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teasel
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posted February 16, 2021 03:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
‘I Miss My Mom’: Children Of QAnon Believers Are Desperately Trying To Deradicalize Their Own Parents

http://www.huffpost.com/entry/children-of-qanon-believers_n_601078e9c5b6c5586aa49077

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posted February 16, 2021 05:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Its sad when people drink the bad kool aid

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posted February 16, 2021 07:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shura     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's sad when politics drives a wedge between family members.

I had a family member, long deceased, who was convinced Oswald did not murder JFK. How tame that sounds now! This was late 70s/early 80s tho when it was the primo crackpot conspiracy of the day. In true Qanon fashion, this person did "the research" - not so easy a task pre internet! Out of state travel, time lost and money invested, etc. Walls covered with newspaper clippings and hand drawn maps. Paranoid delusions set in. eg Cia bugging the phones! The thing is does anyone fully believe the Warren Commission? Ive never met anyone who believes the official story hook line and sinker.

Like the poor, we will always have mentally unbalanced people. But what's driving the high percentage today? Why so many? What in our culture is causing this epidemic?

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posted February 20, 2021 03:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Voix_de_la_Mer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by shura:
It's sad when politics drives a wedge between family members.

I had a family member, long deceased, who was convinced Oswald did not murder JFK. How tame that sounds now! This was late 70s/early 80s tho when it was the primo crackpot conspiracy of the day. In true Qanon fashion, this person did "the research" - not so easy a task pre internet! Out of state travel, time lost and money invested, etc. Walls covered with newspaper clippings and hand drawn maps. Paranoid delusions set in. eg Cia bugging the phones! The thing is does anyone fully believe the Warren Commission? Ive never met anyone who believes the official story hook line and sinker.

Like the poor, we will always have mentally unbalanced people. But what's driving the high percentage today? Why so many? What in our culture is causing this epidemic?


Oh I don't know, maybe project MKUltra? They should do a 'Where are they Now?' on those participants and their families, but of course they won't.

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Project MKUltra (or MK-Ultra), also called the CIA mind control program, is the code name given to a program of experiments on human subjects that were designed and undertaken by the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency, some of which were illegal.[1][2][3] Experiments on humans were intended to identify and develop drugs and procedures to be used in interrogations in order to weaken the individual and force confessions through mind control. The project was organized through the Office of Scientific Intelligence of the CIA and coordinated with the United States Army Biological Warfare Laboratories.[4] Other code names for drug-related experiments were Project Bluebird and Project Artichoke.[5][6]

The operation was officially sanctioned in 1953, reduced in scope in 1964 and further curtailed in 1967. It was officially halted in 1973. The program also engaged in illegal activities,[7][8][9] including the use of U.S. and Canadian citizens as its unwitting test subjects, which led to controversy regarding its legitimacy.[7](p74)[10][11][12] MKUltra used numerous methods to manipulate its subjects' mental states and brain functions. Techniques included the covert administration of high doses of psychoactive drugs (especially LSD) and other chemicals, electroshocks,[13] hypnosis,[14][15] sensory deprivation, isolation, and verbal and sexual abuse, in addition to other forms of torture.[16][17]

The scope of Project MKUltra was broad, with research undertaken at more than 80 institutions, including colleges and universities, hospitals, prisons, and pharmaceutical companies.[18] The CIA operated using front organizations, although sometimes top officials at these institutions were aware of the CIA's involvement.[19]

Project MKUltra was first brought to public attention in 1975 by the Church Committee of the United States Congress and Gerald Ford's United States President's Commission on CIA activities within the United States (also known as the Rockefeller Commission).

Investigative efforts were hampered by CIA Director Richard Helms's order that all MKUltra files be destroyed in 1973; the Church Committee and Rockefeller Commission investigations relied on the sworn testimony of direct participants and on the relatively small number of documents that survived Helms's destruction order.[20] In 1977, a Freedom of Information Act request uncovered a cache of 20,000 documents relating to project MKUltra which led to Senate hearings later that year.[7][21] Some surviving information regarding MKUltra was declassified in July 2001. In December 2018, declassified documents included a letter to an unidentified doctor discussing work on six dogs made to run, turn and stop via remote control and brain implants.[22][23]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKUltra


I wonder how many other such 'experiments' have not been declassified.

