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Topic: Unaccompanied Minor Children in Overflow Facilities
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shura
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posted February 23, 2021 01:12 PM
  
http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/immigrant-children-camp-texas-biden/2021/02/22/05dfd58c-7533-11eb-8115-9ad5e9c02117_story.html Let's stop talking about Trump and start talking about Biden. IP: Logged |
BlueRoamer
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posted February 23, 2021 01:45 PM
You’re not the boss of my mouthTrump Trump trumpy trump trump IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted February 23, 2021 02:20 PM
Biden is putting children in cages that Obama built.IP: Logged |
teasel
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posted February 23, 2021 03:46 PM
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Originally posted by shura:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/im migrant-children-camp-texas-biden/2021/02/22/05dfd58c-7533-11eb-8115-9ad5e9c02117_story.html Let's stop talking about Trump and start talking about Biden.
But his supporters don't want us to stop talking about him. He's the greatest person they've ever come across, and they want his name to be remembered for all time. I'm going to What About? What about the children who were permanently separated from their families, and adopted out to American families? IP: Logged |
teasel
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posted February 23, 2021 03:48 PM
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Originally posted by Randall:
Biden is putting children in cages that Obama built.
Trump used cages, and separated families. I will actually be paying attention to what happens, but you don't get to just blame Obama. Trump didn't want them to have soap, toothpaste, or their own families. They did everything they could to put people off coming here with their children. But you act concerned when the PM in Canada, charges for Covid tests, and has people stay in hotels when they return from travelling, because he is actually concerned about stopping the virus. IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted February 23, 2021 04:07 PM
Obama put those kids in cages and made them sleep on the floor. He built them. IP: Logged |
Voix_de_la_Mer
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posted February 25, 2021 07:16 AM
The article says the camp was created by Mr Trump and is being reopened by Mr Biden: quote:
The emergency facility — a vestige of the Trump administration that was open for only a month in summer 2019 — is being reactivated to hold up to 700 children ages 13 to 17..... But immigration lawyers and advocates question why the Biden administration would choose to reopen a Trump-era facility that was the source of protests and controversy. From the “tent city” in Tornillo, Tex., to a sprawling for-profit facility in Homestead, Fla., emergency shelters have been criticized by advocates for immigrants, lawyers and human rights activists over their conditions, cost and lack of transparency in their operations.
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Belage
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posted February 25, 2021 12:17 PM
Voix, even leftist Snopes had to admit it was the Obama administration that built the "cages." They just were not called cages back then. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/obama-build-cages-immigrants/ USA Today:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factchec k/2020/08/26/fact-check-obama-administration-built-migrant-cages-meme-true/3413683001/ MSM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/fact-check-obama-administration-approved-built-temporary-holding-enclosures-at-southern-border/ar-BB18rmbI Los Angeles Times
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-10-27/presidential-immigration-debate-fact-check-and-who-built-the-cages It is not even debatable anymore. IP: Logged |
Voix_de_la_Mer
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posted February 25, 2021 12:22 PM
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Originally posted by Belage:
Voix, even leftist Snopes had to admit it was the Obama administration that built the "cages." They just were not called cages back then. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/obama-build-cages-immigrants/ USA Today:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factchec k/2020/08/26/fact-check-obama-administration-built-migrant-cages-meme-true/3413683001/
Washington Press just stirring the pot then, I take it?
In saying that though, any president who allows the use of conditions which are not suitable (assuming they are not) is as bad as the other.
If one builds, and another uses, is the president who uses them better than the president who built them? Not really.
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Belage
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posted February 25, 2021 12:26 PM
Voix, I am old enough to remember when WaPo used to be a very respected newspaper. It is currently owned by Amazon Jeff Bezos. The other day, they shamelessly put out a hit piece on Elon Musk, Bezos' archrival. Musk's reply to Washington Post's hit piecce was savage: Give my regards to your puppet master! https://www.businesstoday.in/technology/news/give-my-regards-to-your-puppet-master-elon-musk-takes-a-veiled-dig-at-jeff-bezos-over-washington-post-piece/story/432257.html IP: Logged |
Belage
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posted February 25, 2021 12:35 PM
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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
Washington Press just stirring the pot then, I take it?
In saying that though, any president who allows the use of conditions which are not suitable (assuming they are not) is as bad as the other.
If one builds, and another uses, is the president who uses them better than the president who built them? Not really.
You are absolutely right. But the point is, certain people harped on Trump for using the facilities and called them cages, but same people were fine when Obama used them. And now that Biden is in office, the same facilities are no longer called cages. Don't you love the sweet stench of partisan politics? 
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iQ
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From: Lyra
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 25, 2021 03:14 PM
A Cage is a Cage. There is no Dem Cage or GOP Cage or Trump Cage.
