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PhoenixRising
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posted January 06, 2021 11:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PhoenixRising     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bravo! Actions speaks louder than words-- You have shown today.

This should spawn worldwide revolt. Hope they don't decapacitate heads as they did during the french revolution.

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posted January 08, 2021 03:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Graham     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZYpzXjdtwg

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posted January 08, 2021 05:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PhoenixRising     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
very nice.

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posted January 08, 2021 07:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://news.yahoo.com/raffensperger-escorted-out-of-capitol-building-after-it-was-surrounded-by-militiamen-and-trump-supporters-231745526.html?.tsrc=daily_mail&uh_test=2_04

More and More Black Antifa/BLM Terrorists are on the attack, now they have surrounded Atlanta's State Capitol in search of Raffensperger. Armed to the teeth, these Black ANTIFA/BLM Terrorists are wearing White Skin and are using advanced Voice Modulation Technology to sound like Angry Red Necks and Hillbillies...

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posted January 08, 2021 11:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The people who attacked the White House play the victim. "You made me do this" and "this is because of leftist/democratcs/BLM/whatever..." Whatever the reason is, you are accountable for your actions. You decided to do this. You are not a victim for breaking into a federal building to deny the Democratic process. Own that.

You're not the victim.

You are the author of your actions.

And you are part of a failed coup by a ****** president who would leave you in the dust the first chance he could - he did it with Barr, with Pence, with Scaramucci, with Bolton, etc.

White Supremicist always want to hit you with one hand, while pointing the finger at a BIPOC for the cause of it.

At least BLM protested to save lives. You broke into a building with selfies, twitch streams, and matching shirts just because you were "broadly upset." You know what you were upset with? You were upset with the fact that your little place of privilege was being challenged.

You know who is truly responsible for any sort of hardship? It's not BIPOC. Here is the spoiler:

SYSTEMIC RACISM

If the leaders can keep you scared (like Trump does) they can pretend to lead you against that threat. When in fact, they don't care about your safety. They care about their power horde. They will turn on you if it serves them.

That doesn't make you a victim though, it makes you a weapon. Everyone who stormed the Whites House was a mindless weapon. Own that. Nobody on the left, no Democrat, not even a talking dog convinced you to do that. You choose to do that after Trump leveraged your fear and anger.

No Antifa was responsible for this. So many people were proudly posting their own selfies and on their own Instagram. Every single one of them, should be in jail. Along with Trump, his family and any Republican Politician that protected him.

- A friend of mine

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posted January 08, 2021 01:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
They had gallows, and zip-ties. They were looking for Pence, Pelosi, and others. All wound up by their deeply disturbed and delusional president, Lin Wood, Sidney Powell... I’m so glad that most of them were so bloody stupid, and would never get away with it.

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posted January 08, 2021 01:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by AcousticGod:
The people who attacked the White House play the victim. "You made me do this" and "this is because of leftist/democratcs/BLM/whatever..." Whatever the reason is, you are accountable for your actions. You decided to do this. You are not a victim for breaking into a federal building to deny the Democratic process. Own that.

You're not the victim.

You are the author of your actions.

And you are part of a failed coup by a ****** president who would leave you in the dust the first chance he could - he did it with Barr, with Pence, with Scaramucci, with Bolton, etc.

White Supremicist always want to hit you with one hand, while pointing the finger at a BIPOC for the cause of it.

At least BLM protested to save lives. You broke into a building with selfies, twitch streams, and matching shirts just because you were "broadly upset." You know what you were upset with? You were upset with the fact that your little place of privilege was being challenged.

You know who is truly responsible for any sort of hardship? It's not BIPOC. Here is the spoiler:

SYSTEMIC RACISM

If the leaders can keep you scared (like Trump does) they can pretend to lead you against that threat. When in fact, they don't care about your safety. They care about their power horde. They will turn on you if it serves them.