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posted February 20, 2021 10:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Definitions, boundaries, are MORPHING..

From where I am, I'm watching the MAGA blend of QAnon, ProudBoys, OathKeepers, NeoNazi, White Supremacy, JewHaters, and whatever other 'cells' are surfacing in-network now. And {horribly sad} on another hand, is that people of black/brown/color single 'me' out {Caucasian} as an emblem{member-- by skin color} OF the hateful Nationalistic MAGA-blends.

In my life I've been a Christian... but NOW? .. Nationalist-Christian-Politicals have MORPHED what true Christianity means.

I feel depressed, and that is NOT like 'me'.
I feel sick from all this, it's affecting my health to try to absorb and Understand what's going on in my country, my culture, my State.

I don't "fit the mold"...
The "new age" is NOT a good thing because you MUST "conform" to a 'popular trend' or.. die for no resources.

*tears*....
This is awful...

My skin color (in the poor low economics class) identifies that (in their minds) I HAVE to be QAnon,etc,Maga, -- I'm FAR-not into conspiracy, not into participation with HATE Groups.

My God!!!!!! What's Happening?

I need a relocation FROM the Geographic area associated with Nationalism, and Hate-- Skin wars, are here again.

I went through this crap in my childhood.
I don't want to RELIVE it.

I need to relocate, and be with people whom I resonate with. And at this point, *they* will have to find ME.

I need sanctuary.

I need to BE with people who are INTO Making a Difference. I am tooooo isolated here, and OUT of my Zone. Need to know WHO my People are!!, and for *them* to come get me.

I can't operate like this. Can't be productive.

And the *sonics* hit EVERY Day!!! from approximately 8:30 am through 12:45 am the next day. My physical sensory system goes into pain-states which kind of knock me offline. Absorbs 90% of my ability to be productive.

The man I've lived with for near 14 YEARS is a narcissist..... I need Help.

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Sorry for being so blunt.
This is a terrible situation...
I HOPE there are people who love and accept me still reading my posts.

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posted February 20, 2021 01:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GalacticCoreExplosion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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My skin color (in the poor low economics class) identifies that (in their minds) I HAVE to be QAnon,etc,Maga, -- my skin color (in the poor low economics class) identifies that (in their minds) I HAVE to be QAnon,etc,Maga, --I'm FAR-not into conspiracy, not into participation with HATE Groups.

The above is a kind of false equivalency. There are many so called conspiracy theories that have nothing to do with hate whatsoever. Many that just question OVERTLY/OBVIOUSLY corrupt power structures.

As to the term conspiracy theorist in general, it's interesting to note that in the freedom of information act released files, there are some references in the CIA database CREST to the term from the 50's and 60's wherein these CIA files talk about purposely using the term in a public and derogatory manner to describe people who question government.

Basically a form of, and attempt at "character assassination" in an underhanded, psychological warfare kind of way.

If you are a common person and not super rich and well connected, then one's relation with the government is a bit like living with a high spectrum narcissist, or sociopath. You are gas-lit at every turn. Constantly lied to, constantly manipulated.

WMD's in Iraq? Sure, in the north east south west quadrant for sure.

I used to dislike the term "sheeple", because I figured it was overly harsh and judgmental, and yet, it perfectly describes a certain segment of the population that is so filled with fear, so unconscious, and so willfully naive as to not allow themselves to question anything while practically salivating at licking the boots of so called authority--at least when it's their "team".

The sheeple and conspiracy theorists may just be an odd, polarized shadow reflection of each other. One far too naive and/or trusting for their own good, and others a little too paranoid at times for their own good. It's a little like the Taurus-Scorpio axis/polarity. Taurus being the not too critically thinking cow that gets dumbly led to slaughter while thinking, "oh, WOW, we're going to the amazing Island where all my dreams will come true, and there is green grass galore to munch on all day", while Scorpio looks for and finds underhanded plots and insinuation in every dark corner.

