posted January 07, 2021 07:21 AM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
I don’t even know what to think anymore. I would have voted for Bernie, I wanted Elizabeth Warren for president, but that won’t happen for a while. This - this utter **** show has to end. If Biden has sexually assaulted anyone, get him out too. Why don’t you take the accusations against trump seriously? Maybe if they had been, we wouldn’t have had Biden as the only candidate that would bring republicans over to our side this one time.

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i take accusations seriously, i do not however condemn a person as if they've committed a crime based on accusations alone

an "accused rapist" is not a "rapist" and even if i didn't take it seriously, you do

biden is constantly inappropriately touching and sniffing very young girls who express clear discomfort with his advances on video, there's no denying it you can go and watch it a million times over if you wanted

why is this acceptable? if trump being an accused rapist is enough for you to not want him in office then surely you should have been protesting biden being the democratic candidate no?

why turn a blind eye to what he does?

posted January 07, 2021 09:09 AM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
In the past, I was sad when Scotland wanted its independence from the UK. Now I completely support it.

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It is sad Teasel, to be united fairly would be the ideal, but the Scottish people are fed-up being used, undermined and dismissed.

posted January 07, 2021 04:10 PM            

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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
What about the democratic rights of the Scottish people and the devolved Scottish government Graham, who voted overwhelmingly to remain in the EU? And how did democracy die, you got your 'leave', and all the regressive politics that goes along with it.

'United' Kingdom democracy died when Johnson ignored the wishes of the Scottish people. Scotland could have remained, but as usual we just get dragged into whatever political mud-pit Westminster decides it wants to play in next.

Bring on indyref2, Scotland will return to the EU as is the will of the people.

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Hence, Scotland must first vote democratically to leave the UK ... and then apply to join the EU.

Thus ... although I actually voted to remain in the EU ... there was never any question in my mind that the UK was democratically obliged to comply with the will of the people.

posted January 08, 2021 04:36 AM            

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Originally posted by Graham:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
[b] What about the democratic rights of the Scottish people and the devolved Scottish government Graham, who voted overwhelmingly to remain in the EU? And how did democracy die, you got your 'leave', and all the regressive politics that goes along with it.

'United' Kingdom democracy died when Johnson ignored the wishes of the Scottish people. Scotland could have remained, but as usual we just get dragged into whatever political mud-pit Westminster decides it wants to play in next.

Bring on indyref2, Scotland will return to the EU as is the will of the people.

Scotland voted democratically to remain in the UK. ... The UK voted democratically to leave tha EU. ... Thus, democracy requires Scotland to leave the EU.

Hence, Scotland must first vote democratically to leave the UK ... and then apply to join the EU.

Thus ... although I actually voted to remain in the EU ... there was never any question in my mind that the UK was democratically obliged to comply with the will of the people.

Either one is or is not a believer in democracy. And we have yet to discover a system which allows everyone to both have their cake and eat it.

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Scotland voted to remain in the EU - this was totally ignored. THAT is undemocratic. Scotland already has devolved powers, therefore it wouldn't have been a massive headache to simply let Scotland remain, as per the wishes of the people. However, the dirty little secret of devolution is that it is a charade. If a devolved administration cannot call an independence referendum, then what power do they really have? Just a wee trick to keep people quiet and make them think they have some autonomy and control.

As for indyref2, thanks to Johnson's epic fail at handling the pandemic, Scotland WILL be independent soon.