That doesn't make you a victim though, it makes you a weapon. Everyone who stormed the Whites House was a mindless weapon. Own that. Nobody on the left, no Democrat, not even a talking dog convinced you to do that. You choose to do that after Trump leveraged your fear and anger.

No Antifa was responsible for this. So many people were proudly posting their own selfies and on their own Instagram. Every single one of them, should be in jail. Along with Trump, his family and any Republican Politician that protected him.

- A friend of mine


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posted January 08, 2021 03:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
AG, you are full of Sh*t! I bet you never said a word about BLM destroying property, looting, burning buildings, attacking police, attacking citizens, and killing David Dorn. You don't get to have the moral high ground now. At least this attack on the Capitol caused two-faced hypocritical people like you to finally speak out against violence and say what Republicans have said for months. The difference is that we denounced the Capitol violence immediately, and Dems didn't say a peep about BLM riots until it hurt them in the polls. Kamala even encouraged people to donate to a fund that bailed out those criminals, so they could continue to riot. Your wife is an attorney. Does she also support those BLM actions? I know a few lawyers were arrested for tossing Molotov cocktails. Were the two of you out there burning down buildings and picking out some merchandise for yourselves? Asking for a friend.

Did you say a word about all of the police attacked by BLM? The ones ambushed and shot in the face in their police cars? Or David Dorn who was a Black man killed by the BLM mob? You are the biggest hypocrite I have ever seen at LL, and that is saying a lot, bruh.

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posted January 08, 2021 03:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MarsSaturnDelight     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No need to get personal and mention people’s wives.

No need.

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posted January 08, 2021 03:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://www.huffpost.com/entry/west-virginia-lawmaker-charged-capitol-riots-derrick-evans_n_5ff8a2e8c5b6567198856eaf

Republican lawmaker, who filmed himself storming the capitol, has been arrested.

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posted January 08, 2021 03:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Randall:
AG, you are full of Sh*t! I bet you never said a word about BLM destroying property, looting, burning buildings, attacking police, attacking citizens, and killing David Dorn. You don't get to have the moral high ground now. At least this attack on the Capitol caused two-faced hypocritical people like you to finally speak out against violence and say what Republicans have said for months. The difference is that we denounced the Capitol violence immediately, and Dems didn't say a peep about BLM riots until it hurt them in the polls. Kamala even encouraged people to donate to a fund that bailed out those criminals, so they could continue to riot. Your wife is an attorney. Does she also support those BLM actions? I know a few lawyers were arrested for tossing Molotov cocktails. Were the two of you out there burning down buildings and picking out some merchandise for yourselves? Asking for a friend.

Did you say a word about all of the police attacked by BLM? The ones ambushed and shot in the face in their police cars? Or David Dorn who was a Black man killed by the BLM mob? You are the biggest hypocrite I have ever seen at LL, and that is saying a lot, bruh.


Encouraged them to donate to a fund that bails out peaceful protesters, who until now, have faced a hell of a lot more punishment for acting on their constitutional right to protest, than these people had to deal with on the day they staged a coup, and wanted to execute people.

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posted January 08, 2021 03:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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No need to get personal and mention people’s wives.

No need.


Who did that?

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posted January 08, 2021 04:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted January 08, 2021 04:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
BLM and ANTIFA have never endangered Elected Representatives. Some of their protests facilitated looting and that has been condemned. That should never happen again.

But the White Domestic Terrorists are aiming for destruction of US Institutions using Insurrection, and this is a billion times more dangerous. They and their facilitators need to be locked up very soon. There are 1000s of Timothy McVeighs waiting to happen. We saw a sample of their plans during Christmas already.

ANTIFA and BLM have never come close to Timothy McVeigh. Only Racism/Bigotry can cloud thinking to compare BLM with White Domestic Terrorism and Neo Nazsim.

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posted January 08, 2021 04:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wrong. BLM ambushed Rand Paul and his wife and threatened to kill them before police came between them and the mob. They refused to allow cops to leave their station and tried to burn them alive. They also attacked a federal court house.