Believe it or not, there is a middle way, a balance between the two. To realize that corruption does indeed exist, but to use discernment, holistic logic, evidence, etc to suss out where it does actually exist. It used to be called "good investigative journalism" and/or "whistleblowing", but these are sadly dying arts and movements.

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posted February 20, 2021 02:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mirage, I am sorry you feel this way. I am glad you are reaching out because we need to start having real conversations about what is happening in this country. Two things jumped out to me in your post.

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...And {horribly sad} on another hand, is that people of black/brown/color single 'me' out {Caucasian} as an emblem{member-- by skin color} OF the hateful Nationalistic MAGA-blends.

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My skin color (in the poor low economics class) identifies that (in their minds) I HAVE to be QAnon,etc,Maga, -- I'm FAR-not into conspiracy, not into participation with HATE Groups.


Maybe it's just me, but I feel that you are missing the bigger picture. Are you aware of this thing called Critical Race Theory that is being pushed right now to be taught in schools from elementary up? According to this theory, by virtue of your skin color (caucasian) you are guilty of far greater ills than being MAGA. They want to start teaching children in elementary schools that if you are white, you are automatically an oppressor, and if you are black or of color, you are automatically oppressed.

This is being pushed down the throat of unsuspecting children by THE SAME PEOPLE WHO ARE CLAIMING THAT EVERY TRUMP SUPPORTER IS A DOMESTIC TERRORIST.

So if the woke brigate succeeds in having this implemented in school, there will be no place in the US where you can relocate and feel safe.

And this is the bigger picture people imo are missing. There are shadowy forces trying to split/destroy American society as we know it. These forces are fomenting civil war by pitting the races against each other. And who is going to benefit if the US crumbles and is no longer the world's dominant power?

The answer lies in the Great Reset program. They've already told you in your face last year the goals they aim to achieve by 2030, but apparently people are not paying attention.

I don't know if the radical left know they are being used as pawns for the Great Reset goals. I suspect they are clueless... That is why I don't think the issue facing the world is a left vs right issue, though this is what THEY, the architects of The Great Reset want you to believe.

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posted February 20, 2021 02:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
(Continued)

And the one thing the Great Reset architects are not telling you (they can't tell you everything to your face) is that they are great admirers of the way the CCP operates. China's economically successful model of an authoritarian state where a few at the top control everything is what they want to see happen globally. So the Great Reset and CCP go hand in hand.

But first they need to take the US down. By fomenting civil war and crushing the economy. The economic downfall has already started.

Have you noticed during this plandemic, China has done quite well? Its GDP for 2020 increased while the US' dropped. The major Big tech companies have done quite well. The Big pharmas have done quite well. Do you think this is by coincidence?

But the peons are kept busy fighting among themselves along racial and sexual identity politics lines to keep them distracted from the major issues.

In the meantime, Gates has become the largest private farmland owner in the US. Why isn't alarm bells ringing all over the US?

Indian farmers are committing suicide at the rate of 10,000 a year and have finally taken to the streets to protest new government regulations. But I digress. All I want to say is BIG PICTURE, people, BIG PICTURE!

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posted February 20, 2021 04:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shura     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
voix .... Im maybe not understanding something here. You're suggesting increased suicide rates, increase in violent crime, commonplace psychiatric drug use (1 in 4 women in the US), antidepressants gobbled up like candy (48% rise in Scotland 2019), and ... yk what nevermind the endless drone of stats let's just say people are, more so every year, rootless, anxious, confused and generally nutso. And all this is due to MKUltra?

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posted February 21, 2021 12:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Voix_de_la_Mer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@Mirage,

I just want to say that I love and accept you, and I always enjoy your posts.

I'm so sorry for your situation just now, but I really understand the need to be with people who resonate with you. I hope they get to you, or you to them. Your astute and understanding nature puts you at risk from narcissistic people, I'm sorry you had to find this out. Follow your urges, your heart knows where to find the rejuvenation you need

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posted February 21, 2021 01:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Voix_de_la_Mer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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voix .... Im maybe not understanding something here. You're suggesting increased suicide rates, increase in violent crime, commonplace psychiatric drug use (1 in 4 women in the US), antidepressants gobbled up like candy (48% rise in Scotland 2019), and ... yk what nevermind the endless drone of stats let's just say people are, more so every year, rootless, anxious, confused and generally nutso. And all this is due to MKUltra?

