posted January 12, 2021 08:17 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
Remember in 2011 when tens of thousands of Democrats surged on the Wisconsin Capitol building in Madison and physically occupied it for more than two weeks? We were told, "This is what democracy looks like."
Remember in 2016 when Obama was President and hundreds of BLM blocked interstate highways and violently accosted police (even killing several)? We were told, "To assign the actions of one person to an entire movement is dangerous and irresponsible."
Remember in 2018 during the Kavanaugh hearings when a mob of Democrats stormed the U.S. Supreme Court building in Washington, DC, and pounded their fists in rage on the door. We were told, "It's understandable."
Remember this summer's riots in major cities across the country when groups of Democrats marched in the streets, set buildings on fire, looted businesses, assaulted and even killed bystanders and police? We were told, "These are mostly peaceful protests."
Remember when Democrats seized several blocks of the Capitol Hill neighborhood in downtown Seattle, declaring it an autonomous zone? Remember the guns ad deaths and utter destruction? We were told, "It's a block party atmosphere."
Remember when a crazed mob gathered after the Republican National Convention and attacked Rand Paul, a sitting U.S. Senator? We were told, "No justice, no peace."
Remember how police were told to stand down, governors refused to call in the national guard, and Democrats paid bail for violent protesters who were arrested? We were told, "This is the only way oppressed people can be heard."
I have condemned violent protests and lawlessness every single time they've been reported. I condemn the actions of those who stormed the Capitol yesterday. But I refuse to condemn hundreds of thousands of peaceful protestors because a handful (52 arrested) chose to be lawless and to defy everything the vast majority of the crowd stood for. Conservatives are defenders of the Constitution, the police, and the rule of law. Because a relative few people decided to do something stupid doesn't nullify the concerns of the many.
The real culprit here? The mainstream media has been telling us for years that violence is the only way people who feel oppressed can be heard, it's the only way to get justice, and this is what democracy looks like. Apparently, a few who were in the crowd on Wednesday listened to them.
The inflammatory rhetoric of the Left caused this, and it's about time Democrats and the mainstream media took responsibility for dividing Americans and attempting to humiliate those who support the President or any conservative ideals. They have pushed people to the brink, even while claiming, "It's time for unity." It's time for careful reflection and change on all sides. God help us!
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Only the deaf, mute and blind can innocently claim not to notice the double standard. Or those suffering from amnesia.

posted January 13, 2021 04:32 AM            

We need to protect ourselves from extremist thinking, otherwise we are welcoming in dictatorship with open arms, from any side.

posted January 13, 2021 09:40 AM            

There is a different level of cunning that has gone into the events of the past few weeks. To me, it does not matter whether Trump is innocent or guilty or whatever, let DOJ decide. But the Conspiracy is getting very, very clear.

It fully connects to the Ancient Satanic Conspiracy: That God is Not Enough, Sentient Beings are better off on their Own or by following Satanic Forces than Divine Laws.

The Most Powerful Darkness is prodding both sides.

The Demonization of peaceful protestorsfrom BLM or on Jan 6th is to prevent protests when actual Fascism Dominates the Geo-Political Landscape.
Covid Passports, Compulsory Vaccinations, Forcing GMO Food/Chemicals, DNA Destruction with untested 5G/6G EMF etc.
The Misdirection is Right vs Left.
Another Misdirection is the whole QAnon Phenomenon, to make genuine Conspiracy Researchers seem like Lunatics or Terrorists.

How many of you know that almost a million Farmers are protesting in India, in biting cold to make Illuminati Style Farm Laws [ that allow only Corporates to Dictate terms to ordinary farmers ] go away? 60 have already died, yet Fuhrer Psychopath Modi does not care. If Peaceful Protestst cannot pressurize Arrogant Leaders, then its bad news for the entire Globe.

posted January 14, 2021 09:20 AM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
The FBI intercepted an e-mail on January 5 about extreme groups declaring a “war” and plans to storm the Capitol. That was the day before. This dispels the false narrative that the crowd was incited by the speech. President Trump told his supporters to stay peaceful at the 18-minute mark. The people who were condemning law-enforcement last year and calling police the gestapo who were trying to protect the federal courthouse while defending the blowing up of the fence erected to protect it, are the ones now trying to attribute the actions of a few to the peaceful political protest of the many. Facts matter.

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Yes this is true. The capitol was being taken over while Trump was still giving his speech.

It's interesting to see how the narrative seemingly changed overnight. There were months of calling for de-funding the police and anti-police rhetoric, and now law and order is acceptable and important.

posted January 14, 2021 09:56 AM            

During the BLM riots you saw arson, physical violence, vandalism, and looting. The property damage done has been totaled to between $1-2billion dollars. There were dozens of car-ramming attacks and molotov cocktails thrown into cars. There were 38 incidents at protests where memorials were significantly damaged or torn down. It's been estimated that there were six violent events each day last summer during BLM protests. At least 25 people were killed during BLM protests. These are the incidents that were reported on.

posted January 14, 2021 11:06 AM            

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Originally posted by etherealsaturn:
93% of BLM may have been peaceful, but the arson, violence, vandalism and looting by that 7% caused massive damage and can't be ignored.

