posted April 10, 2021 06:13 PM            

But I checked the law and it says that when you are outside, you are required to wear a mask IF you are coming within 6 feet of people.

I have recently started to pull my mask down if there is no one near me, and I put it back up when someone will be coming within 6 feet. I did sew a strap to all my cloth masks, which allow them to dangle from my neck when I am not using them.

posted April 12, 2021 11:49 AM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
Common sense and science are often mutually exclusive. Surgeons wear masks to create a sterile environment and to prevent coughing/sneezing into an open wound, which stops infection caused by BACTERIA. A mask is worthless against transmission of respiratory VIRUSES. Viruses can and often do enter via the eyes. Firefighters and other hazardous materials workers do not wear masks made of paper or cloth.

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posted April 13, 2021 03:55 PM            

Even if it’s a lie. It’s a lie that’s saving lives.

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200526/can-you-catch-covid19-through-your-eyes

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7537833/#:~:text=Current%20studies%20suggested%20that%20the,such%20as%20respiratory%20tissues.

posted April 14, 2021 01:27 AM            

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I am Iranian. Both of my parents are there right now l, arranging for my grandmother to be brought here to take the vaccine (which many of you don’t seem to believe in 😬 . Idk why anyone there would be laughing as they’re in the black tier right now. People are terrified and dying, but it’s all fun and games bc they’re not wusses like the US that actually takes the pandemic seriously. It’s astonishing, the amount of misinformation on here.

Masks are muzzles? SMH. It’s that kind of selfishness, the kind where your momentary discomfort is prioritized over the lives of others, that is causing most of the problems in this world.

posted April 14, 2021 11:59 AM            

Ok so so you're saying it's not that wearing a mask is cumbersome, but rather that it violates your personal liberty. I recommend you read this. There are a few philosophers who disagree with you re: the nature of liberty.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/08/20/no-there-isnt-constitutional-right-not-wear-masks/

Also, more to the point, the fact that this stand for your personal liberty literally will
come at the cost of other peoples lives makes it an immoral, selfish choice. I just don't get how, regardless of who is asking you to wear it, you wouldn't want to help protect vulnerable populations from getting sick.

posted April 14, 2021 01:16 PM            

Studies both supporting and debunking mask efficacy are available. At best, there are many variables to consider. Pick you poison, so to speak.

Rather than read the infamous Washington Post's take on Locke, I would humbly suggest you read Locke himself. You might find a more complex and nuanced understanding of personal liberty vs social responsibility in his work and the works of many other European philosophers.

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Also, more to the point, the fact that this stand for your personal liberty literally will
come at the cost of other peoples lives makes it an immoral, selfish choice. I just don't get how, regardless of who is asking you to wear it, you wouldn't want to help protect vulnerable populations from getting sick.

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You're making quite a few assumptions here. In fact, it is sounding a bit hysterical if you don't mind me saying so. If a government, given the power to protect the inherent rights of its citizens, requests those citizens voluntarily forfeit personal agency for the sake of the common good, they are naturally required to prove a great need. You understand that not everyone agrees there is sufficient need? You understand that some suspect government malfeasance and a brutish bid for increased power? That resisting government overreach is, in fact, for the long term common good? You may ofc disagree with these arguments but surely you can understand them? Surely you can see that it doesn't come down to "I really don't give a damn if you die, this mask is uncomfortable"

Why are there insufficient vaccines in Iran? Is it not risky to travel now, especially so internationally, per the WHO and CDC? Why would your grandmother take such a risk, both to herself, her fellow travelers, and citizens of her destination country? Is there an abundance of vaccines in your county? Surrounding counties? What is the vaccination equity rate? Odd that someone would travel so far under such circumstances. Good luck to her and all involved with her trip.

posted April 14, 2021 01:44 PM            

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You are attributing to me positions I have not personally claimed.

Studies both supporting and debunking mask efficacy are available. At best, there are many variables to consider. Pick you poison, so to speak.

Rather than read the infamous Washington Post's take on Locke, I would humbly suggest you read Locke himself. You might find a more complex and nuanced understanding of personal liberty vs social responsibility in his work and the works of many other European philosophers.

You're making quite a few assumptions here. In fact, it is sounding a bit hysterical if you don't mind me saying so. If a government, given the power to protect the inherent rights of its citizens, requests those citizens voluntarily forfeit personal agency for the sake of the common good, they are naturally required to prove a great need. You understand that not everyone agrees there is sufficient need? You understand that some suspect government malfeasance and a brutish bid for increased power? That resisting government overreach is, in fact, for the long term common good? You may ofc disagree with these arguments but surely you can understand them? Surely you can see that it doesn't come down to "I really don't give a damn if you die, this mask is uncomfortable"

Why are there insufficient vaccines in Iran? Is it not risky to travel now, especially so internationally, per the WHO and CDC? Why would your grandmother take such a risk, both to herself, her fellow travelers, and citizens of her destination country? Is there an abundance of vaccines in your county? Surrounding counties? What is the vaccination equity rate? Odd that someone would travel so far under such circumstances. Good luck to her and all involved with her trip.

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The research showing that masks work is like 100x the research shows that they don't. You don't trust the numbers, I guess. Including death tolls. People are dying. can we at least agree on that? Refusing to do something even though it might *prevent people from dying* is, by definition, selfish. I guess my position is that even if its true that this whole thing is "government malfeasance and a brutish bid for increased power" it's still worth it to comply.

Lol I have read Locke and while I, like you guys, appreciate negative liberty, there's something to be said for positive too. Also he wasn't the only philosopher important to american and west european govt that was in that article (but I don't want to get into an argument about capitalism, so feel free to ignore if it offends your sensibilities). And I don't really care if you call me hysterical, but you should know it's a gendered insult that's kind of imprecise for this occasion. Yeah, you're right I am emotional. People I care about almost died. If that's not a time to get worked up, I don't know what is.

posted April 14, 2021 03:32 PM            

And you understand the CDC lists Iran as Level 4, strongly advising against any travel there - even for the fully vaccinated?
http://wwwnc.cdc.gov/travel/notices/covid-4/coronavirus-iran

Im sorry to say it, and I do wish your family member well, but it seems you are grossly ignoring medical advice and willfully putting quite a few people at risk.

posted April 14, 2021 04:11 PM            

And both of my parents who will be escorting her are vaccinated.

She is an American citizen, but thanks for dragging this discussion to that level. How do you think she got any appointment to begin with?

posted April 14, 2021 04:26 PM            

I'd like to think you will inform yourself of current medical protocol and reconsider this high risk trip for the sake of all concerned, but I'm sure your family members welfare is your top priority. You have my sympathy.