posted January 28, 2021 07:14 AM            

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A man making false and misleading statements about Covid-19 tried to remove a sick coronavirus patient from East Surrey Hospital, and is wanted by police.

The man filmed himself arguing with doctors in the ward, demanding to be allowed to take the patient home. Doctors at the hospital are seen in the video warning against such an action - stating that the patient would die if he left their care.

It follows a trend of people filming supposedly "empty hospitals" and then posting them online and encouraging others to do the same, spread on social media platforms.

In a statement, Michael Wilson, chief executive of Surrey and Sussex Healthcare NHS Trust, said: "Any suggestion that Covid-19 doesn't exist or isn't serious is not only extremely disrespectful to the NHS staff caring for patients affected by the virus, but it also puts the lives of others at risk."

The video has been shared thousands of times on social media. The man behind the camera makes a number of discredited claims - albeit ones that are very popular in Covid-19 conspiracy communities online.

What's wrong with his statements?

Vitamins and zinc can't cure Covid-19
The doctor in the video describes the patient's condition and treatment, and notes that he's on a steroid called dexamethasone and antibiotics "to treat concurrent bacterial infections".

The man filming insists the patient should be given vitamin C, vitamin D, and zinc instead.

"None of those are proven treatments for coronavirus," the doctor replies.

Dexamethasone is an anti-inflammatory drug and trials have shown it can be effective in treating Covid-19.

While vitamin C, vitamin D and zinc are essential for the body and can support the immune system, they won't cure the disease.

The government does not think Covid-19 is harmless
The man behind the camera also claims that Covid-19 was "declassified on 19 March 2020 as no longer highly contagious infectious disease".

He is probably referring to a technical classification - high consequence infectious diseases (HCIDs). Covid initially had this classification in the UK but now does not.

This fact is used in online forums as "proof" that Covid-19 is not a real disease or that it is essentially harmless.

In reality, it means nothing of the sort. Covid is dangerous but HCIDs are very deadly. The designation refers to the fatality rate, and the category includes Ebola and Sars, which have case-fatality rates of about 50% and 15% respectively.

But just because Covid-19 does not have a fatality rate comparable to Ebola and Sars, it doesn't mean it's not a significant threat.

The coronavirus is real - and has been identified
The man filming also questions if Covid-19 has "been proven to exist?"

Claims that the virus had not been "identified" or "isolated" were very popular online in early 2020, and they linger on today. They are often used to imply there is some sort of vague cover-up or "hoax".

However, such claims are not true. The coronavirus genome was sequenced in early January 2020 - more than a year ago.

Wanted by police
The BBC attempted to contact Toby Hayden-Leigh, the man thought to have filmed the video.

In a statement, Surrey Police said they were looking for him in connection with a public nuisance offence.

East Surrey Detective Chief Inspector Kimball Edey said: "We would like to speak to Hayden-Leigh in connection with this incident, and the escalating abusive and threatening comments being made towards hospital staff on social media. These comments are extremely concerning, and are obviously causing considerable distress for those who are being targeted.

"He came into close proximity with a patient who remains seriously ill with Covid and may well have contracted the virus himself."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/55825480

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To see the video footage this person shot, click the link to the article.

posted January 28, 2021 02:36 PM            

I do not agree with people who randomly enter hospitals to argue with doctors, but if the sick person was my mom or my SO, you bet I would be THAT person arguing with the doctors that they ALSO include in her treatment along with whatever else they're doing, Vit D, Vit C, zinc, querceting and other supplements proven to help covid outcomes:

posted January 28, 2021 03:03 PM            

But I'm biased. I was apparently a herbalist in a former life

posted January 28, 2021 04:28 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
When my mother was in the hospital, my aunt was telling my dad about various things that should help her. He asked the doctor about them, and he said that the vitamins were included in what she was getting (through her IV, I guess).

I’ve seen doctors talking about what you can do to support your immune system, but that’s no guarantee that you will be fine.

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Your mum had a good doctor, I'm glad Teasel

posted January 29, 2021 05:22 AM            

No matter where this virus has come from and no matter whether there are agendas behind it, people are seriously ill and that's what we need to focus on right now.

posted January 30, 2021 03:53 AM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
http://i.imgur.com/6LvfhFB.jpg

This was one of her story posts.

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Yeah, it is really putting some people who should manage it well, through the ringer. I know there is a school of thought that the seriousness of covid19 was/is inflated, and I was suspicious of this too as all the messing around with numbers and definitions like 'dying with covid19' have cast doubt, but I am now swinging the other way. It is starting to look like it has been underestimated, especially over here amongst young, healthy people. Don't get me wrong, they aren't dying in their droves, but they are getting far sicker than they would with the flu.

posted January 31, 2021 05:07 AM            

That's good news about the people you know (besides the two older people). This gives hope.

I wonder if it is the mutated variety that is hitting people harder (I'm sure I read somewhere that one of them is leading to more severe disease). The two cases I spoke of fell ill very recently (within the last few weeks) so there's a high chance they have caught one of the mutated variants of the virus.

posted January 31, 2021 04:02 PM              

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Ive lost track of how many I know who have tested positive w/symptoms. Maybe 60ish. All but two have experienced what would otherwise be considered a mild cold to garden variety flu and for no longer than expected. One had symptoms for exactly 2 days! The remaining two, while not hospitalized, were sicker for longer than would be expected. They are both in their 60s, both overweight, generally unhealthy, pre existing conditions, ect.