During the BLM riots you saw arson, physical violence, vandalism, and looting. The property damage done has been totaled to between $1-2billion dollars. There were dozens of car-ramming attacks and molotov cocktails thrown into cars. There were 38 incidents at protests where memorials were significantly damaged or torn down. It's been estimated that there were six violent events each day last summer during BLM protests. At least 25 people were killed during BLM protests. These are the incidents that were reported on.

I don't mention this to take away from the BLM movement or their right to protest. But saying there weren't as many rioters as protesters is the same as ignoring the problem. It should be condemned and should have been condemned months ago, but it wasn't. It was either encouraged because it is somehow justified, or it was just ignored.

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Most of those fires were set by white supremacists sent to agitate. I don’t remember any of you being understanding that a small number of people were responsible for the bad. Now that Trump supporters have openly done this, you’re all, “let’s not be so hasty with the judgement!”

I’m the one who pointed out in another thread, that some people were there just for a rally - but they were also riled up by trump’s lies, they believed all of the crap coming from Trump, Lin Wood, Sidney Powell, Giuliani, all of them. Trump gets to own this, and so does everyone who believed the lies, and supported a literal coup attempt.

I want to know why they were allowed poles, zip-ties, backpacks, weapons! When I attended the women’s March, we weren’t allowed anything like that. Signs weren’t allowed to be on sticks. I didn’t have a sign, but I left my backpack in the van.

posted January 14, 2021 11:24 AM            

There were republicans who said they were afraid to vote for impeachment, because they were afraid for themselves and their families (afraid of being murdered) by his more rabid supporters.

http://www.theguardia n.com/us-news/2021/jan/13/zello-app-us-capitol-attack-far-right?fbclid=IwAR14i737TLTGCCTwKkI5DQv3WFTQxwRD10nLL7M1olu_TO3Mqewl1S9Mj1I

posted January 14, 2021 12:52 PM            

QAnon believers have speculated that this fight will lead to a day of reckoning where prominent people such as former presidential candidate Hillary Clinton will be arrested and executed.

-embedded video-
TITLE "Trump on QAnon: 'They do like me'"
at soundmark 1:10

TRUMP answering reporter after she described what QAnon believes he is secretly doing.
His answer: "Is that a bad thing?
Then TRUMP says--
"We're saving the world from a radical left philosophy,
that will destroy THIS country ,
and when THIS country is gone,
the rest of the world would follow."

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thought-----
Shouldn't Trump's Intelligence bureaus been WARNING Trump about them?? Or, did Trump not care and look the other way? QAnons scour his every word, body language, for CUE's. These people ACT on their beliefs.
Trump is their HERO!
They are well-networked --
and have even INFILTRATED OUR GOVT!
NEWEST GOP Republicans--
I watched the 2nd Impeachment yesterday and heard them speak! {whoahhh, bullies!!!}
- http://www.forbes.com/sit es/jackbrewster/2020/11/04/congress-will-get-its-second-qanon-supporter-as-boebert-wins-colorado-house-seat/?sh=388d7d91568f

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QAnon
((LOOK OVER THIS ARTICLE. WOW!!))
- http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/QAnon
excerpts
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Disinformation is real. Disinformation is necessary.
—An explanation of and by QAnon on '8chan'[3]

“Public riots are being organized in serious numbers in an effort to prevent the arrest and capture of more senior public officials.

On POTUS' order, a state of temporary military control will be actioned and special ops carried out.
ref ---- This happened at The Insurgency of Jan 6, 2021?

False leaks have been made to retain several within the confines of the United States to prevent extradition and special operator necessity.
— "Q Clearance Patriot" reveals secret truths and predicts chaos[4][5]
@Nov2017?

~
"Q claimed that Trump was being protected by the military because the CIA, the FBI, and the Secret Service are all corrupt."
~

"The Storm"
The term "The Storm" was apparently inspired by an October 2017 non sequitur, mumbled by Trump to the press during a routine photo-op with senior military leaders.[27]

TRUMP: "You guys know what this represents? … Maybe it's the calm before the storm."
REPORTER: "What storm, Mr. President?"
TRUMP: "You'll find out."
—Trump, to puzzled reporters.[28]

Because he was surrounded by high-ranking military officers at the time,
believers have interpreted his bizarre remarks to mean
he was recruited by military intelligence
to lead a "quiet coup" to restore "integrity" to the US government;
hence,
he will impose martial law and unleash a "storm" of retribution against
satanic Clintonites, Democratic evil-doers, Deep State dirtbags, and RINO cucks.
And this coup will succeed,
according to one believer,
since "deep state corruption has a heavy Jewish influence"
and "the military has a very low rate of Jewish people".[29]

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My post suddenly (accidently by me) was posted before I was ready to release it.
~~ oops, sorry
It's not edited.

posted January 14, 2021 12:58 PM            

US police three times as likely to use force against leftwing protesters, data finds

posted January 15, 2021 07:50 AM            

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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/13/us-police-use-of-force-protests-black-lives-matter-far-right

US police three times as likely to use force against leftwing protesters, data finds

Law enforcement responses to more than 13,000 protests show a clear disparity in responses, new statistics show

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This is important and deserves to be quoted in its entirety. When the police behave like this it is probably more influential than Mr Trump's alleged incitement to violence, as in the end, these are the people who are entrusted with the management of protests and violence, no matter who is driving or inciting it.

