posted February 12, 2021 04:12 PM            

Here are some of Lincoln’s notable defeats:

In 1832, he ran for a seat in the Illinois State Legislature and lost. Two years later, he won and was re-elected three times.

In 1838, he aspired to become speaker of the state legislature and lost.

In 1840, he sought to become an elector in the Electoral College and lost.

In 1843, he ran for the House of Representatives and lost. When he ran again in 1846, he won.

In 1854, he ran for the U.S. Senate and lost.

In 1856, he sought the vice-presidential nomination at this party’s national convention and got fewer than 100 votes.

In 1858, he ran for the U.S. Senate again and lost again.

posted February 13, 2021 01:09 AM            

But, like Muhammad Ali, the soul that was driving that chart actually used it to get what was wanted by the evolutionary planets.

posted February 13, 2021 04:28 AM            

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Originally posted by Graham:
An astrologically interesting thing about Abe is that his natal chart is that of a man who "would sell his grandmother, to get what he wants".

But, like Muhammad Ali, the soul that was driving that chart actually used it to get what was wanted by the evolutionary planets.

Hence, along with others (like Winston Churchill), these two eternal-souls+one-lifetime-egos illustrate how/why cold readings of natal charts (and their derivatives) can be misleading.

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I'm rather surprised by the above assertion. I don't know how accurate or not this chart is, but IF it is relatively accurate, Lincoln actually has an unusually fast vibratory and spiritualized chart: http://www.astro.com/cgi/showgif.cgi?lang=&gif=astro_2atw_abraham_lincoln.32549.21346.png&res=90&wiki=2&adbtitle=Astro-Databank%20chart%20of%20Abraham%20Lincoln%20born%20on%2012%2 0February%201809&adblink=/astro-databank/Lincoln,_Abraham

This is seen by the three fastest vibratory Planets, Neptune, Jupiter, and Sun, which correspond to the upper 2 Centers i.e. the Pineal and Pituitary, being the most highlighted Planets in the entire chart, with the Sun, the most expanded and fastest vibratory symbol in our little Solar system, being the strongest/most highlighted symbol of the chart. He has the necessary, pre attunement to both Pisces, Neptune, and to Jupiter to attune to the golden light level of the Sun, and not to the lower octave, slower vibratory, more Leo like attunement of the Sun as in the high orange (this is most common when the violet-purple spectrum, i.e. either Neptune, Jupiter, and/or Pisces has not yet been mastered and integrated).

Then to further support that, the Universal Signs by far (i.e. Sag to Pisces) are the most highlighted Signs, followed by a secondary focus on the Interpersonal Signs (i.e. Virgo to Scorpio).

To further support this pattern of a very old soul type, we see unions of opposites. For example, both Aquarius and its "semi opposite", the Sun, are very highlighted simultaneously. Unions of opposites, happen most often in older Souls and their charts, because they have so much balance and integration. They are more innately balanced and whole.

The most difficult/challenging part of this chart is the close'ish Moon Mars square (separating), with Mars in 8th House. However, this is offset by a slightly closer and stronger trine (applying) to the very highlighted Sun. Also, the Signs involved (Capricorn and Libra) would damp down some of the tendencies towards rash and impulsive anger and passion. Then Aries Venus.

Sounds like in relationships with women close to him, he may have been more selfish and/or controlling, OR may have just attracted/be attracted to some very "fire cracker" and strong women.

Possibly the Taurus South Node in the 2nd with Venus in Aries could indicate some selfishness and materialism, BUT it is powerfully counter balanced by Venus being so closely trine the very powerful Sag. Neptune, indicating a deeply mystical-religious undertone to the Venusian Taurus pattern. Remember, Planetary energies tend to be stronger/more concentrated, and more steady/consistent than Sign. Cayce's guidance called Signs that of the "wavering" indications and did so for a reason. They relate more to the personality level of us, while the Planets relate more to the Soul level.

All in all, this was probably some ET Soul coming in from a more expanded and Love attuned system, very fast vibratory. Besides his strong spiritual attunement, he was probably also unusually intuitive for one connected to a male body at such a time.

