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Topic: Members of the PA legislature voted to fine women who miscarry and force them
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teasel Knowflake Posts: 18552 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 28, 2021 12:30 AM
Members of the PA legislature voted to fine women who miscarry and force them to fill out this form. http://twitter.com/ValArkooshPA/status/1397267608236265473 IP: Logged |
teasel Knowflake Posts: 18552 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 28, 2021 12:36 AM
A news story about it: http://www.abc27.com/news/pennsylvania/heartbeat-bill-plus-two -other-pro-life-bills-passed-in-pennsylvania/ It's one of three "pro-life" bills. And a link to the ACLU-PA: http://aclupa.org/en/legislation/hb-118-disposition-fetal-remains IP: Logged |
Dumuzi Knowflake Posts: 3578 From: Registered: Oct 2018
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posted May 28, 2021 06:48 AM
i read the actual bill several times over and nowhere do i see some of the claims many of the articles on it are making it looks like disposal and the filling out of forms can fall entirely on the healthcare facility and the name etc can be left blank remains can be left unclaimed by the parents whoever is burying the child is the person who fills that out, parents fill it out in the event that they claim the remains for burial or cremation and the healthcare facility does it if they don't i've seen articles claiming a woman is going to be forced to name her miscarriage and all kinds of **** (bill states the name can be left blank) that things will be disclosed (bill has a privacy clause) etc here's the actual bill which you probably should have linked instead of twitter which is not a reputable source 118 the only fines mentioned would go to facilities that don't treat the remains as human remains and instead dump them in the manner they would biowaste
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Dumuzi Knowflake Posts: 3578 From: Registered: Oct 2018
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posted May 28, 2021 08:01 AM
btw just to add: when something is considered biowaste it is disposed of and inaccessible even upon request so this is giving women who wish to treat a miscarriage as a child the opportunity to do so if they choose (the aclu link stated that after x amount of time families have access anyway so it's "redundant" meanwhile anyone wanting something else is limited before that time) if they do not choose that the bill leaves it up to the facility to treat the deceased as a human life rather than a tumor i find it very interesting that i had to find the actual bill separately from all your sources because they dont even seem to link it btw something's very wrong with that IP: Logged |
Belage Knowflake Posts: 4398 From: USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 28, 2021 11:54 AM
@ Dumuzi, great job!It's amazing how one cannot trust headlines and cliff notes from certain segments of the media who rely on people's intellectual laziness to spread their propaganda. Most people don't check and cross check the BS they are fed. It has become incumbent upon us to actually go do our own research, dive deep and then we find out what the truth is. IP: Logged |
Dumuzi Knowflake Posts: 3578 From: Registered: Oct 2018
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posted May 28, 2021 05:00 PM
quote: Originally posted by Belage: @ Dumuzi, great job!It's amazing how one cannot trust headlines and cliff notes from certain segments of the media who rely on people's intellectual laziness to spread their propaganda. Most people don't check and cross check the BS they are fed. It has become incumbent upon us to actually go do our own research, dive deep and then we find out what the truth is.
yeah i noticed just reading the reactions on that twitter post, and trying to actually find info on the bill lot of articles pushing all kinds of lies and none showing the bill it's sad how often "news" is just personal opinions and zero facts IP: Logged |
shura Knowflake Posts: 3060 From: kamaloka Registered: Jun 2009
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posted May 30, 2021 07:37 PM
teasel once again let me remind you to go to the source.