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Law enforcement responses to more than 13,000 protests show a clear disparity in responses, new statistics show

Police in the United States are three times more likely to use force against leftwing protesters than rightwing protesters, according to new data from a non-profit that monitors political violence around the world.

In the past 10 months, US law enforcement agencies have used teargas, pepper spray, rubber bullets, and beatings at a much higher percentage at Black Lives Matter demonstrations than at pro-Trump or other rightwing protests.

Law enforcement officers were also more likely to use force against leftwing demonstrators, whether the protests remained peaceful or not.

The statistics, based on law enforcement responses to more than 13,000 protests across the United States since April 2020, show a clear disparity in how agencies have responded to the historic wave of Black Lives Matter protests against police violence, compared with demonstrations organized by Trump supporters.

Barack Obama highlighted an earlier version of these statistics on 8 January, arguing that they provided a “useful frame of reference” for understanding Americans’ outrage over the failure of Capitol police to stop a mob of thousands of white Trump supporters from invading and looting the Capitol on 6 January, a response that prompted renewed scrutiny of the level of violence and aggression American police forces use against Black versus white Americans.

The new statistics come from the US Crisis Monitor, a database created this spring by researchers at Princeton and the Armed Conflict Location and Event Data project (ACLED), a nonprofit that has previously monitored civil unrest in the Middle East, Europe and Latin America.

The researchers found that the vast majority of the thousands of protests across the United States in the past year have been peaceful, and that most protests by both the left and the right were not met with any violent response by law enforcement.

Police used teargas, rubber bullets, beatings with batons and other force against demonstrators at 511 leftwing protests and 33 rightwing protests since April, according to updated data made public this week.

The Guardian compared the percentage of all demonstrations organized by leftwing and rightwing groups that resulted in the use of force by law enforcement. For leftwing demonstrations, that was about 4.7% of protests, while for rightwing demonstrations, it was about 1.4%, meaning law enforcement was about three times more likely to use force against leftwing versus rightwing protests.

The disparity in police response only grew when comparing peaceful leftwing versus rightwing protests. Looking at the subset of protests in which demonstrators did not engage in any violence, vandalism, or looting, law enforcement officers were about 3.5 times more likely to use force against leftwing protests than rightwing protests, with about 1.8% of peaceful leftwing protests and only half a percent of peaceful rightwing protests met with teargas, rubber bullets or other force from law enforcement.

“Police are not just engaging more because [leftwing protesters] are more violent. They’re engaging more even with peaceful protesters,” Dr Roudabeh Kishi, ACLED’s director of research and innovation, told the Guardian. “That’s the clear trend.”

ACLED’s data also shows that US law enforcement agencies were more likely to intervene in leftwing versus rightwing protests in general, and more likely to use force when they intervened. American law enforcement agencies made arrests or other interventions in 9% of the 10,863 Black Lives Matter and other leftwing protests between 1 April 2020 and 8 January, compared with only 4% of the 2,295 rightwing protests.

Half of the time police made any intervention into a leftwing protest, it involved using violent force, ACLED found, compared with only about a third of the time for rightwing protests.

Overall, 94% of the leftwing demonstrations in the past ten months were peaceful, compared with 96% of the rightwing demonstrations, according to ACLED’s most recently updated data. Kishi cautioned that the process of categorizing demonstrations as peaceful did not take into account whether demonstrators who engaged in violence or property damage were responding to aggressive or violent behavior from the police.

The US Crisis Monitor previously found that, despite Trump’s rhetoric and the intense media coverage of property damage or violence during protests this summer against police violence, more than 93% of Black Lives Matter protests since April had involved no harm to people or damage to property.

The majority of the protests ACLED categorized as leftwing were Black Lives Matter demonstrations, but also included pro-Biden demonstrations; protests by left-leaning groups such as Abolish Ice, the NAACP, or the Democratic Socialists of America; and protests associated with anti-fascists or left-leaning militia groups and street movements.

The rightwing protests included pro-Trump and pro-police demonstrations, including “Blue Lives Matter” rallies; rightwing protests against coronavirus public health restrictions; protests involving QAnon conspiracy theory supporters and others associated with the “Save Our Children” movement; and the “Stop the Steal” rallies promoting Trump’s false claims about his 2020 election loss.

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