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teasel
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posted January 15, 2021 02:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/01/25/among-the-insurrectionists


The attack on the Capitol was a predictable culmination of a months-long ferment. Throughout the pandemic, right-wing protesters had been gathering at statehouses, demanding entry and shouting things like “Treason!” and “Let us in!”

The Capitol was breached by Trump supporters who had been declaring, at rally after rally, that they would go to violent lengths to keep the President in power. A chronicle of an attack foretold.
By Luke Mogelson
January 15, 2021

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posted January 15, 2021 03:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Biden is an illegitimate president elect and further, Biden knows it.

Trump won the 2020 election in a landslide. But, Trump voters didn't storm the Capitol. Your friends and Biden's friends in BLM and Antifa invaded Capitol Hill and got people killed. You must be so proud of your little puke communist punk buds.

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posted January 16, 2021 07:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Voix_de_la_Mer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Both sides have been whipped up into a frenzy. Many have committed illegal acts in the name of their leader, or other independent groups have seen an opportunity to advance their agendas during the melee.

It is a bona fide political and social mess.

Accusations and indications of paedophilia toward both potential leaders. If I had been an American, I would not have voted at all.

The lengths that individuals went to at the Capitol are terrifying from the outside looking in. The fact that it was so easy for them to get as far as they did is also terrifying.

I'd be voting with my feet and getting out ASAP.

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posted January 16, 2021 02:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Both sides have been whipped up into a frenzy. Many have committed illegal acts in the name of their leader, or other independent groups have seen an opportunity to advance their agendas during the melee."

I'm tired of hearing what I consider leftist bullshiite. So, here's your chance to specify what illegal acts Trump supporters committed...where, what and when. Please be specific.

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posted January 16, 2021 06:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shura     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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shura
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posted January 16, 2021 06:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shura     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
Both sides have been whipped up into a frenzy. Many have committed illegal acts in the name of their leader, or other independent groups have seen an opportunity to advance their agendas during the melee.

It is a bona fide political and social mess.

Accusations and indications of paedophilia toward both potential leaders. If I had been an American, I would not have voted at all.

The lengths that individuals went to at the Capitol are terrifying from the outside looking in. The fact that it was so easy for them to get as far as they did is also terrifying.

I'd be voting with my feet and getting out ASAP.


Political and law enforcement response to left and right wing protests is absolutely worth further investigation imo.

However, why the Scottish, as one Euro example, are *not* storming the proverbial Bastille is beyond my understanding and to this Scottish-American's eternal disappointment.

I am forced to accept the notion that Western Europe is culturally dead, devoid of even a basic survival instinct, and if there is any vitality and vigor left on that continent, it is to be found in the Slavic nations almost exclusively.

I would like to be proven wrong.

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posted January 17, 2021 12:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://twitter.com/Lesdoggg/status/1350671786287927296?s=20

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posted January 17, 2021 05:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Voix_de_la_Mer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by jwhop:
"Both sides have been whipped up into a frenzy. [b]Many have committed illegal acts in the name of their leader, or other independent groups have seen an opportunity to advance their agendas during the melee."

I'm tired of hearing what I consider leftist bullshiite. So, here's your chance to specify what illegal acts Trump supporters committed...where, what and when. Please be specific.[/B]



Well Jwhop, I'm obviously no expert, and correct me if I am wrong, but taking the riot at the Capitol - isn't disrupting the democratic process by entering the Capitol building during proceedings, unlawful?
How many Trump supporters do you estimate to have forcibly entered that building?

Although it didn't appear too difficult to breach the police, many of whom are also said to be Trump supporters. Is it lawful for police to allow the Capitol building to be breached?

Ashli Babbitt was a Trump supporter who entered the building to disrupt proceedings rather than hold a peaceful protest outside.

I suspect most of the violence was committed by extremist groups who saw an opportunity for exposure at the protest. It's not uncommon for fringe groups to hop onto a protest simply for leverage. But this remains to be seen.

What media sources would you recommend for an accurate report of this incident?

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posted January 17, 2021 05:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Voix_de_la_Mer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by shura:
Political and law enforcement response to left and right wing protests is absolutely worth further investigation imo.

However, why the Scottish, as one Euro example, are *not* storming the proverbial Bastille is beyond my understanding and to this Scottish-American's eternal disappointment.

I am forced to accept the notion that Western Europe is culturally dead, devoid of even a basic survival instinct, and if there is any vitality and vigor left on that continent, it is to be found in the Slavic nations almost exclusively.