I realize that I read and look at charts probably quite differently than most (I almost sense/perceive something like an aura painting when I tune in more deeply), but still, am truly perplexed by the above statement.

posted February 13, 2021 10:07 PM            

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Originally posted by Graham:
Several years have passed since I looked at Abe's chart, and I can no longer recall my reason for doing so. However, since I regard Lincoln as someone whose life accelerated the evolution of the human race, it very much surprised me at the time that his chart described a man who would sell his grandmother to get what he wanted.

For me though, it just increased my admiration for this soul - which had (in my opinion) incarnated with such a chart because it equipped the one-lifetime ego with the skills required to get what was wanted by the evolutionary planets at that time.

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Agreed with the bolded part. As to the rest, will just say that usually Like attracts, begets, and resonates with Like.

posted February 14, 2021 12:53 AM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
Wrong. Lincoln and every founding father would have acquitted. That is, if they even allowed such an unconstitutional farce in the first place.

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posted February 14, 2021 01:06 AM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion:
I'm rather surprised by the above assertion. I don't know how accurate or not this chart is, but IF it is relatively accurate, Lincoln actually has an unusually fast vibratory and spiritualized chart: [URL=http://www.astro.com/cgi/showgif.cgi?lang=&gif=astro_2atw_abraham_lincoln.32549.21346.png&res=90&wiki=2&adbtitle=Astro-Databank%20chart%20of%20Abraham%20Lincoln%20born%20on%20 12%2]http://www.astro.com/cgi/showgif.cgi?lang=&gif=astro_2atw_abraham_lincoln.32549.21346.png&res=90&wiki=2&adbtitle=Astro-Databank%20chart%20of%20Abraham%20Lincoln%20born%20on%20 12%2[/URL] 0February%201809&adblink=/astro-databank/Lincoln,_Abraham

This is seen by the three fastest vibratory Planets, Neptune, Jupiter, and Sun, which correspond to the upper 2 Centers i.e. the Pineal and Pituitary, being the most highlighted Planets in the entire chart, with the Sun, the most expanded and fastest vibratory symbol in our little Solar system, being the strongest/most highlighted symbol of the chart. He has the necessary, pre attunement to both Pisces, Neptune, and to Jupiter to attune to the golden light level of the Sun, and not to the lower octave, slower vibratory, more Leo like attunement of the Sun as in the high orange (this is most common when the violet-purple spectrum, i.e. either Neptune, Jupiter, and/or Pisces has not yet been mastered and integrated).

Then to further support that, the Universal Signs by far (i.e. Sag to Pisces) are the most highlighted Signs, followed by a secondary focus on the Interpersonal Signs (i.e. Virgo to Scorpio).

To further support this pattern of a very old soul type, we see unions of opposites. For example, both Aquarius and its "semi opposite", the Sun, are very highlighted simultaneously. Unions of opposites, happen most often in older Souls and their charts, because they have so much balance and integration. They are more innately balanced and whole.

The most difficult/challenging part of this chart is the close'ish Moon Mars square (separating), with Mars in 8th House. However, this is offset by a slightly closer and stronger trine (applying) to the very highlighted Sun. Also, the Signs involved (Capricorn and Libra) would damp down some of the tendencies towards rash and impulsive anger and passion. Then Aries Venus.

Sounds like in relationships with women close to him, he may have been more selfish and/or controlling, OR may have just attracted/be attracted to some very "fire cracker" and strong women.

Possibly the Taurus South Node in the 2nd with Venus in Aries could indicate some selfishness and materialism, BUT it is powerfully counter balanced by Venus being so closely trine the very powerful Sag. Neptune, indicating a deeply mystical-religious undertone to the Venusian Taurus pattern. Remember, Planetary energies tend to be stronger/more concentrated, and more steady/consistent than Sign. Cayce's guidance called Signs that of the "wavering" indications and did so for a reason. They relate more to the personality level of us, while the Planets relate more to the Soul level.

All in all, this was probably some ET Soul coming in from a more expanded and Love attuned system, very fast vibratory. Besides his strong spiritual attunement, he was probably also unusually intuitive for one connected to a male body at such a time.

