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Topic: FBI Says No Firearms Have Been Recovered From January 6
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Randall
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posted March 03, 2021 05:45 PM
  
http://m.theepochtimes.com/fbi-counterterrorism-official-no-firearms-recovered-during-jan-6-capitol-breach_3719267.html?utm_source=newsnoe&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=breaking-20 21-03-03-3IP: Logged |
jwhop
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posted March 03, 2021 07:52 PM
What a strange 'insurrection'.IP: Logged |
teasel
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posted March 03, 2021 09:58 PM
Strange, given that they were allowed to go home, before being arrested. I mean, it’s not like criminals try to dispose of evidence.
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Randall
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posted March 03, 2021 10:31 PM
Not a single weapon retrieved. Not a single weapon seen or spotted. Not a single weapon FIRED. Except the weapon that shot unarmed Ashli, of course. This was just a mostly peaceful protest that got a little rowdy. At worst, it was a riot. But not an insurrection. And certainly not armed. The Dems want to keep this narrative going to be able to increase the government’s surveillance power to use against political opponents.IP: Logged |
teasel
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posted March 03, 2021 10:53 PM
http://facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10222354583146872&id=1036142344 It’s unfortunate that you saw what was happening, condemned it when you decided to blame antifa, and now that the obvious is still obvious (Trump supporters tried to overthrow the government), you are pulling out as many excuses as you can think of. IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted March 03, 2021 11:01 PM
These aren’t excuses. These are facts. Facts matter. That is what happens when investigations take place. We learn details and adjust our thinking based on the facts that are uncovered. And I still denounce it. Unlike Dems, Republicans always condemn riots and property damage.IP: Logged |
Voix_de_la_Mer
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posted March 04, 2021 04:54 AM
That's a bit weird, they appeared to find plenty on the day. What happened to these?U.S. LEGAL NEWS
JANUARY 14, 2021 10:07 PM UPDATED 2 MONTHS AGO
Arrested Capitol rioters had guns and bombs, everyday careers and Olympic medals quote:
David Blair - a Trump supporter who lives in Washington’s suburbs and was charged with attacking a police officer with a stick - came to the Capitol after seeing that it had been overrun by a mob supporting the president because he wanted “to witness history,” he told Reuters in a text message. “I ended up still finding a way to get in trouble because I had so much pent-up emotion,” he wrote.
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Lonnie Coffman, a 70-year-old Alabama man arrested for having explosives in his truck, takes multiple drugs for mental illness, his lawyer told the judge in a hearing this week. Coffman pleaded not guilty on Tuesday. His lawyer did not respond to a request for comment.
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Prosecutors say Cleveland Meredith, whose lives in North Carolina, according to his lawyer, loaded his truck and trailer with weapons and headed to Washington, but arrived too late to join the riot. When police searched his truck the next day, they found a high-powered rifle and thousands of rounds of ammunition, including bullets the FBI described as armor-piercing.
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Authorities arrested Coffman of Alabama near the Capitol after noticing the handle of a gun in his pickup truck while they were responding to pipe bombs left outside the headquarters of the Democratic National Committee and Republican National Committee, both of which are near the Capitol. Inside his truck, they found an AR-15-style rifle, a shotgun, a crossbow, several machetes, smoke grenades and 11 Molotov cocktails. They also found a note with the name of at least one member of Congress and a judge, alongside the notation “bad guy.”
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Others were armed during the riot: A police officer said he noticed a bulge on the hip of Christopher Alberts - who was dressed in body armor and carrying a gas mask - as he filed out of the Capitol grounds, according to court records. When they stopped him, they found a loaded handgun. Alberts’ lawyer did not respond to questions about the case.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-protest-cases-insight-idUSKBN29J2V8 ------------------
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Randall
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posted March 04, 2021 08:33 AM
Voix, none of this is new. It was all on FOX News. We know an individual set up pipe bombs the night before. The FBI did its job catching that and people en route in vehicles. We also know charges were made for violating DC's very strict firearm laws. But as pointed out by the FBI director, Wray, everything I stated was factual. No firearms were seen, heard, or found inside the Capitol, and no shots were fired, so this was neither armed nor an insurrection. IP: Logged |
Voix_de_la_Mer
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posted March 04, 2021 08:37 AM
The first quote and the last quote state that they were armed during the riot, the other quotes demonstrate planning with arms. The real question is, why is this information essentially being retracted or minimised now. ------------------
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Randall
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posted March 04, 2021 08:57 AM
No, people were armed at the protest. In America, we can carry firearms. It's just that in DC, the law is more restrictive. People were charged with violating DC gun laws. That was reported. We are talking about the Capitol breach. Only a handful were even members of extreme groups. There is always internet chatter with extreme groups and threats every time there is a Capitol protest. That's nothing new. Most are baseless threats. The FBI was on it and did a great job. The first quote was a stick. IP: Logged |
Voix_de_la_Mer
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posted March 04, 2021 09:58 AM
Hitting someone with anything weaponises it, including sticks, but I guess we are talking strictly about firearms then?The last quote states a guy was leaving the Capitol grounds with a firearm, but you are saying this does not constitute being 'armed at the Capitol'? How so?  ------------------
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Randall
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posted March 04, 2021 10:25 AM
I stated elsewhere that there were other weapons used. This thread is about firearms. Capitol grounds is not inside the Capitol building. And carrying a firearm is only illegal in DC, not in America. People were unaware of the laws in DC.IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted March 04, 2021 10:37 AM
The leftist media is lying by selling this as an armed insurrection. It wasn’t. And we know why they are doing so. First, so they could charge President Trump with insurrection to prevent him from running again with an impeachment. Fail. Second, to increase the nanny state to try to save their majority for 2022.IP: Logged |
Voix_de_la_Mer
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posted March 04, 2021 10:43 AM
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Originally posted by Randall:
I stated elsewhere that there were other weapons used. This thread is about firearms. Capitol grounds is not inside the Capitol building. And carrying a firearm is only illegal in DC, not in America. People were unaware of the laws in DC.
