to understand fully where you're coming from...*without* implying anything or making assumptions abt anything 😊[/B]

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I don't think you are picking at all Linda, I enjoy discussions with different viewpoints to consider and I don't consider myself an expert on any of this.

We don't have to test asymptomatic carriers of the flu virus because there is a vaccine to protect those at risk, and presumably not enough deaths in healthy people to justify the cost.

The difference with COVID-19 is that there is no vaccine to protect those known to be at at risk of serious disease or complications.

I do believe in the body's ability to heal itself. I mean, the immune system is essentially that in terms of in-built defences against disease. Another example is that if it weren't for the brain's production of natural painkillers, we would all be in pain right now - having a body hurts! But the brain produces chemicals, similar to opioids (I think) which mean we do not feel pain from normal bodily functions. The body is a marvel for sure. And there is likely a lot we still have to learn about just what the body an brain are capable of. But until we do, we have to work with what we know and take only calculated risks to avoid being counterproductive.

A healthy lifestyle is of course the best defence against all manner of illnesses. 5G? I'm on the fence. Although I don't avoid it altogether, I try not to go down too many rabbit holes as it can get very difficult after a certain point to separate the wheat from the chaff and verify anything.

posted November 24, 2020 11:29 AM            

This is why when I started to get Covid symptoms back in March, I upped intake of highly alkalizing foods and drink (kale, coconut water, mixed green salads without white vingear, washing soda [sodium carbonate] and herbal teas in water, etc) and stopped eating acid forming foods, and literally within a day and a half of first starting to feel symptoms, I was completely over whatever infection I had.

Edgar Cayce's guidance focused A LOT on the extreme important of acid-alkaline balance in health and healing. Almost always, in cases of illness, disease, etc they recommended at least a slightly alkaline reacting diet and in many cases recommended the 80-20 rule--80% of the diet to be alkaline forming foods to 20% acid forming. This is because virtually every metabolic process in the body creates acids as byproducts, and the SAD is highly acid forming.

No offense Voix, but the Scots, like the Americans, are not known for their stellar diets and health habits. The standard/common diet over there is rather acid forming in nature and tendency as well.

Granted, an acid forming diet is a more warming diet all in all compared to an alkaline forming one, which is more cooling. So in places that have more severe winters, in the winter time IF you're spending a fair amount of time outside in the elements, it makes more sense to eat more acid forming foods (like meat, most grains, cheese, etc) as long as you're also balancing it out some with more highly alkaline reacting foods.

A pre modern Inuit for example, would be hard pressed to thrive well on an alkaline forming diet high in vegetables and fruits. It's too cooling. They need all that concentrated protein and fat to help them stay warm.

Btw, I am well aware that most human bodies do a very good job of maintaining a slightly alkaline/base pH of about 7.4 in the blood and of course the stomach is very acid (to help break down proteins). We're also talking ones tissues, fat (toxins get stored in fat), lymph fluids, etc which the body has a harder time regulating the pH of vs say the blood and stomach.

And when you eat more alkaline forming diet, it helps the body to more easily maintain the that all important narrow, slightly alkaline pH of the blood. Some alternative health researchers believe that the osteoporosis epidemic in parts of the west is linked to the common strongly acid forming diets here. And that the body will literally leach calcium and magnesium (alkaline/positively charged) from the bones (thus weakening them) in order to maintain that all important blood pH.

When one has a reserve or load of alkaline minerals in the body, it makes it easier for the body to maintain that pH. Again, some adjustment can happen through breathing, but that is a very temporary and wavering process.

I've been testing these theories on myself for almost the last two decades and a half. I get sick far, far less than most people I know, when I do rarely get sick, I stay sick for far less long. I have nipped so many burgeoning infections in the bud by increasing alkalization.

Not surprisingly, considering the nature of big Pharma, there is has been very little research done on these topics. I mean other than the price of basic food, this whole thing is completely free. No profit in it, so why would they do a lot of research in this area? If it can't be patented, put in a pill, machine, device, or the like to sell at inflated costs, they are not interested--because they are not truly interested in real and true health.

I may make a separate thread in relation to this topic.

posted November 24, 2020 11:54 AM            

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If one keeps the body more alkaline, it boosts immunity outside of antibodies and other means we do not yet fully understand. Why, because it increases oxygenation of the body. You can very temporarily and briefly increase alkalinity of the body via deep and rapid breathing, but the more steady and consistent way is through diet and with positively charged elements and their minerals in predominance like potassium, sodium, magnesium, calcium, etc based minerals that create an electric field that attracts and bonds oxygen--a negatively charged element, to it. (Opposite charges attract).

This is why when I started to get Covid symptoms back in March, I upped intake of highly alkalizing foods and drink (kale, coconut water, mixed green salads without white vingear, washing soda [sodium carbonate] and herbal teas in water, etc) and stopped eating acid forming foods, and literally within a day and a half of first starting to feel symptoms, I was completely over whatever infection I had.

Edgar Cayce's guidance focused A LOT on the extreme important of acid-alkaline balance in health and healing. Almost always, in cases of illness, disease, etc they recommended at least a slightly alkaline reacting diet and in many cases recommended the 80-20 rule--80% of the diet to be alkaline forming foods to 20% acid forming. This is because virtually every metabolic process in the body creates acids as byproducts, and the SAD is highly acid forming.

No offense Voix, but the Scots, like the Americans, are not known for their stellar diets and health habits. The standard/common diet over there is rather acid forming in nature and tendency as well.