There are no illegal Children and Children deserve both dignity and security.IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted February 25, 2021 03:33 PM
The law required that children not be kept with adults when President Trump was in charge. A little research goes a long way. The media used to do research, but in the Trump era they just made sh*t up as a general rule. Then you have people like Teasel who believe everything the fake news media tells them.IP: Logged |
teasel
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posted February 25, 2021 03:51 PM
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Originally posted by Belage:
You are absolutely right. But the point is, certain people harped on Trump for using the facilities and called them cages, but same people were fine when Obama used them. And now that Biden is in office, the same facilities are no longer called cages. Don't you love the sweet stench of partisan politics?
Certain people weren't aware of Obama doing it, and actually won't agree with everything that Biden does. Unlike certain people who refuse to question anything about trump. I watched certain people talk about a revolution, and then blame antifa, when it came to the capitol attack. I watched a certain person say that they couldn't support the attack on the capitol, only to jump on the bandwagon, as soon as they saw others blaming Antifa, when it was obvious who was to blame (not "antifa"). So, it matters what happens, no matter who is president, but I won't take any pointers from you, Balage. IP: Logged |
teasel
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posted February 25, 2021 03:52 PM
Which reminds me:
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/lawyers-have-found-parents-105-separated-migrant-children-past-month-n1258791 Lawyers have found the parents of 105 separated migrant children in past month
The parents of 506 separated migrant children still haven't been found, however. Lawyers say the parents of 322 of them were likely to have been deported. IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted February 25, 2021 03:58 PM
A number of them were found to not be the parents at all.IP: Logged |
Belage
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posted February 25, 2021 06:18 PM
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Originally posted by teasel:
Certain people weren't aware of Obama doing it, and actually won't agree with everything that Biden does. Unlike certain people who refuse to question anything about trump. I watched certain people talk about a revolution, and then blame antifa, when it came to the capitol attack. I watched a certain person say that they couldn't support the attack on the capitol, only to jump on the bandwagon, as soon as they saw others blaming Antifa, when it was obvious who was to blame (not "antifa"). So, it matters what happens, no matter who is president, but I won't take any pointers from you, Balage.
When I was talking about "certain people", I was not even thinking about you, teasel. But I guess hit dogs holler. 
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Belage
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posted February 25, 2021 06:38 PM
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Originally posted by teasel:
Certain people weren't aware of Obama doing it, and actually won't agree with everything that Biden does. Unlike certain people who refuse to question anything about trump. I watched certain people talk about a revolution, and then blame antifa, when it came to the capitol attack. I watched a certain person say that they couldn't support the attack on the capitol, only to jump on the bandwagon, as soon as they saw others blaming Antifa, when it was obvious who was to blame (not "antifa"). So, it matters what happens, no matter who is president, but I won't take any pointers from you, Balage.
I do hear you say though that you didn't know, and that's cool. Now you know. without belaboring the point, I just want to point out that this information has been out for years, even on this forum we have pointed it out, but if you only read or believe a certain type of media, you probably dismissed it as false. IP: Logged |
Voix_de_la_Mer
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posted March 01, 2021 04:56 AM
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Originally posted by Belage:
You are absolutely right. But the point is, certain people harped on Trump for using the facilities and called them cages, but same people were fine when Obama used them. And now that Biden is in office, the same facilities are no longer called cages. Don't you love the sweet stench of partisan politics?
Looks like a big charade designed to keep people focused on a personality rather than behaviour. What I don't understand is why people fall for it. The personality should be determined by the behaviour and decisions, not the personality assumed to be good and then poor behaviour ignored or denied in order to preserve the golden calf. Why do we need a messiah? Isn't someone who tries their best to listen to the people and do the right thing by them enough? IP: Logged |
Belage
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posted March 01, 2021 12:12 PM
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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
Looks like a big charade designed to keep people focused on a personality rather than behaviour. What I don't understand is why people fall for it. The personality should be determined by the behaviour and decisions, not the personality assumed to be good and then poor behaviour ignored or denied in order to preserve the golden calf. Why do we need a messiah? Isn't someone who tries their best to listen to the people and do the right thing by them enough?
Those are good questions. As for me, I don't pay too much attention to personality anymore. Ok, let me rephrase this. Personality matters, but when it comes to politics, I have learned to pay more attention to actions and policies than personality. Ideally, the best package would be someone with a great palatable personality, with actions and policies I support. IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted March 01, 2021 04:01 PM
Kids. In. Containers.IP: Logged |
teasel
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posted March 01, 2021 05:12 PM
http://twitter.com/ElieNYC/status/1366436591342870530?s=20 I really hope that people who are already complaining about Biden's immigration moves are listening to Mayorkas right now. "The entire system was gutted." Trump (and Neilsen, and Wolfe and Steve Miller), simply BROKE immigration. Biden has to literally FIX ALL OF IT. IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted March 01, 2021 08:39 PM
Fix safety by letting any criminal in.IP: Logged |
Voix_de_la_Mer
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posted March 02, 2021 09:58 AM
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Originally posted by Belage:
Those are good questions.As for me, I don't pay too much attention to personality anymore. Ok, let me rephrase this. Personality matters, but when it comes to politics, I have learned to pay more attention to actions and policies than personality. Ideally, the best package would be someone with a great palatable personality, with actions and policies I support.
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