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jwhop
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posted March 30, 2021 03:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What's the big deal democrats. You want Americans to have a Vaccination Passport to travel, shop, attend sports events, attend school etc.

So, get your damned Photo Identification sorted before the next election...or don't try to vote.

NRSC Poll: 77% Support Requiring Voters to Present a Valid Photo ID to Vote
Hannah Bleau
30 Mar 2021

The vast majority of likely voters support requiring a valid photo ID to vote in order to stop voter fraud, a National Republican Senatorial Committee (NRSC) poll found.

The survey, taken March 8-11, 2021 among 1,200 likely voters, asked respondents a series of questions centering around election integrity — a top issue among Republicans and Democrats, the latter of whom are accusing the GOP of attempting to suppress voters. Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-NY) last week described state election integrity efforts as “one of the greatest threats we have to modern democracy in America.”

The survey asked respondents to rate their concern over not requiring a photo ID or any other identification for those requesting an absentee ballot — a feature of the left’s H.R. 1, or “For the People Act,” which the Democrat-led House passed this month.

Seventy-two percent said they were either “very” or “somewhat” concerned, compared to 25 percent who said they were “not very” or “not at all” concerned. Additionally, 67 percent of respondents agreed photo IDs should be required to vote in order to prevent voter fraud in light of the fact that IDs are required for a series of basic activities, including flying, banking, or renting a car.

Ultimately, 77 percent said they favor requiring voters to present a valid photo ID to “sort people from fraudulently voting for others,” compared to 17 percent who opposed. Even a majority of Democrats, 61 percent, said they favor requiring voter ID to prevent fraud. Eighty-one percent of independents and 94 percent of Republicans agree.

“Americans don’t want dead people in the voter rolls. We don’t want tax dollars paying for political campaigns. We don’t want people voting without showing ID,” NRSC Chairman Sen. Rick Scott (R-FL) said in a video released on Sunday, detailing the results of the poll and addressing the left’s “big lie” on GOP election reform efforts across the country.

“We don’t want ballot harvesting. We don’t want unmonitored drop boxes, and we don’t want any voter fraud, but the Democrats– they do want all those things,” he added:

The survey’s margin of error is +/- 2.82 percent.
http://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/03/30/nrsc-poll-support-requiring-voters-present-valid-photo-id-vote/

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posted March 30, 2021 04:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In another recent survey, 69 percent of Blacks approve of voter ID. And 77 percent of non-whites.

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posted March 30, 2021 05:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shura     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Of all the bad lefty arguments, the argument against voter ID laws is maybe the most obscene and insulting, founded solely on the notion that masses of black people either don't possess or are somehow unable to get themselves a picture ID.

There's really nothing worse than liberal white savior disease. Like Malcom X (pbuh), I say better the right wing racist than that demeaning BS


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posted March 30, 2021 05:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's actually insulting to Blacks.

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posted March 30, 2021 07:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I already have one. I’ve always used it to vote. Now let’s see those vaccination passports.

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posted March 30, 2021 07:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don’t understand what the big deal is over the vaccination passports, since grump and McConnell have been urging people to get vaccinated.

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posted March 30, 2021 07:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shura     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You must present a pic ID before voting so we know you are who you say you are and are voting legally = you must submit to this experimental invasive medical procedure if you want to buy food and keep your job.

sure yeah that makes sense.

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posted March 30, 2021 10:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://twitter.com/giodello/status/1377083939777617921?s=21

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posted March 31, 2021 12:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for shura     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Several months ago I mentioned my hesitancy in following teasel's endless twitter links, half jokingly pointing out that Progressives being Progressives I feared those links would send me to me sketchy tentacle porn links or some such. Well, here I am throwing caution to wind and clicking tonight's umpteenth teasel twitter link and what do I find?

Rick Wilson.

Smarmy, pervy, utterly corrupt Rick Wilson.

So bad I think I would have preferred the tentacle porn

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posted March 31, 2021 06:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by shura:
Several months ago I mentioned my hesitancy in following teasel's endless twitter links, half jokingly pointing out that Progressives being Progressives I feared those links would send me to me sketchy tentacle porn links or some such. Well, here I am throwing caution to wind and clicking tonight's umpteenth teasel twitter link and what do I find?

Rick Wilson.

Smarmy, pervy, utterly corrupt Rick Wilson.