I realize that I read and look at charts probably quite differently than most (I almost sense/perceive something like an aura painting when I tune in more deeply), but still, am truly perplexed by the above statement.

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posted February 14, 2021 02:05 AM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
I went through a phase of wanting to read about him, because he sounded like such an interesting person. He is linked to my birthday in an unfortunate way - that’s when he was shot. Maybe I’ll get around to reading those books, this year.

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Let me know if they're any good.

posted February 14, 2021 09:42 AM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion:
Agreed with the bolded part. As to the rest, will just say that usually Like attracts, begets, and resonates with Like.

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posted February 14, 2021 10:02 AM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
Wrong. Lincoln and every founding father would have acquitted. That is, if they even allowed such an unconstitutional farce in the first place.

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Lincoln would have recognised that putting Trump on trial would serve only to add fuel to the fire which is currently dividing the USA. ... Hence, he would not have done so - even if he believed him to be guilty.

posted February 14, 2021 10:38 PM            

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Hmmm, perhaps should clarify. I was trying to save folks from the usual lengthy, holistic, pedantic essay style post.. but now I know why I write as I tend to.

First, the latter comment in my previous reply was not directed at you personally. I was saying that when it comes to world movements that are very crucial to the evolution of humanity, the Creative Forces don't send in a Soul that is "on the fence" and who "might" use their freewill in a positive, constructive manner, but rather they usually send in an unusually fast vibratory, and "tried and true", tested/long time Helper who is more apt to keep on the path even under extreme and stressful circumstances. Earth and human life is considered one of the "biggest gambles" this side of the Universe. We are the red neck, hillbilly-Gangsta-tough/violent neighborhoods of this Universe par excellence. Guidance doesn't incarnate here without due preparation and planning. You study everything, suit up, put on your bullet proof vest, and walk quietly in with your fingers crossed ("Please, please, don't let me f this lifetime up" [speaking from multiple experience on this one]).

Or in other words, they don't send in former Bobus the Slaver from Rome's "glory days" to "try to play" a Dr. King, Lincoln, Yeshua, Ra Ta, Gandhi, etc type role. Too much f'ing risk and guidance ain't stupid, though humans often are. In Yeshua's case, Cayce outlines that Yeshua had incarnated in a number of helper/guide/spiritual teacher type roles previous to his entrance as the Teacher of teachers. And not only that, but in the beginning, his Spirit/Monad was the literal Co-Creator of this particular Uni/Multi-verse, and happened to be the first child of Source to consciously realize and move into full union with same.

Even in Edgar Cayce and Ra Ta's case, this source said that this Spirit had had a number of facilitator/helper/guide/spiritual teacher roles--hence, tried and trued, tested. Not some "hack job" who is just starting to grow up.

In other words, I don't think your earlier theory and belief really holds water. Also, I pointed out quite clearly and holistically that Lincoln actually has an unusually fast vibratory and very "old Soul" chart when delineated aright. I suspect that Solar (and thus probably also "Leo") prejudice was a likely culprit--makes sense for someone with Virgo Rising with ASC ruler in Scorpio, along with Sun in Scorpio, and Moon in Cancer. Not someone particularly fond of Leo energy and might develop biases to the Sun by default. "That uber visible, Sun closely conjunct ASC Lincoln chart, probably a real egotistical d!ck by nature, wonder how his Soul managed to change THAT..."

And yet, the lack is not in the Sun nor in Lincoln's chart, but in a lack of proper and full understanding of Solar potential. The very physicalized "God force" and representative of our little system. (On a semi related note, Cayce's Spirit's other Soul self, the spiritual teacher and holistic healer, Ra Ta--the name literally meant/symbolized "Sun brought to Earth" and while he certainly did screw up in some ways, he also helped A LOT of people and helped nudge the entire world into a very positive direction ultimately. Cayce's guidance in one reading refers to him as a "savior" of the peoples and also propheisies that he will be reincarnated sometime between 58 to 98, to become a potential "liberator" to the world and peoples in those periods to come, a sort of revamping and higher octave of his former role. One would hope that this soul doesn't become an egotistical d!ck, so that he can fulfill his long and well planned purpose.)