The long hauler stories while rare are compelling and so curious. Im wondering what their state of health was previous to the infection and what medical care if any they were given while ill.

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I know several people tested positive (though I don't know which tests specifically--they are not designed equally by any means), and most of them with pretty minor to barely noticeable symptoms. The one who was in between moderately and severe (and by severe, I would mean hospitalization--she wasn't hospitalized, it was like a bad flu for her), happens to have Pisces Moon and strong Venus energy and is quite "mainstream" and fairly left leaning (i.e. not the most independent minded person in the world).

Why do I bring the latter up? Because what most people are not taking into account is the power of the subconscious mind and suggestion to same, as well as the constant FEAR, FEAR, FEAR that is being drummed into us 24/7 on all sides in corporate media and generally socially. Besides stress, fear, and worry affecting the immune system more negatively than pretty much any other single factor alone in an otherwise relatively healthy person, the subconscious/unconscious and suggestion side of things needs to be taken into account.

This CAN have an effect on people independent of the virus itself, believe it or not. There was a fascinating amateur experiment done among the Cayce group. Cayce's guidance had talked about the subconscious mind, the power of suggestion, etc, and people were seeking to understand it in a practical way, and asked for a way to demonstrate this. His source suggested, find a person who is healthy, and set up various people telling them things like, "hey, you don't look so good, are you feeling ok?" kind of statements over a period of time.

Anyways, a group of people decided to try this to see if there was anything to it. They picked someone who appeared to be in good health, and over the next couple of days, multiple people made suggestions to him that he was looking like he was getting sick essentially. At first, he would reply things like, "feeling fine, never better". But as time went on and more people suggested the same kind of thing, he started replying more things like, "you know, I am starting to feel a bit off".

What happened, after a couple of days of this, he developed a full blown cold.

So when media is full on blasting 24/7 to people, "be afraid, this is potentially deadly, etc, etc" over and over again, there is going to be a segment of the population, i.e. people more suggestable and impressionable, who might have ok to good health, that may be affected above and beyond the virus itself. Because they have such a strong belief that this is some serious and dangerous arse stuff.

If one doesn't "believe" in the power of the mind to affect the body, then they really need to look at Wim Hof, because most of what he does is using the power of the mind to overcome body reactions and he has broken countless records as well as revolutionized/turned upside down on its head, medical knowledge, when he showed in lab conditions that he could consciously control his immune response. And the guy has not only survived, but thrived through, cold exposure that most "experts" would categorically state would kill people no questions asked.

When people do this "unconsciously" we call it "placebo" as in placebo effect. Just because it is unconscious, it is no less real. Still has definite effects.

I've not seen anyone talk about this facet and level of this whole thing. Hence, I think it was worth mentioning. Illness, for a segment of the population, is also a way for people to get attention. Attention they might not otherwise receive.

I recently watched the documentary series The Vow, about a "mind control" type cult. Despite all the issues and problems with the group, there were little grains of truth here and there. One of members who got out, Sarah, talked about in the beginning (before she joined), when she was talking to a guy named Mark, she had a cold and a really bad cough. Mark was in the group at the time and didn't yet know the dark side of it. But from the tool set he had learned via this group, he pointed out to her that her cold/bad cough (in her/this particular case) was an unconscious way of getting attention (I got a very strong Aries and Taurus combo vibe from this lady, and seems she would need/want more attention than most). That clicked with her, and she realized it was true, and that she had done this for much of her life. She almost immediately got over the cold/bad cough after the awareness.

It would be really nice and convenient if we lived in this black and white reality of mechanistic gears and obvious cause and effect, but the more I learn about the true nature of reality, the more I realize that we are only scratching the surface of what the big picture of reality really is, how the human mind and psyche works, etc.

We (humans in general) are toddlers in this conscious perceiving and understanding at this point. We probably know more about space/the outer cosmos than we do the subconscious, the Soul, the nonphysical, etc, and how it all works. Many don't even acknowledge or recognize that such even exists to begin with.

posted March 23, 2021 01:34 PM            

Oh that video like picture of the corona virus is a computer simulation.scientist to claim they had 37 match pairscof amino acids.the virus has over 30000 matched pairs so they gave 37 match pairs to a computer to fill in the other 30000.that micrograph they love to show is nothing.

posted March 23, 2021 02:40 PM            

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Originally posted by todd:
This hoax is obviously by the blatantly disregard for truth.
Covid has not been isolated or purified.I notice that this lie is not accompanied by any verification.TheCDC admits it can not grow corona virus and does not have any stock of this corona virus-pure lies line the rest of the "evidence"

Oh that video like picture of the corona virus is a computer simulation.scientist to claim they had 37 match pairscof amino acids.the virus has over 30000 matched pairs so they gave 37 match pairs to a computer to fill in the other 30000.that micrograph they love to show is nothing.

Everything out of the covid enablers is scientific bunk.there is no science .

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