I wasn't aware we were talking in absolutes. MKUltra responsible for ALL of this? Probably not. Can we know for sure? No.

As for psychiatry, do you really think they are treating actual 'illnesses' most of the time? About 70% of so-called mental health patients would have done just fine with 3-6months of therapy. But they were given powerful drugs and yes, even experimented on right up to the 70s. Psychiatry is not the moral high ground it proposes to be. Many immoral and dangerous 'treatments' have been conducted on relatively healthy people for the purposes of research. MKultra was not just a project in America, it had many other forms under other names and under the guise of 'treatment'.

Remember the unmarried mothers? Baby removed, forcibly hospitalised, forcibly medicated, discharged with an epic benzo addiction and decades later prescriptions removed because suddenly we are afraid of the addiction. What happened to these women? Psychosis, depression, suicide, medical emergencies. So yes, that's just one example of poor psychiatry leading to social and mental health problems. Those women were not even unwell, they just fell in love or were raped. They were sure unwell once the system was finished 'fixing' them.

Don't even start me on the 1990 Community Care Act. So I certainly don't absolve societal systems for these problems. But god knows the true magnitude of the impact of MKUltra. You should read through the declassified documents, they can all be found online now.

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posted February 21, 2021 01:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shura     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The public sphere ... including but not confined to social media! ... has become, I believe intentionally, extremely politicized, divisive, and unforgiving. This Beast will either break you or subsume you. Only the most clear headed, non reactionary, and well trained will survive.

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posted February 21, 2021 01:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shura     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
I wasn't aware we were talking in absolutes. MKUltra responsible for ALL of this? Probably not. Can we know for sure? No.

Ty for pointing that out. Your op didnt suggest MKUltra was one of many causes.

I suppose you might make a case that the effects of MKUltra experiments focused on media, political, and academic centers have trickled down into the general pop.

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As for psychiatry, do you really think they are treating actual 'illnesses' most of the time? About 70% of so-called mental health patients would have done just fine with 3-6months of therapy. But they were given powerful drugs and yes, even experimented on right up to the 70s. Psychiatry is not the moral high ground it proposes to be. Many immoral and dangerous 'treatments' have been conducted on relatively healthy people for the purposes of research. MKultra was not just a project in America, it had many other forms under other names and under the guise of 'treatment'.

Remember the unmarried mothers? Baby removed, forcibly hospitalised, forcibly medicated, discharged with an epic benzo addiction and decades later prescriptions removed because suddenly we are afraid of the addiction. What happened to these women? Psychosis, depression, suicide, medical emergencies. So yes, that's just one example of poor psychiatry leading to social and mental health problems. Those women were not even unwell, they just fell in love or were raped. They were sure unwell once the system was finished 'fixing' them.

Don't even start me on the 1990 Community Care Act. So I certainly don't absolve societal systems for these problems. But god knows the true magnitude of the impact of MKUltra. You should read through the declassified documents, they can all be found online now.


No, I don't believe they are "actual illnesses" and, yes, I suspect the psychiatric community is overmedicating. I also suspect talk therapy and behavioral modification therapy often do more harm than good.

What Im trying to get at here is a sort mass psychic unrest. Ofc we will always have a percentage of genuine mental illness sufferers among us, the non functional, truly psychotic. But Im speaking of those semi functional, yet disturbed folks I know many of us have noticed a marked increase in. So widespread it becomes normalized. I can't not suspect the cause is equally widespread.

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posted February 21, 2021 01:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shura     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Don't even start me on the 1990 Community Care Act.

please do

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posted February 21, 2021 06:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh, mirage. Ohio can be just as bad.

I know that one woman, who destroyed the mask stand in Target, said that she was diagnosed as bipolar, and that when covid hit, she went down a Q rabbit hole.

I know that the occasional conspiracy theory is real, like the black panther who was murdered. Fred Hampton. But democrats molesting and eating babies, and trump preparing to save the day, and execute them? It all sounds like a really bad movie that you'd find on one of the free streaming services, for really bad movies. I remember talk of mass hysteria, last year, and the thread-starter didn't want to hear about the bots on social media, furthering hysteria and divisiveness, to suit their favourite political party. Viral videos were great, and not questioned, but real things that are happening, can be dismissed.