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shura Knowflake Posts: 3060 From: kamaloka Registered: Jun 2009
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posted May 30, 2021 07:38 PM
Also ty dumuzi for a useful linkIP: Logged |
PhoenixRising Knowflake Posts: 1586 From: Registered: May 2011
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posted May 31, 2021 10:01 AM
What a crappy bill. Man who made the woman pregnant should be asked to fill the form and bury the dead. Women are already performing the balancing act between compassion, serving food on the table, etc. Men , they just want to shove it in and not worry about the consequencesIP: Logged |
PhoenixRising Knowflake Posts: 1586 From: Registered: May 2011
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posted May 31, 2021 10:26 AM
Reminds me, the europeans , thought the native indians were idiots when they lost time carrying the dead with them and lost valuable time and got defeated by the whites. Hmm, how the pendulum swings. Now these whites know the dignity of all lives or atleast claim too . A prophecy of the Hopis indians still ring loud in my ears. I believe , it said, these whites will be a passing thing. I hope it means those bad whites still on US land and not the entire American nation. Up until the 60's (350 years from when Columbus's arrival) from western movies you can see clearly how some freaked out whites will start shooting at a moments notice when they heard a bang lol. Please laugh its a joke. Anyhow, another topic.IP: Logged |
shura Knowflake Posts: 3060 From: kamaloka Registered: Jun 2009
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posted May 31, 2021 11:47 AM
quote: Originally posted by PhoenixRising: What a crappy bill. Man who made the woman pregnant should be asked to fill the form and bury the dead. Women are already performing the balancing act between compassion, serving food on the table, etc. Men , they just want to shove it in and not worry about the consequences
Check out this misogyny. Imagine assuming the woman in question wants anything to do with the man. Imagine assuming the man is in the picture at all. Imagine assuming the man has any rights in this situation.
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Dumuzi Knowflake Posts: 3578 From: Registered: Oct 2018
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posted May 31, 2021 12:07 PM
quote: Originally posted by PhoenixRising: What a crappy bill. Man who made the woman pregnant should be asked to fill the form and bury the dead. Women are already performing the balancing act between compassion, serving food on the table, etc. Men , they just want to shove it in and not worry about the consequences
the father can fill out the form though, you didn't even read the actual bill did you? just the emotional reactions to things that aren't written in it
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Dumuzi Knowflake Posts: 3578 From: Registered: Oct 2018
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posted May 31, 2021 12:11 PM
quote: Originally posted by shura: Check out this misogyny. Imagine assuming the woman in question wants anything to do with the man. Imagine assuming the man is in the picture at all. Imagine assuming the man has any rights in this situation.
misogynistic and racist, good combination
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Randall Webmaster Posts: 142780 From: Your Friendly Neighborhood Juris Doctorate. Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 31, 2021 01:39 PM
God forbid people should read a bill before commenting on it. IP: Logged |
PhoenixRising Knowflake Posts: 1586 From: Registered: May 2011
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posted May 31, 2021 02:10 PM
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you didn't even read the actual bill did yo
No, I didn't. I don't have to . Waste of time. But why it has to always be poor woman always to do the job. Wish woman can eat the meat of their mate after the act too lol. It happens with scorpions and Mantis hahaha.
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Dumuzi Knowflake Posts: 3578 From: Registered: Oct 2018
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posted May 31, 2021 02:22 PM
quote: Originally posted by PhoenixRising: No, I didn't. I don't have to . Waste of time. But why it has to always be a woman.
if you read the actual bill (which i linked) you'd see what i already said which is it doesn't have to be the woman, it could be the father, or if the family has no desire to claim the remains the healthcare facility (whatever gender the worker doing the paperwork is) when you comment without knowing what you're actually speaking about it's easy to be wrong, and you're extremely wrong here what teasel posted were not the bills, but reactionary opinions that were the equivalent of someone saying "gay marriage is legal and now we can **** dogs" that's the level of ridiculous what teasel posted was i not only posted the actual bill but reiterated its actual contents here, this isn't at all focused on women and you're reacting to ******** rather than fact edit: you actually quoted my comment and deleted the bit where i told you the father could too in order to say "always the woman" what's the point in responding if you selectively read things? IP: Logged |
Dumuzi Knowflake Posts: 3578 From: Registered: Oct 2018
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posted May 31, 2021 02:27 PM
in response to your addition: "the poor woman" thing is legitimately ******** here, the woman going through the miscarriage is not at all obligated to do anything she's only required to fill out a form if she wishes to have the remains of the baby and if she does not it falls on the facility to deal with both the remains and the paperwork your anti man mantis talk has no place in this discussion and is just unnecessary IP: Logged |
PhoenixRising Knowflake Posts: 1586 From: Registered: May 2011
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posted May 31, 2021 02:29 PM
she's only required to fill out a form if she wishes to have the remains of the baby and if she does not it falls on the facility to deal with both the remains and the paperworkIP: Logged |
PhoenixRising Knowflake Posts: 1586 From: Registered: May 2011
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posted May 31, 2021 02:32 PM
The facility may already be doing this. Don't have to waste time by involving citizens. MAke it as part of their obtaining their license. Nuff said no more of my comments.