I would like to be proven wrong.



I agree. The weak police response is probably the biggest concern as that indicates systemic corruption where impartiality should be a given.

Storming the Bastille to what end? Independence?

TBH, I am surprised that unrest hasn't come sooner, but keep your eyes peeled this year. There have a been a few attempts to tarnish Nicola Sturgeon's reputation the last year between allegedly mishandling the sexual harassment case of her predecessor, and not putting her mask back on quickly enough after going to the toilet at a funeral.

I doubt this is enough for Scotland to turn on her, she is very respected, and her handling of the pandemic has increased public trust in her. If there is no indyref2, I think Scotland will react. People do not wish to be at the mercy of Mr Johnson or Westminster especially after his poor management of the pandemic, in addition to Scotland's wishes to remain in the EU being totally ignored.

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posted January 17, 2021 11:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Trump supporters didn't disrupt or attempt to disrupt the state electors certifications.

Biden's BLM and Antifa thugs did..in a false flag operation designed to blame Trump.

Trump supporters didn't storm the Capitol and force their way into the building.

Actually, The Capitol Police Opened The Doors And Invited Trump Supporters In

The prevailing narrative of the protest on Wednesday was that a gang of armed Trump supporters laid siege to the Capitol building, forcing their way in to riot and destroy. Upon further review it seems the Capitol Police opened the door and invited the Trump supporters in. Does that mean democrats don’t have to impeach President Trump or expel Josh Hawley and Ted Cruz from the Senate?

Here’s a video of the Trump supporters “forcing” their way into the Capitol:

Capitol police open doors for the protestors. They stand aside and invite them inside. pic.twitter.com/OnSd3KGzz5

— Christina Bobb (@christina_bobb) January 8, 2021

With Trump supporters lined up outside, suddenly the doors open. They must have known the secret knock because presumably those doors are locked from the inside. You can see on the right, one kindly Capitol Police officer holding the door open for the Trump supporters.

Once inside the Trump supporters calmly walked down a hallway lined with other officers, who seem to be welcoming the crowd. The cop with the mask actually gives his approval of the Trump supporters entering the Capitol by telling them they are free to “disagree with it,” meaning the certification of the Electoral College votes. The cop at the end almost seems like he’s telling everybody to have a good time with a series of courtesy nods.

This looks more like a field trip than a violent siege. I hope the Trump “rioters” used the buddy system to make sure they didn’t lost, or shot.

But who are you going to believe, your lying eyes or democrats who insist this was a violent takeover of our democracy?

This wasn’t a siege, a riot, or a terrorist attack. Trump supporters didn’t storm the Capitol, the Capitol Police opened the doors and invited them in. And let’s face it, our democracy, which is really a Republic, is the same as it was a couple days ago.

The Capitol Police are U.S law enforcement agency under the direct authority of Congress, not the President. If democrats need for some heads to roll for the 2-hour field trip to the Capitol by Trump supporters, they should size up their necks for the guillotine because they are the ones that allowed Wednesday’s protest to happen.

http://defconnews.com/2021/01/08/actually-the-capitol-police-ope ned-the-doors-and-invited-trump-supporters-in/

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posted January 17, 2021 11:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Voix_de_la_Mer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by jwhop:
Trump supporters didn't disrupt or attempt to disrupt the state electors certifications.

Biden's BLM and Antifa thugs did..in a false flag operation designed to blame Trump.

Trump supporters didn't storm the Capitol and force their way into the building.

[b]Actually, The Capitol Police Opened The Doors And Invited Trump Supporters In

The prevailing narrative of the protest on Wednesday was that a gang of armed Trump supporters laid siege to the Capitol building, forcing their way in to riot and destroy. Upon further review it seems the Capitol Police opened the door and invited the Trump supporters in. Does that mean democrats don’t have to impeach President Trump or expel Josh Hawley and Ted Cruz from the Senate?

Here’s a video of the Trump supporters “forcing” their way into the Capitol:

Capitol police open doors for the protestors. They stand aside and invite them inside. pic.twitter.com/OnSd3KGzz5

— Christina Bobb (@christina_bobb) January 8, 2021

With Trump supporters lined up outside, suddenly the doors open. They must have known the secret knock because presumably those doors are locked from the inside. You can see on the right, one kindly Capitol Police officer holding the door open for the Trump supporters.