I've heard that Qanon is actually diverting attention away from how people can really help to fight sex-traffickers, because they're putting all of their energy and attention into fiction, not the reality of it all.

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posted February 21, 2021 06:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion:
The above is a kind of false equivalency. There are many so called conspiracy theories that have nothing to do with hate whatsoever. Many that just question OVERTLY/OBVIOUSLY corrupt power structures.

As to the term conspiracy theorist in general, it's interesting to note that in the freedom of information act released files, there are some references in the CIA database CREST to the term from the 50's and 60's wherein these CIA files talk about purposely using the term in a public and derogatory manner to describe people who question government.

Basically a form of, and attempt at "character assassination" in an underhanded, psychological warfare kind of way.

If you are a common person and not super rich and well connected, then one's relation with the government is a bit like living with a high spectrum narcissist, or sociopath. You are gas-lit at every turn. Constantly lied to, constantly manipulated.

WMD's in Iraq? Sure, in the north east south west quadrant for sure.

I used to dislike the term "sheeple", because I figured it was overly harsh and judgmental, and yet, it perfectly describes a certain segment of the population that is so filled with fear, so unconscious, and so willfully naive as to not allow themselves to question anything while practically salivating at licking the boots of so called authority--at least when it's their "team".

The sheeple and conspiracy theorists may just be an odd, polarized shadow reflection of each other. One far too naive and/or trusting for their own good, and others a little too paranoid at times for their own good. It's a little like the Taurus-Scorpio axis/polarity. Taurus being the not too critically thinking cow that gets dumbly led to slaughter while thinking, "oh, WOW, we're going to the amazing Island where all my dreams will come true, and there is green grass galore to munch on all day", while Scorpio looks for and finds underhanded plots and insinuation in every dark corner.

Believe it or not, there is a middle way, a balance between the two. To realize that corruption does indeed exist, but to use discernment, holistic logic, evidence, etc to suss out where it does actually exist. It used to be called "good investigative journalism" and/or "whistleblowing", but these are sadly dying arts and movements.


Except that the term "sheeple" has been used for people like me, who are anything but "sheep" and know all about middle ground.

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posted February 21, 2021 06:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by shura:
please do

I wouldn't mind, either, if you want to get into it. If you don't, that's fine.

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posted February 21, 2021 09:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shura     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Oh, mirage. Ohio can be just as bad.

I know that one woman, who destroyed the mask stand in Target, said that she was diagnosed as bipolar, and that when covid hit, she went down a Q rabbit hole.

I know that the occasional conspiracy theory is real, like the black panther who was murdered. Fred Hampton. But democrats molesting and eating babies, and trump preparing to save the day, and execute them? It all sounds like a really bad movie that you'd find on one of the free streaming services, for really bad movies. I remember talk of mass hysteria, last year, and the thread-starter didn't want to hear about the bots on social media, furthering hysteria and divisiveness, to suit their favourite political party. Viral videos were great, and not questioned, but real things that are happening, can be dismissed.

I've heard that Qanon is actually diverting attention away from how people can really help to fight sex-traffickers, because they're putting all of their energy and attention into fiction, not the reality of it all.


Your willingness to brush off the Hunter Biden tapes leads me to suspect you haven't followed the peculiarly high number of Demo politician and activists arrested on child porn/abuse charges. Would you care to discuss a few? There's a long list to choose from.

pedophilia is a luxury, an acquired taste, among the powerful and connected. The bourgeoisie, with their provincial puritanical "morals" don't understand this. It is also a successful means of blackmailing members of that bourgeoisie.

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posted February 22, 2021 01:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Voix_de_la_Mer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@ Shura and Teasel,

basically they abruptly discharged masses of people who they had institutionalised as inpatients in mental hospitals (many of whom should never have been inpatient in the first place) into the community, many without life skills, families, and with myriad health problems due to the medications. So many of these people died in the community because they did not have the skills to function. They wanted the hospitals closed to save money. Many of these people took their life because they couldn't cope. They had been deskilled and isolated from society for decades and then basically thrown out with weekly appts. It was a disaster.