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Dumuzi Knowflake Posts: 3578 From: Registered: Oct 2018
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posted May 31, 2021 02:47 PM
quote: Originally posted by PhoenixRising: The facility may already be doing this. Don't have to waste time by involving citizens. MAke it as part of their obtaining their license. Nuff said no more of my comments.
facilities are currently not obligated to treat the remains of miscarried children as anything other than biowaste, this bill is so that the remains are treated the same way human remains are if the families wish to retrieve the remains for burial or cremation they are not able to because you can't ask a hospital for biowaste it gets disposed of this bill just changes the default from treating a miscarried child like a tumor to like a human corpse and allow parents access to their dead child if they wish to have it people doing paperwork for death certificates and so on is nothing new, it's a standard procedure, in order to retrieve things paperwork needs to be filed by the family not the the hospital if nothing is retrieved the hospital does the paperwork and takes care of everything the bill is literally just about treating miscarried children like humans posthumous, that's all IP: Logged |
mirage29 Knowflake Posts: 14615 From: us Registered: May 2012
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posted May 31, 2021 04:19 PM
New RulesBetter for a woman to find a way to sterilize her womb and ovaries right now-- BEFORE they begin electronically following her lady-parts and Cycles via bio-tagging; do it NOW so you can escape electronic 'detection' by your State govt's nationalistic-leaders. Last warnings Better to flee. Be lucky enough to find protection in a closed-community where women are valued, and allowed freedom and independence; where, if they've "retained their wombs" they can remain protected from the men, the rapists, and new nationalist govt breeding program beta-plan and already adopted by extremist State govts-- around the Globe. NOTE: If you have ovaries that can't work for YOU??, then This Govt's Legislature has the Right to hijack your uterus! Your body is MANDATED to be used as a Volunteer in The State Uterus Eminent-Domain Surrogacy Birth-Programs . . Oh, and if you are an Elderly retired woman-- You have NOT missed out!! Depending on needs of The State they can and will determine the health of your Womb. . . If it is still in ~good shape, you are compelled to cooperate with all State Breeding Program Requirements. (Uterus to be Discarded, of course, after Participation.. if you lived through it.) Women are Born and Mandated BY HOLY Decree of "The Official Nationalistic Religion-god" to be the Breeders for Men -- BREED!! and Multiply Women are called 'womb-men' for a reason. Purpose of a womb'man body ~~ is to Carry Men's BABIES .. and give ALL Erected men SEX at-will. ... ""Especially when You're Just 17, and If You Know Just-What-I-mean!!"" LOL. (That's an insider's in-House Joke popular among nationalistic Legislators) Women will NOT have a voice in our new upcoming authoritarian rule-book and your newly re-written Constitution, in this New form of Govt. .. Don't worry .. Really, it's gonna be EASIER for you-- no Stress, no need to make Decisions, NONE of that nasty~Voting requirement to stand in long lines exposed to inclement weather all day, and other people's germs-- (no water, no hot drinks, no 'visiting' or talking with your neighbor in line-- that's coming next, of course). . . Nope, ALL Burdens of needing to Make Decisions, are OFF your pretty Shoulders.. There! Doesn't that '~feel' better? FOR The poor and destitute menstruating women-- You ARE required to birth and raise your rape-babies without making a selfish imposition on Society. You are not to be a "Burden" and place conscience-hardships by asking support from more regular Society-People -- Nor will they be permitted to "bother" the govt (incl. baby-daddy, or Others) by sad solicitations for help and some support. Your WOMB does not belong to 'you'.. HOWEVER! ---------------- * YOU are responsible for ANY womb material contents-- * Your body is your sole financial Responsibility! AND That WILL MEAN-- You and you alone will be Responsible for raising deformed baby. Do NOT ask Society nor your Govt for help raising your solely-created deformed baby. YOUR sick-DNA debris will never be made into your "Govt's" Problem or Humanity's Responsibility {by written Legislator Amendment} in the citizen's requirements of Your Govt's Breeding Program. STAR MODEL: In Texas year of 2021, one winter last February, The Nationalistic-State-Governor made a Decree-- Your Govt {that I run} is NOT your source. "WE" are 