posted December 06, 2020 09:12 PM            

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Originally posted by LuckyLeo:
Oh i see, so they’re using the excuse of needing the machines for the runoffs so that they can wipe them clean? How convenient. I’m not from GA but I hope people in GA do exactly as you said and make their voices heard. It’s just so hard to have confidence in any audits knowing that so many dirty tricks can be pulled, and they certainly aren’t above pulling them. Especially because at this point anyone who participated in fraud has to be pretty desperate to cover their tracks, so the motivation is extremely high. Well, like you said, we will wait and see! I just want the truth to come out, whatever it may be.

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You are correct. I am pretty sure the fraudsters are not sitting around twiddling their thumbs and waiting for the axe of truth to fall. They are plotting, strategizing and desperately trying to cover their tracks. Desperate people are more dangerous, but they are also more sloppy. So we will see...

posted December 06, 2020 10:22 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
If there are foreign actors involved, that changes everything.

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Are you saying the FBI or CIA or DOJ will get involved quicker? I doubt it! They have been sitting on their tush instead of taking the initiative to investigate these things, because guess what, they already know what's going on but have been turning a blind eye because they want Trump gone.

For the first time in America, if something is going to get done to protect civil liberties, fair elections and democracy, it will have to be done by We the People, not those organizations.

posted December 10, 2020 09:28 AM            

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Originally posted by LuckyLeo:
I hate feeling cynical too. It would be nice if things were fair and honest in this world. Well, one thing can be said though...regardless if the truth comes out or not, at least they are not laying there and taking it. At least they’re fighting back, whatever the outcome may be. At least they’re trying. That, I respect.

They say they’ll have the results from this forensic audit tomorrow. Not sure when it will be made available to the public. Very curious to hear the results.

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Still no update?

If the Dominion machines have not been tampered with prior to the audits and the audits do not find malfeasance but just human error, I am prefectly willing to abandon my stance that Dominion machines were fraudulently used to steal the election.

posted December 11, 2020 11:50 AM            

If the forensig audits didn't find anything wrong, Rudy's camp needs to say so. If they found something wrong and they are handcuffed by a gag order, they need to put the news out that there is a gag order on them.

posted December 11, 2020 02:10 PM            

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Originally posted by Blind writer:
Belage, here is one source.

https://twitter.com/pjcolbeck/status/1337151876958199810

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posted December 11, 2020 02:12 PM            

From the twitter link supplied by Blind Writer, here is the article giving details about the gag order on the forensic audits performed earlier this week.

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/polit ics/2020/12/10/judge-gives-benson-ok-intervene-antrim-county-election-case/3880872001/

Northern Michigan judge gives Benson OK to intervene in Antrim County election case
Beth LeBlanc
The Detroit News
A Northern Michigan judge granted Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson permission to intervene in a case questioning results in Antrim County and the security of tabulators used there on Nov. 3.

Judge Kevin Elsenheimer ruled Thursday that Attorney General Dana Nessel's office could intervene on behalf of Benson, who had argued she had supervisory control over the Antrim County clerk, had an interest in any audit discussions the case may raise and was party to the county's contract with Dominion Voting Systems.

The Secretary of State's office is concerned particularly with forensic imaging performed on Antrim County's 22 Dominion tabulators earlier this week by a Village of Central Lake resident and Allied Security Operations Group, said Assistant Attorney General Heather Meingast.

"We’d like to know more about what was obtained, what the intent is for the use of the images obtained," Meingast said, noting the disclosure of some elements of the tabulators could compromise their security in future elections.

Elsenheimer, a Republican former lawmaker and member of former Gov. Rick Snyder's administration, granted Meingast's request but warned the case would proceed in haste.

"I intend to move this matter quickly, aggressively," Elsenheimer said.

Benson shouldn't be allowed to intervene because she had missed the opportunity to do so earlier and did not have direct involvement in local elections, said Matthew DePerno, a lawyer for Antrim County resident William Bailey.

In fact, a state Court of Claims judge earlier this month dismissed a case against Benson on those grounds, DePerno said.

"The court concluded there was no relief to be granted because elections are local and run by local officials," he said.

DePerno said the investigation is ongoing and data are being reviewed. But based on what had been reviewed so far, Bailey would move to decertify the Antrim County certification and push the issue to the GOP-led Legislature, he said.

"We think there are serious issues, and we’re preparing right now a motion to seek relief from the court from the protective order," DePerno said.

Elsenheimer last week granted Bailey's request to take take forensic images of 22 tabulators and review those along with flash drives, software and a "master tabulator" that the county said does not exist. Bailey and members of the Allied Securities Operation Group spent about eight hours on Sunday at county offices obtaining the material.

Allied Security Operations Group's Russell Ramsland, Jr. was listed in a lawsuit filed by lawyer Sidney Powell last month in Michigan seeking to overturn Democratic President-elect Joe Biden's 154,000-vote win in Michigan over Republican President Donald Trump. Ramsland raised concerns about spikes in votes tallied for Biden after 2 a.m. the day after the election.

The spike was expected since more Republicans tended to vote on Election Day than Democrats, in part due to warnings about mail-in voting from Trump. Absentee ballots generally took longer to process and often showed up in vote tallies late on Nov. 3 or the day after.

In an affidavit filed in a Georgia case, Ramsland also appeared to make a mistake by confusing townships in Minnesota with townships in Michigan, according to national media reports.

In his lawsuit, Bailey said he was one of the first people to notice a vote reporting error in Antrim County that put Biden thousands of votes ahead of Trump in the Republican-leaning county.

Bailey alerted a local election official and the votes were pulled down to fix the error. Trump later was shown to have a more than 5,000 vote lead in a county where about 16,000 votes were cast.

In his initial complaint, Bailey alleged that the Antrim County presidential election "lacked all accuracy and integrity." But Elsenheimer in last week's order focused on a proposed marijuana retailer ordinance in the Village of Central Lake, where a 262-262 tie was overturned by one vote after a Nov. 6 retabulation.

Three ballots were alleged to have been damaged, then reproduced to allow for retabulation. Bailey argued those ballots don't show up in the final count.

The issue with Antrim County's presidential results occurred after county Clerk Sheryl Guy failed to update Election Source software on all tabulators after performing an update to two of them. The failure caused the machines to transpose results as they were sent to the county's main software.

The issue pushed Dominion Voting Systems into the national spotlight and made it subject to several unproven claims of fraud.

Guy told lawmakers the county would have caught the issue during canvassing if it hadn't been brought to their attention earlier by comparing tabulator tapes to the unofficial results on the main software.

posted December 11, 2020 02:21 PM            

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Originally posted by Blind writer:
Belage, here is one source.

https://twitter.com/pjcolbeck/status/1337151876958199810

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When I read the actual article, it doesn’t read nefarious to me; the article gives an explanation as to why and that the judge said it needs to carry on with the audit with haste.

posted December 11, 2020 02:58 PM            

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Originally posted by MarsSaturnDelight:
When I read the actual article, it doesn’t read nefarious to me; the article gives an explanation as to why and that the judge said it needs to carry on with the audit with haste.

Not sure why the outrage.

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posted December 11, 2020 03:50 PM            

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Originally posted by MarsSaturnDelight:
When I read the actual article, it doesn’t read nefarious to me; the article gives an explanation as to why and that the judge said it needs to carry on with the audit with haste.

Not sure why the outrage.

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posted December 11, 2020 04:10 PM            

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Originally posted by Blind writer:
Not nefarious, but confusing. If the results are clean, it should immediately be reported to assuage the public. That it is under wraps is a red flag.

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