Most of those who didn't end their lives or die of neglect, alcoholism or drugs, are still in the system. Still drugged to the eyeballs, still isolated, still vulnerable and at risk. Their lives revolving around weekly psychiatric nurse appts, groups with no clear recovery focus or plans, and repeated crisis episodes caused by 'normal' life stressors that they are not equipped to deal with after being in hospital too long.

It's another example of the system creating a bigger problem than we started with, then washing its hands. Discarding the people that it made dependent to the wolves because their dependency costs too much. Inhumane.

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posted February 22, 2021 02:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GalacticCoreExplosion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Except that the term "sheeple" has been used for people like me, who are anything but "sheep" and know all about middle ground.

Like anything in life, it's a fluid spectrum and one can move up and down the spectrum depending on how one uses their freewill. I've had my moments and periods of sheepleness/over naitivity, and I've had my moments and periods of over conspiracy theory.

From this perspective, you could question and discern a lot more, especially when it comes to your chosen "team". You seem to have a base belief that Democrats = more or less the "good guys", and Republicans = more or less the "bad guys".

Besides being rather over simplistic, and just not objectively true, it's quite naive of a perspective and belief. There are many, many wolves in sheeps clothing on the Democrat side. You seem to like to focus on the obvious wolves, the more direct wolves that are found more on the Republican side. For example, malignant narcissists like Trump are often quite obvious with their issues. But socio to psychopathic people like Hillary Clinton or Harris, you pass right over, because they are covert and not so obvious. But they have their moments of "tells". Watch the interview with Clinton talking about the assassination of Gaddafi and how maniacally she laughs about the whole thing and how they had caught him and that he was taken out. This is a obvious tell of an ASPD spectrum type.

You certainly could look deeper, but what you would find if you looked as deep as possible, would depress and frighten you to your core, and deep down you know that, and so you just won't go there. You're already depressed and bothered enough by how things are.

Understandable in some ways, but unfortunately, there are too many people like this, and too little that have their eyes fully opened. Hence, now we have to wait for the Creative Forces to intercede on our behalf. And because of that, and because of collective karma, no one will like that intercession--not the commoners like you and I, nor the plutocrat class that you defend one half of.

It's growing up time, and growing up rarely is easy. It could have been different, but collectively, we've allowed things to get as bad as they have. We cannot put all the blame on the wealthy and powerful ASPD folks. Sure, they have manipulated, deceived, gas lit, etc galore, but without the believing, trusting, naive, apathetic, fearful cult members (i.e. most of the citizenry) support and "go ahead", these are ultimately powerless. And there have been definite times in history when the commoners rose up and took back their power from the plutocrats and restructured the whole thing. (I will say, that it would be very hard to do this now because of current technology and just how much resources are concentrated in the hands of the few. It's very hard to foment a revolution type movement without some measure of secrecy for example).

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QAnon is a Gift to the Pedophile Networks, just like the whole Satanic Cabal Allegations are also a gift to Pedophile Networks.

How? "Reasonable Doubt" in the Minds of the Jury who could be trying High Profile Pedophiles.

Earlier Conspiracy Theorists clubbed Satan Worshippers with Pedophiles and the allegations of Satan Worship were easy to disprove, thus casting reasonable doubt about Pedophilia too.

Likewise, QAnon pushed the theory of Adrenochrome Extraction from the glands of tortured children as the Pedophile Handiwork. This is very easy to disprove because the volume of Adrenochrome is scientifically provable as negligible per victim compared to the volume in a jab. Hence, all that Pedophiles have to prove is the lack of any Adrenochrome in their system or possession, and their Evil Lawyer will argue "Reasonable Doubt" to let the Demons off the hook.

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posted February 22, 2021 03:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by iQ:
QAnon is a Gift to the Pedophile Networks, just like the whole Satanic Cabal Allegations are also a gift to Pedophile Networks.

How? "Reasonable Doubt" in the Minds of the Jury who could be trying High Profile Pedophiles.