'not' responsible for 'your' life and family's survival. If you got yourself in that position, EVEN if alleging it is not your fault {due to Poverty, low-wages}, then that's YOUR own sucky-life's 'failure'. No one is their brother's keeper. Your sole survival needs (and lack of luck) is NOT another-person's concern. It's YOURS, all-by-your-lil'whiny-butt complaining self. WORK WORK WORK Program ALL need to WORK {including any forced-participation in Volunteer Breeding} FOR THE PURPOSE of paying YOUR taxes, which of course PAY for your deserving-legislators' needs! THAT's YOUR Patriotic Duty as a Citizen in these here god-blessed States, to work so you can Pay Taxes. Be Good to your Leaders; Send them Donations!! after all, They have the tough task and "work" requirement of negotiating (against your own selfish-interests) in order to Provide "Socialism" for our Great American Corporations~~ and those Corporate Executives everywhere, and their families, and extended families cousins neighbors, the dog, .. *tiny violins*.. who have SACRIFICED their Lives, to run these Businesses FOR your BENEFIT... {haw! you ungrateful overpaid sniveling low-wage 'takers'!! -- do you know how much RICHER "we" could be, without your cryin' need for 'us' to PAY you for what you did!!?? That's OVER, that's the past!!} These god blessin' Mighty Corporations were given the POWER by Leadership OF The Congress to Declare *themselves* as Worthy of Rights EQUAL to that of you, a mere mortal human being; .. except of course, when that's NOT-convenient to their stockholders. Only biological humans are "required" to pay for YOUR-OWN legislator's labors of love. I'm tellin' you --- Legislators cannot LIVE on Bribes and Cheating alone. These do NOT provide Enough for them to LIVE ON!! It won't even pay for their third vacation mansions, supplied with sex-workers!! Remember: Your TAX Payments are Crucial as Life-Giving supply for 'your' Legislator, who keep working soooo hard on your behalf --- *sniffles*. And it's NOT the Govt's fault if you find yourself without an "income-eligibility" to use any of the deserving wealthy-citizen 'tax loophole' programs-- provided them BY those generous Govt Legislators your money supports. In the Future Govt, it's made simplified-- women get NO say. They must take their place, and serve the needs of their family without pay nor a complaint.
*Pay NO attention to the little man behind that curtail* ** Drops the Megaphone ** *thud* Next?????
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shura Knowflake Posts: 3060 From: kamaloka Registered: Jun 2009
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posted June 01, 2021 12:17 PM
quote: Originally posted by mirage29: New RulesBetter for a woman to find a way to sterilize her womb and ovaries right now-- BEFORE they begin electronically following her lady-parts and Cycles via bio-tagging; do it NOW so you can escape electronic 'detection' by your State govt's nationalistic-leaders. Last warnings Better to flee. Be lucky enough to find protection in a closed-community where women are valued, and allowed freedom and independence; where, if they've "retained their wombs" they can remain protected from the men, the rapists, and [b]new nationalist govt breeding program beta-plan and already adopted by extremist State govts-- around the Globe. NOTE: If you have ovaries that can't work for YOU??, then This Govt's Legislature has the Right to hijack your uterus! Your body is MANDATED to be used as a Volunteer in The State Uterus Eminent-Domain Surrogacy Birth-Programs . . Oh, and if you are an Elderly retired woman-- You have NOT missed out!! Depending on needs of The State they can and will determine the health of your Womb. . . If it is still in ~good shape, you are compelled to cooperate with all State Breeding Program Requirements. (Uterus to be Discarded, of course, after Participation.. if you lived through it.) Women are Born and Mandated BY HOLY Decree of "The Official Nationalistic Religion-god" to be the Breeders for Men -- BREED!! and Multiply Women are called 'womb-men' for a reason. Purpose of a womb'man body ~~ is to Carry Men's BABIES .. and give ALL Erected men SEX at-will. ... ""Especially when You're Just 17, and If You Know Just-What-I-mean!!"" LOL. (That's an insider's in-House Joke popular among nationalistic Legislators) Women will NOT have a voice in our new upcoming authoritarian rule-book and your newly re-written Constitution, in this New form of Govt. .. Don't worry .. Really, it's gonna be EASIER for you-- no Stress, no need to make Decisions, NONE of that nasty~Voting requirement to stand in long lines exposed to inclement weather all day, and other people's germs-- (no water, no hot drinks, no 