OK, I get you now. It's just two different worlds over there and here. If you have a weapon on you here, chances are you're gonna do something bad with it or there is a threat. Do people actually just walk around armed on a normal day in America then? ------------------
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Randall
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posted March 04, 2021 10:58 AM
Yes! And there are hundreds of millions of firearms in America. Here in Georgia, it’s common to see them strapped on people almost anywhere, although, one can get a permit to conceal.IP: Logged |
Voix_de_la_Mer
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posted March 04, 2021 11:09 AM
That's weird  So do you need a permit to conceal it so everyone can see that you are armed?------------------
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shura
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posted March 04, 2021 02:35 PM
Weird is relative. An unarmed European populace sounds not just weird to my ear but also, and more importantly, dangerous. You are all going to defend yourselves with sticks?  Even within the US, weird is relative. I have an acquaintance from northern New England, near the Canadian border. He carried a gun daily while living there, as did everyone in the village, because, for one reason, it is extremely rural and watching a bear saunter across your front yard to take a peek in your kitchen window is a common occurence. Not many dangerous animals in Scotland? I live in New England as well, but in town. In my traditionally liberal state, one of the most liberal in the country, open gun carrying is very uncommon. I really dont even remember the last time I saw anyone carrying. And yet, the gun ranges are full. A family friend is a part time firearms instructor and she cant keep up with the demand. IP: Logged |
shura
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posted March 04, 2021 02:40 PM
The strange death of Europe, indeed 😔IP: Logged |
Belage
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posted March 04, 2021 02:47 PM
I guess we can retire the "armed insurrection" argument. Is the "planned insurrection" argument still on the table? If so, I would like to know who are the dumbarses who plotted an unarmed insurrection? As in, let's have a coup and use sticks and whatever fire extinguisher we come across... Looks like we are left with just "insurrection". But if it is not armed and it is not planned, is it still an insurrection? IP: Logged |
Voix_de_la_Mer
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posted March 04, 2021 02:50 PM
Haha you're funny Shura. I live in Scotland, so looking around the highlands and the likes of Glencoe, I really don't feel a gun would enrich my European life Besides, I'm a beast with a stick, it's all about the element of surprise 
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Voix_de_la_Mer
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posted March 04, 2021 02:52 PM
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Originally posted by Belage:
I guess we can retire the "armed insurection" argument. Is the "planned insurrection" still on the table? If so, I would like to know who are the dumbarses who planned an unarmed insurrection? As in, let's have a coup and use sticks and whatever fire extinguisher we come across... Looks like we are left with just "insurrection". But if it is not armed and it is not planned, is it still an insurrection?
You may be right. Thing is, what was it then? ------------------
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Belage
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posted March 04, 2021 02:56 PM
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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
You may be right. Thing is, what was it then?
It was a "peaceful" protest! We have had tons of them all last summer, but they were from the other side of the political spectrum, the side that has a God given right to protest and act out, according to our media. IP: Logged |
Voix_de_la_Mer
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posted March 04, 2021 03:06 PM
I draw the line at 'peaceful' from the footage I've seen, although many were, many were not. Breaking and entering, and destruction of property isn't peaceful. But I guess that's the problem with protesting, it attracts individuals who just like breaking things.------------------
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Belage
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posted March 04, 2021 03:18 PM
In Seattle, a police station was set on fire, and activists took control of some city blocks for weeks! How was that not termed an insurrection? How was this lionized by the Mayor of Seattle as "Summer of Love"? It wasn't until the mob went with pitchfork at the Mayor's house that she decided to stop the CHOP experiment. Let me not even start talking about Portland. There are just too many blatant incidents of media and elected officials tolerance toward unlawful behavior last year that came from a certain side of the political spectrum for me to take seriously the claim that what happened on January 6 was an insurrection. IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted March 04, 2021 07:39 PM
If a gun is concealed, it is presumed to not be visible. A stick, a helmet, a shield do not make an armed insurrection. It was a mostly peaceful protest that turned rowdy. Only a few people broke into the building. The rest walked in (trespassed). For some, you could call them rioters. People were charged with disorderly conduct and trespassing. I can get drunk in a bar and talk too loud and get charged with that. If I refuse to leave that bar, I can be charged with trespass.IP: Logged |
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