So bad I think I would have preferred the tentacle porn


Rick Wilson
Now there's a real beauty whose stock has taken a major downturn...along with George Conway, Steve Schmidt and John Weaver.

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posted April 01, 2021 02:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's a real stock market crash.

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posted April 01, 2021 08:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Randall:
That's a real stock market crash.

Yeah, those guys talked themselves into a financial depression.

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posted April 03, 2021 03:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

A rant on voting rights.
We must reject GOP framing that "Democrats oppose Voter ID." This is not the case nor has it ever been the case.
Voters *already* present an ID when registering to vote. Always have. Zero Democrat bills or policies have ever tried to change this. And this fraud protection works extremely well. Since 2000 there've been only 31 credible allegations of voter impersonation in over 1 BILLION votes cast. 31 out of 1 BILLION. 0 times has this ever flipped an election.
The GOP Voter ID bills are built off Jim Crow racism because they are designed to target Black voters. For example, in 2013 the US Appeals Court struck down North Carolina's discriminatory Voter ID law, ruling, "the law was intentionally designed to discriminate against black people. North Carolina legislators had requested data on voting patterns by race and, with that data in hand, drafted a law that would target African-Americans with almost surgical precision." The Supreme Court refused to overrule.
North Carolina legislators studied voting habits and learned that Black voters tend to register and vote the same day, use a particular form of ID to register, often vote out of precinct, and get their kids registered in high school to vote when they turn 18, and disproportionately vote early rather than on Election Day.
After studying these habits, North Carolina passed voter id requirements that banned same day registration, banned out of precinct voting, ended high school registration, eliminated early voting, and created a photo ID requirement that Black people were least likely to have.
GOP did all this not because of fraud, but because they were losing elections. And this is precisely what the Georgia, Florida, Texas, and the over 360 bills introduced nationwide to restrict voting are doing. This is wrong, undemocratic, and modern day Jim Crow. In short, GOP's Voter ID mythology is to distract from their Jim Crow reality.
I'll say it again. If your first reaction to losing an election is to prevent American citizens from voting next time, you don't believe in democracy. You believe in dictatorship. Enough. We need HR1 and the John Lewis Voting Rights Act now.”
http://www.facebook.com/QasimRashid/posts/3871787686249289

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posted April 03, 2021 11:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^^^ Interesting.

So what are the concrete examples of the ways in which the new Georgia voting laws are preventing black votes?

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posted April 03, 2021 11:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, do tell.

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posted April 04, 2021 06:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If voter ID is the "GOP's voter ID mythology," then why does HR1 eliminate voter ID?

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posted April 07, 2021 12:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Still waiting for concrete examples of how the new Georgia voting laws discriminate against black people and prevent them from voting.

Anyone of you who think the new Georgia laws are discriminatory and Jim Crowish, can you enlighten us by giving concrete examples?

Anyone?...

Anyone??

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posted April 07, 2021 05:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The new Georgia law actually EXPANDS voting by increasing early voting days, adding Saturdays, and two optional Sundays, and by mandating that every county has a drop box.

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posted April 08, 2021 11:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Belage:
Still waiting for concrete examples of how the new Georgia voting laws discriminate against black people and prevent them from voting.

Anyone of you who think the new Georgia laws are discriminatory and Jim Crowish, can you enlighten us by giving concrete examples?

Anyone?...
Anyone??


No one can give you concrete examples of voting discrimination under the new Georgia law because it's not discriminatory. In fact, the new Georgia law is more voter inclusive than the voting laws in Delaware, Biden's home state.

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posted April 08, 2021 02:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
well, I am going to check if Stacey Abrams is giving concrete examples...

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posted April 09, 2021 12:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
PLEASE DO NOT QUOTE THIS MESSAGE
In the search for concrete examples, I turned to a progressive friend of mine, the only person irl I am able to have political difference with, and he sent me a link to a New York Time article:

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/02/us/politics/georgia-voting-law-annot ated.html?searchResultPosition=7

He added - and I am quoting him:

Some context that is missing:
(1) The requirement on limiting drop boxes, limits primarily urban areas (largely dems) where they are plentiful. (reduces numbers by more than half, and places them in early voting stations which aren't open in the evening). But in rural areas (which are largely republican) it requires at least one drop box, whereas those counties have rarely used them because of their low population. So that provision reduces access in democratic urban areas and improves access in Republican areas.