'visiting' or talking with your neighbor in line-- that's coming next, of course). . . Nope, ALL Burdens of needing to Make Decisions, are OFF your pretty Shoulders.. There! Doesn't that '~feel' better? FOR The poor and destitute menstruating women-- You ARE required to birth and raise your rape-babies without making a selfish imposition on Society. You are not to be a "Burden" and place conscience-hardships by asking support from more regular Society-People -- Nor will they be permitted to "bother" the govt (incl. baby-daddy, or Others) by sad solicitations for help and some support. Your WOMB does not belong to 'you'.. HOWEVER! ---------------- * YOU are responsible for ANY womb material contents-- * Your body is your sole financial Responsibility! AND That WILL MEAN-- You and you alone will be Responsible for raising deformed baby. Do NOT ask Society nor your Govt for help raising your solely-created deformed baby. YOUR sick-DNA debris will never be made into your "Govt's" Problem or Humanity's Responsibility {by written Legislator Amendment} in the citizen's requirements of Your Govt's Breeding Program. STAR MODEL: In Texas year of 2021, one winter last February, The Nationalistic-State-Governor made a Decree-- Your Govt {that I run} is NOT your source. "WE" are 'not' responsible for 'your' life and family's survival. If you got yourself in that position, EVEN if alleging it is not your fault {due to Poverty, low-wages}, then that's YOUR own sucky-life's 'failure'. No one is their brother's keeper. Your sole survival needs (and lack of luck) is NOT another-person's concern. It's YOURS, all-by-your-lil'whiny-butt complaining self. WORK WORK WORK Program ALL need to WORK {including any forced-participation in Volunteer Breeding} FOR THE PURPOSE of paying YOUR taxes, which of course PAY for your deserving-legislators' needs! THAT's YOUR Patriotic Duty as a Citizen in these here god-blessed States, to work so you can Pay Taxes. Be Good to your Leaders; Send them Donations!! after all, They have the tough task and "work" requirement of negotiating (against your own selfish-interests) in order to Provide "Socialism" for our Great American Corporations~~ and those Corporate Executives everywhere, and their families, and extended families cousins neighbors, the dog, .. *tiny violins*.. who have SACRIFICED their Lives, to run these Businesses FOR your BENEFIT... {haw! you ungrateful overpaid sniveling low-wage 'takers'!! -- do you know how much RICHER "we" could be, without your cryin' need for 'us' to PAY you for what you did!!?? That's OVER, that's the past!!} These god blessin' Mighty Corporations were given the POWER by Leadership OF The Congress to Declare *themselves* as Worthy of Rights EQUAL to that of you, a mere mortal human being; .. except of course, when that's NOT-convenient to their stockholders. Only biological humans are "required" to pay for YOUR-OWN legislator's labors of love. I'm tellin' you --- Legislators cannot LIVE on Bribes and Cheating alone. These do NOT provide Enough for them to LIVE ON!! It won't even pay for their third vacation mansions, supplied with sex-workers!! Remember: Your TAX Payments are Crucial as Life-Giving supply for 'your' Legislator, who keep working soooo hard on your behalf --- *sniffles*. And it's NOT the Govt's fault if you find yourself without an "income-eligibility" to use any of the deserving wealthy-citizen 'tax loophole' programs-- provided them BY those generous Govt Legislators your money supports. In the Future Govt, it's made simplified-- women get NO say. They must take their place, and serve the needs of their family without pay nor a complaint.
*Pay NO attention to the little man behind that curtail* ** Drops the Megaphone ** *thud* Next?????[/B]
I managed to read thru about 1/3 of this tirade and still feel confident nominating it for most batshiiit crazy post to ever grace GU. IP: Logged |
Dee Moderator Posts: 4732 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 02, 2021 08:59 PM
quote: Originally posted by shura: I managed to read thru about 1/3 of this tirade and still feel confident nominating it for most batshiiit crazy post to ever grace GU.
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mirage29 Knowflake Posts: 14615 From: us Registered: May 2012
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posted June 02, 2021 11:06 PM
short attention spans .... IP: Logged |
teasel Knowflake Posts: 18552 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 02, 2021 11:13 PM
http://www.inquirer.com/opinion/editorials/abortion-ban-heartbeat-roe-wade-supreme-court-gop-tom-wolf-20210526.html http://www.wgal.com/article/pennsylvania-governor-tom-wolf-says-he-will-veto-any-bill-restricting-abortions/36568293# IP: Logged |