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posted January 08, 2021 04:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If a spouse does not bring up their spouse, they are not fair game. I know gu can get heated but hitting below the belt is irresponsible and shouldnt be tolerated.

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posted January 08, 2021 04:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
AG has brought up his wife here at LL when they were married and told us she was an attorney. I am simply asking him if she supports BLM violence like he just justified it. Lawyers have to undergo character and fitness investigations. The lawyers who firebombed police cars were arrested and most likely will be disbarred--as they should be. I simply asked the question. I presume I already know the answer, but AG made excuses for BLM violence in posting what his "friend" wrote. A lawyer takes an oath to uphold the Constitution and has to obey the ABA code of ethics. It's a fair question to want to know if a steward of public faith supports arson and looting.

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posted January 08, 2021 05:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just as a side note, the left has long changed the rules of appropriate conduct when they attacked not only the First Lady but also her young child. I'm sure AG fully supported that. Which is just more hypocrisy on the left. And for the record, I do not support that, no matter which side of the political aisle it is. Republicans are always expected not to play dirty while Dems get away with saying anything.

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posted January 08, 2021 05:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by MarsSaturnDelight:
No need to get personal and mention people’s wives.

No need.


I merely asked the question. I didn't call his wife any names. THAT would be inappropriate, and I would apologize if I got that heated. Lawyers are held to a very high standard. Violence is never okay. It doesn't matter what the cause is. CNN's Cuomo asked: "Where it say that protests have to be peaceful?" The answer is: In the Constitution. And in the US Code.

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posted January 08, 2021 05:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In retrospect and upon reflection, it was a below the belt move. I should be better than that. Republicans should never stoop to the level of what Democrats do and say--no matter what the reason. AG's wife used to be a member at LL, but as far as I know, she isn't here to defend herself. I lost my temper. AG and I have had issues on Facebook, and I blocked him. Honestly, I can't stand the guy. But I shouldn't have gotten personal. I went too far. I'm sorry, AG. I apologize for bringing your wife into it. It was bad form and decorum on my part. The rest of what I said stands, however. Thank you for the gentle reminder, Juni. Things do get heated in here.

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posted January 08, 2021 05:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Encouraged them to donate to a fund that bails out peaceful protesters, who until now, have faced a hell of a lot more punishment for acting on their constitutional right to protest, than these people had to deal with on the day they staged a coup, and wanted to execute people.

Get real. Peaceful protesters generally don't get arrested. We aren't talking about sit-ins here, and even then they are breaking the law by trespassing. Some were looters. Some were arsonists. Some were rioters. Some got in the faces of police officers and put their hands on them, and that's not peaceful. Throwing projectiles at the police causing them to be hospitalized also isn't peaceful.

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posted January 08, 2021 06:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I haven't read all of the responses, but here's the words of one of my wife's attorney friends (who leans right by the way, and who is a patent attorney with degrees in science and the law).
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Some knowledge:

If you get together with a group of people and commit a felony and someone dies you can be charged with felony murder as if you had killed them yourself. This is the case even if one of your co-conspirators is the one that gets killed.

The classic fact pattern is a group of friends decide to rob a bank. They go in and a guard shoots one of them. All of the friends can be charged with felony murder as if each one of them had personally killed their friend.

This is commonly known as the Pinkerton Doctrine. Essentially any conspirator is responsible for the illegal acts committed by his co-conspirators in furtherance of the conspiracy along with reasonably foreseeable by natural consequences of the acts in furtherance of the conspiracy. Pinkerton v. United States, 328 U.S. 640, 66 S.Ct. 1180 (1946).

A federal statute on point: Accomplice Liability under 18 U.S.C. 2(b)
(a). Whoever commits an offense against the United States or aids, abets, counsels, commands, induces or procures its commission, is punishable as a principal.
(b). Whoever willfully causes an act to be done which if directly performed by him or another would be an offense against the United States, is punishable as a principal.