(2) Limiting applications for mail in ballots to 78 days before an election (down from 180 days) specifically targets the voter registration and voter participation work of the black community (Stacey Abrahms et al). It gives activists less than half the time to canvas precincts and help voters request ballots.

(3) The provision on giving out water is linked to the problem in urban areas of long voting lines. This has been an ongoing problem and a favorite of Republicans for suppressing the vote. Studies have determined that long lines for voting is very effective at reducing voter participation. This is one reason that activists encourage mail in voting, so people won't be stuck in lines. The water provision makes waiting in line for hours more difficult.

(4) The new limitations on provisional ballots are especially insidious, because working class and urban people move more often and the precincts are redrawn more often. So if someone shows up at the wrong polling place, then they have to wait in another long line at the correct polling place.

I do not have a subscription to the New York times anymore. But I will be looking into the 4 points he makes when I have more time tomorrow.

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posted April 09, 2021 07:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Okay the following were my thoughts on the concrete examples my progressive friend provided me above. I used a number of resources to come up with these thoughts

(1) The requirement on limiting drop boxes.
What they are implementing is "secure ballot drop boxes". The law now requires all 159 counties to have at least one drop box, caps the number of boxes at one per 100,000 active voters or one for every early voting site (whichever is smaller) and moves them inside early voting sites instead of outside on government property. Additionally, the drop boxes will only be accessible during early voting days and hours instead of 24/7. The new law expanded early voting (both in days and hours) – including mandatory weekend voting for people who work weekday hours..

(2) Limiting applications for mail in ballots to 78 days before an election (down from 180 days}
I asked myself, is the 78 days limit unusual? I am trying to research other states limits on applications for mail in ballots and I can't seem to find that information. In order to decide if this is discriminatory, I need to compare what is the national average on this. And if Georgia is falling below the national average, then that restriction could be considered an attempt at voter suppression. Though I feel the expression voter suppression is too strong. Do black voters really need activists to come to their communities 6 months ahead of the election to do work so that they can vote? Do other ethnic group require that kind of effort?

(3) The provision on giving out water is linked to the problem in urban areas of long voting lines...
Sigh... Are they for real?
This has to be the most ridiculous argument of all. Are we saying black folks are not going to vote unless they get free water while they are waiting on line? Do people realize how patronizing and demeaning they sound? This is not a third world country where people have to walk miles to fetch precious water and carry it back through hills and valley. Any dimwit can collect tap water from the kitchen or even bathroom and put it some container and take it with him when going to vote if water is such a issue while waiting on line.

By the way, one point that is lost is that the law expressly allows poll workers to provide water to people in line...So if someone claims they are about to faint because they are thirsty and need water, poll workers are allowed to provide them with water.

(4) The new limitations on provisional ballots are especially insidious...
Is showing up at the wrong polling place a black thing? White people don't show up at the wrong polling places? But ok....

Are the limitations on provisional ballots really that bad and "insidious"? What the new rules say is that out-of-precinct provisionals will NOT count anymore unless they are cast after 5 p.m. - because obviously the voter may not have enough time to go to the right polling precinct location before it closes. And it requires the voter signs a statement saying they could not make it to their home precinct in time. If they fulfill those requirements, they can cast their provisional ballots if they came to the wrong polling place after 5 pm.

If they come to the wrong polling place before 5pm, then they will have to go to the correct polling place before it closes. Yes, it is annoying and an inconvenience, but it is a small price to pay to cast your vote. Double check your polling location before you head for it. You can do that by calling election lines, online polling locators, word of mouth in your neighborhood, etc...

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posted April 10, 2021 01:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My friend's response to my comments on the 4 talking points was that those measures were taken solely to discourage black votes. That there was no other reasons for them to even exist.

My answer to him was:

For item 1) and 4)
Yes they could be seen as ways to discourage black votes, but they can also be seen as ways to discourage voter fraud and ballot harvesting.

My friend doesn't believe voter fraud is an issue at all and he thinks it is a red herring made up by the repubs.

I told him I still remember that Allstate smoking gun video that was never adequately explained.

For items 2)
I told him I will research what is the nationwide average on this issue and will make up my mind based on that.

For item 3)
i told him this water issue was not worth even discussing, it was so preposterous.


So basically, we have agreed to disagree. And we remain friends. I am glad I had this discussion with him.

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