Earlier Conspiracy Theorists clubbed Satan Worshippers with Pedophiles and the allegations of Satan Worship were easy to disprove, thus casting reasonable doubt about Pedophilia too.

Likewise, QAnon pushed the theory of Adrenochrome Extraction from the glands of tortured children as the Pedophile Handiwork. This is very easy to disprove because the volume of Adrenochrome is scientifically provable as negligible per victim compared to the volume in a jab. Hence, all that Pedophiles have to prove is the lack of any Adrenochrome in their system or possession, and their Evil Lawyer will argue "Reasonable Doubt" to let the Demons off the hook.


Obsessed with QAnon?
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Originally posted by Belage:
Mirage, I am sorry you feel this way. I am glad you are reaching out because we need to start having real conversations about what is happening in this country. Two things jumped out to me in your post.

Maybe it's just me, but I feel that you are missing the bigger picture. Are you aware of this thing called Critical Race Theory that is being pushed right now to be taught in schools from elementary up? According to this theory, by virtue of your skin color (caucasian) you are guilty of far greater ills than being MAGA. They want to start teaching children in elementary schools that if you are white, you are automatically an oppressor, and if you are black or of color, you are automatically oppressed.

This is being pushed down the throat of unsuspecting children by THE SAME PEOPLE WHO ARE CLAIMING THAT EVERY TRUMP SUPPORTER IS A DOMESTIC TERRORIST.

So if the woke brigate succeeds in having this implemented in school, there will be no place in the US where you can relocate and feel safe.

And this is the bigger picture people imo are missing. There are shadowy forces trying to split/destroy American society as we know it. These forces are fomenting civil war by pitting the races against each other. And who is going to benefit if the US crumbles and is no longer the world's dominant power?

The answer lies in the Great Reset program. They've already told you in your face last year the goals they aim to achieve by 2030, but apparently people are not paying attention.

I don't know if the radical left know they are being used as pawns for the Great Reset goals. I suspect they are clueless... That is why I don't think the issue facing the world is a left vs right issue, though this is what THEY, the architects of The Great Reset want you to believe.


Nobody claimed that every single trump supporter was a domestic terrorist. The fact that you can't see it in those who stormed the capitol, and were looking to kill their political opponents? Where is that critical thinking you guys supposedly automatically possess, because you aren't a liberal? Where was it in those who claim they were only there for a rally, when they got caught up in what was happening, and broke into the place, essentially aiding those who had more sinister intent?

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Originally posted by Belage:
(Continued)

And the one thing the Great Reset architects are not telling you (they can't tell you everything to your face) is that they are great admirers of the way the CCP operates. China's economically successful model of an authoritarian state where a few at the top control everything is what they want to see happen globally. So the Great Reset and CCP go hand in hand.

But first they need to take the US down. By fomenting civil war and crushing the economy. The economic downfall has already started.

Have you noticed during this plandemic, China has done quite well? Its GDP for 2020 increased while the US' dropped. The major Big tech companies have done quite well. The Big pharmas have done quite well. Do you think this is by coincidence?

But the peons are kept busy fighting among themselves along racial and sexual identity politics lines to keep them distracted from the major issues.

In the meantime, Gates has become the largest private farmland owner in the US. Why isn't alarm bells ringing all over the US?

Indian farmers are committing suicide at the rate of 10,000 a year and have finally taken to the streets to protest new government regulations. But I digress. All I want to say is BIG PICTURE, people, BIG PICTURE!


the people promising a civil war, were trump supporters. They had merchandise, and wore it as they stormed the capitol, then claimed that they didn't expect that to happen, that they didn't mean it. What? Real critical thinkers there, huh?

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"the people promising a civil war, were trump supporters. They had merchandise, and wore it as they stormed the capitol, then claimed that they didn't expect that to happen, that they didn't mean it. What? Real critical thinkers there, huh?"

Gaslighting BS...as usual.
Trump supporters didn't 'STORM' the Capitol, didn't injure police, didn't break up government property and weren't there for an
'insurrection'. That was your little Communist lunatics, BLM and Antifa.

Trump supporters, no guns, no knives, no clubs, no frozen water bottles, no nothing.

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