The Eighth Amendment does not prohibit the death penalty as disproportionate in the case of a defendant whose participation in a felony that results in murder is major and whose mental state is one of reckless indifference. Tison v. Arizona, 481 U.S. 137, 107 S.Ct. 1676, 95 L.Ed.2d 127 (1987).

“In addition, even if one conspirator did not participate in, or was unaware of, acts undertaken by co-conspirators in furtherance of the conspiracy, it is nevertheless liable for such acts, including those that occur prior to its joining the conspiracy. (**** -ton of citations omitted) - U.S. v. Philip Morris USA, Inc., 449 F.Supp.2d 1 (D. D.C. 2006).

So, if you and a bunch of buddies decide to break into a federal building and commit a felony, or you counsel, aid, command or abet some people to break into a federal building and commit a felony and one of them gets shot and dies, under the Pinkerton Doctrine it is as if you pointed the gun at them and pulled the trigger.

18 U.S. Code § 1111 (b) “…Whoever is guilty of murder in the first degree shall be punished by death or by imprisonment for life;”


Randall, you guys didn't denounce the violence yesterday. You were at first confused. The truth has set in now and you're trying to change your story.

Guess what. The same guy who posted the above also let us know that felony behavior in the style of what you guys broadly label BLM is punishable by five years in prison. What happened in the Capital was sedition and is punishable by 20 years in prison. Pick your "protest" carefully activists.

Get back to the real world. The clown car is not big enough.

Randall, I think you wouldn't be concerned with the moral high ground if you had it.

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posted January 08, 2021 06:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I remember David Dorn. I don't use David Dorn for political points in the manner his daughters requested when their mother appeared at the RNC.

One man was charged for that murder. Not BLM. Not someone deeply associated with BLM. BLM may have given cover to his looting and shooting, but surely we can all sort crime from peaceful protest. Right?

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posted January 08, 2021 06:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks, but I'm quite aware of felony murder. I recently graduated law school, bruh. That's a required course. You act like it's some great epiphany that a person from the right shared that. It's the law. Being right or left is immaterial.

True, we were confused. The whole nation was. Us trying to figure out who was involved in the Capitol was de facto denouncement. Otherwise, we would have been cheering it.

You completely missed my point. Yes, a looter killed Dorn. All of those present are responsible under the above legal theory. It happened under the mob protection of BLM. Riots ensued everywhere that night. There was little peaceful protesting going on. BLM during their peaceful protests called looting "reparations" and earlier and called for dead cops. And then people shot cops. My point is that there is rampant hypocrisy being used here--not that BLM should be arrested as a group. Their rhetoric did encourage a lot of violence against police, though, but people are responsible for their own actions. However, the line between the free political speech of rhetoric and inciting violence is a thin one.

I'm not talking about political points with Dorn. You would have none on your side. Just as the left has used deaths of Blacks killed by police to commit acts of violence, despite family members asking protesters to be peaceful. What I was asking for is condemnation on behalf of Dorn and that his life mattered.

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posted January 09, 2021 04:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Your speaking of my wife is inconsequential to me. She was briefly here after we met, and she's the reason I've been able to stay away which I'll be returning to shortly.

I'm just astounded at how much this place has really embraced the conspiratorial nature of the Right. We used to have debates here about things that were rationally reported in the news. Now every post in support of a belief is not supported by anything of any great journalistic integrity. It's baffling and disheartening and I'm a bit concerned where this leads.

I didn't post the law for you. I posted so that others may know the potential consequences of getting involved in stuff like this. You don't need your members to become these people.

You are talking political points with Dorn. You're conveniently using his death as an indication that BLM was bad for America. I am the AG of old. Perhaps less intense, but very much the same. I still see transparently into people's intents and arguments. I can still distill a thought.

No one on the Left has ever said that Dorn's life didn't matter. No one on the Left has ever said any of the criminal acts done in proximity to BLM protests were good or warranted. It's guilt by association, and, in this case, it's false equivalence. I really won't have any of it.

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