Granted, an acid forming diet is a more warming diet all in all compared to an alkaline forming one, which is more cooling. So in places that have more severe winters, in the winter time IF you're spending a fair amount of time outside in the elements, it makes more sense to eat more acid forming foods (like meat, most grains, cheese, etc) as long as you're also balancing it out some with more highly alkaline reacting foods.

A pre modern Inuit for example, would be hard pressed to thrive well on an alkaline forming diet high in vegetables and fruits. It's too cooling. They need all that concentrated protein and fat to help them stay warm.

Btw, I am well aware that most human bodies do a very good job of maintaining a slightly alkaline/base pH of about 7.4 in the blood and of course the stomach is very acid (to help break down proteins). We're also talking ones tissues, fat (toxins get stored in fat), lymph fluids, etc which the body has a harder time regulating the pH of vs say the blood and stomach.

And when you eat more alkaline forming diet, it helps the body to more easily maintain the that all important narrow, slightly alkaline pH of the blood. Some alternative health researchers believe that the osteoporosis epidemic in parts of the west is linked to the common strongly acid forming diets here. And that the body will literally leach calcium and magnesium (alkaline/positively charged) from the bones (thus weakening them) in order to maintain that all important blood pH.

When one has a reserve or load of alkaline minerals in the body, it makes it easier for the body to maintain that pH. Again, some adjustment can happen through breathing, but that is a very temporary and wavering process.

I've been testing these theories on myself for almost the last two decades and a half. I get sick far, far less than most people I know, when I do rarely get sick, I stay sick for far less long. I have nipped so many burgeoning infections in the bud by increasing alkalization.

Not surprisingly, considering the nature of big Pharma, there is has been very little research done on these topics. I mean other than the price of basic food, this whole thing is completely free. No profit in it, so why would they do a lot of research in this area? If it can't be patented, put in a pill, machine, device, or the like to sell at inflated costs, they are not interested--because they are not truly interested in real and true health.

I may make a separate thread in relation to this topic.

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posted November 24, 2020 12:00 PM            

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@Viox

Good! It seems like we're on the same page abt several things. I hope you'll continue to keep an open mind when i post information on the germ theory, which is what the entire approach to covid is based on. It will involve looking at the whole idea of pathogen from the opposite angle.
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I'd also urge you to research 5G. The post i made gives the name of a leading expert, for a start. The majority of scientists in the world are urging world governments to stop the 5G roll out. This is a constant pressing issue...in some places law suits have been filed to stop the roll out. But it's an uphill battle bc it is also part of the nwo agenda. Those with money have the power to make the law suits disappear. So i think we need to become aware of this urgent issue as it affects us all. Along w the covid vax the other step will be to hook up humanity to AI through 5G. You can start by reading up on the biologucal effects of the specific 5G bandwidth. I wldn't use google to do any searches, it's compromised. Maybe use qwant.com

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Sure. The reason I appear to play devil's advocate with some studies is because the devil really is in the details with research. Few early studies (such as those on anything to do with COVID-19) tell us anything definitive, it is an ongoing process with each study supposedly building on the findings of the previous. And like I said before, semantics in terms of how researchers frame and word their conclusions can influence the meaning readers take from it. And it is not always accurate, often overinflated to suit a hypothesis, researcher ego or the commissioning body's agenda. So I approach all study conclusions (especially just now) with caution.

posted November 24, 2020 12:22 PM            

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Originally posted by Linda Jones:
@Viox

Good! It seems like we're on the same page abt several things. I hope you'll continue to keep an open mind when i post information on the germ theory, which is what the entire approach to covid is based on. It will involve looking at the whole idea of pathogen from the opposite angle.
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posted November 24, 2020 01:08 PM            

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We don't have to test asymptomatic carriers of the flu virus because there is a vaccine to protect those at risk, and presumably not enough deaths in healthy people to justify the cost.

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Bill gates himself said in an interview that the flu vax doesn't help the elderly. I'll try to find a link for it. And for the US population, how can they justify spending $800 billion on the military budget, when, as they say, covid is taking such a monumental death toll? I personally don't believe their excuses...especially when in 2020, flu had practically disappeared from the world during covid, without people taking the flu vax. They claim victory saying the lockdowns did it. If that were true then how come family members didn't give flu to ea other during lockdown?
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And when you go deeper into it to really examine the harmful effects of the additives & adjuvants they put in the different vax, it's scary (& unconvincing) to think that our bodies really need that crap to ward off "killer pathogens". When i have more time i'll post some info on the vax additives & their side effects. The vax inserts themselves reveal the side effects, which if people paid more attention to, i can guarantee big pharma wld have a very difficult time selling their zero liability product. You may be aware that vax manufacturers have no liability for any damage their product causes. *all* other pharma drugs carry responsibility of liability, except for vax. They're protected by the gov, which doles out money for vax injuries, so tax payers end up footing the bill for the harm that pharma does to people. That's corruption at levels you can't even imagine & it is not new, it has been going on for decades. Plus there are zero safety studies done on *any* vax by the cdc in over 30 years, yet they keep chanting the mantra that vax are "safe and effective" bc if a lie is repeated often enough, it becomes the truth - human psychology.

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The WHO in a closed door 2019 meeting was secretly recorded discussing (strategizing) how vax are not safe & how can they handle even doctors not feeling comfortable anymore urging people to get vaxed. Right after the meeting, their chair member came out & gave a statement to the press saying vax are safe & effective...complete total hypocrisy & lies constantly fed to the public...to insure bottom line profit, not health