Once inside the Trump supporters calmly walked down a hallway lined with other officers, who seem to be welcoming the crowd. The cop with the mask actually gives his approval of the Trump supporters entering the Capitol by telling them they are free to “disagree with it,” meaning the certification of the Electoral College votes. The cop at the end almost seems like he’s telling everybody to have a good time with a series of courtesy nods.

This looks more like a field trip than a violent siege. I hope the Trump “rioters” used the buddy system to make sure they didn’t lost, or shot.

But who are you going to believe, your lying eyes or democrats who insist this was a violent takeover of our democracy?

This wasn’t a siege, a riot, or a terrorist attack. Trump supporters didn’t storm the Capitol, the Capitol Police opened the doors and invited them in. And let’s face it, our democracy, which is really a Republic, is the same as it was a couple days ago.

The Capitol Police are U.S law enforcement agency under the direct authority of Congress, not the President. If democrats need for some heads to roll for the 2-hour field trip to the Capitol by Trump supporters, they should size up their necks for the guillotine because they are the ones that allowed Wednesday’s protest to happen.

http://defconnews.com/2021/01/08/actually-the-capitol-police-ope ned-the-doors-and-invited-trump-supporters-in/ [/B]


That is pretty damning footage, and very different from the videos I saw, which I assume were from later on when things got volatile.

I also wasn't aware that the Capitol police answer to congress and not the president, until you mentioned this in another thread.

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posted January 17, 2021 12:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Graham     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

There will always be those whose actions bring shame upon the USA ... and those whose actions show why America was, is and will always be great.

Unfortunately though ... from the perspective of the rest of the world ... the numbers of the former appear to be increasing whilst those of the latter appear to be decreasing.

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posted January 18, 2021 04:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Voix_de_la_Mer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@Jwhop

You may find this thread interesting. It links to the videos of the Capitol incident that were archived before Parler went down. Much of the footage conflicts:
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum26/HTML/005488.html

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posted January 18, 2021 04:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't see "both sides" here

I see one side that wants law and order, justice, equality, and a better country

I see another side that's brainwashed, delusional, irrational, violent, and only wants destruction and bigotry

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posted January 18, 2021 10:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Dems are the party of law and order now?

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

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posted January 19, 2021 12:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Voix_de_la_Mer

"Again and again, various people in the crowd decry those who are actually trying to do the violent work of breaching the building that the mob is pushing to enter. When a pudgy-cheeked young man jumps up onto the sill of a large window on the east face and smashes in four panes with his fists and feet and several cops rush over to tackle him, an onlooker shouts out: “The police are just doing their job. He’s breaking the law!” When a middle-aged man climbs up to one of the arched windows over the West Terrace doors that would become the site of the most violent clashes and starts trying to smash it in with a heavy tool, many in the crowd lash out at him as others pull him down. “Oh God no, stop! Stop!” “What the **** is wrong with him?” “He’s Antifa!”

And when two men who have, to great applause, climbed up onto a painter’s rig dangling in front of the building start trying to break the windows, the crowd turns on them. “Don’t break my house!” someone shouts. “No, no, no.”

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posted January 19, 2021 02:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for shura     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by BlueRoamer:

I see one side that wants law and order, justice, equality, and a better country


can you point me in the direction of this Party, BR? Because atm all I see are promises of reeducation camps, threats against political dissidents, and DC occupied by over 20,000 troops.

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posted January 19, 2021 04:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Voix_de_la_Mer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by BlueRoamer:
I don't see "both sides" here

I see one side that wants law and order, justice, equality, and a better country

I see another side that's brainwashed, delusional, irrational, violent, and only wants destruction and bigotry


I just see utter confusion. Did you watch the footage?

There appeared to be peaceful protesters combined with violent rioters combined with ethical police combined with corrupt police.

From what I've seen, I don't see how its possible yet to understand who did what at the Capitol. All we can hope for is that the investigations are conducted thoroughly and impartially

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posted January 19, 2021 11:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for shura     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
I just see utter confusion. Did you watch the footage?

There appeared to be peaceful protesters combined with violent rioters combined with ethical police combined with corrupt police.

From what I've seen, I don't see how its possible yet to understand who did what at the Capitol. All we can hope for is that the investigations are conducted thoroughly and impartially


we won't find out what really happened. Is there precedent for thorough and impartial investigations? lol no. At best they will throw us another 9-11/Warren Commission report.

It happened and its serving its purpose splendidly. That's all that matters.

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