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Belage
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posted July 19, 2021 11:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's not money or more control over the population, though that is a minor reason.

The real reason is because they can't afford to have a control group.

The unvaccinated are the CONTROL group who will help establish with definite certainty whether or not these novel vaccines have mid and long term side effects.

For instance, if in a couple of years from now, the vaccinated are found to develop more illnesses while the incidence of those illnesses does not increase in the unvaccinated population, then there will be a lot of angry vaccinated people and the vaccine pharmaceutical industry and the medical establishment that supports it will never again be able to fearmonger people into taking experimental vaccines.

But if EVERYBODY gets vaccinated, there will be no way of telling if the increase of certain types of illnesses is due to the vaccines. These illnesses will be blamed on climate change, pollution, stress, pesticides, whatever.

Therefore for the future of the emerging gene therapy vaccine industry, there must be NO CONTROL GROUP.

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posted July 19, 2021 11:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MoonMystic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You're right re "gene therapy" as opposed to an actual vax. Though the part of the drug cos, they are, unless there's been a recent chg - impervious to any consequences to damages, death or otherwise of anyone - whatsoever. This is an exercise in damages, destruction of natural immunity - lack of care and tbh a much more aggressive version of HH tactics.
The world's strongest parachute has been granted to these monstrosities companies - that no other industry may be granted. That's the real illness - it is sick.

They have censored most all small news sectors sharing damages, deaths and facts they refer to as mis-truths.


The above message was for entertainment purposes only .. because someone will soon say nothing said was true.

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posted July 19, 2021 11:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Brilliant. You nailed it.

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posted July 20, 2021 12:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh, come on. It’s a pandemic. Why do you have to make things so complicated?

It’s good to see the Fox News hosts (a few of them), finally stopping with their lies, but I’m sure they don’t care about the rest of us. It’s either the stock market (they’re losing money), or lawsuits heading their way.

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posted July 20, 2021 12:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sure. You would love it for there to be no control group so that you don't have to eat crow a few years from now after spending so much energy promoting mandatory vaccination.

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posted July 20, 2021 12:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Brilliant. You nailed it.

I doubt it, but if true, your Trump is in on it. He fast-tracked the vaccine. He wants credit for it, and was encouraging his supporters to get vaccinated.

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posted July 20, 2021 12:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Belage:
Sure. You would love it for there to be no control group so that you don't have to eat crow a few years from now after spending so much energy promoting mandatory vaccination.

I can admit when I’m wrong. When it comes to conspiracy theories, the goal posts always move, so more excuses will pop up along the way.

You have no idea of my history, by the way. I haven’t always been pro-vaccine, for one thing. My stance isn’t political, either.

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posted July 20, 2021 12:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I also haven’t promoted mandatory vaccination. You just can’t expect some businesses to not require things like vaccinations, if you want to work there, or visit for something like a concert, when it comes to a pandemic.

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posted July 20, 2021 12:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by teasel:
I can admit when I’m wrong. When it comes to conspiracy theories, the goal posts always move, so more excuses will pop up along the way.

You have no idea of my history, by the way. I haven’t always been pro-vaccine, for one thing. My stance isn’t political, either.


Your stance is not political? Okay.

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posted July 20, 2021 12:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by teasel:
I also haven’t promoted mandatory vaccination. You just can’t expect some businesses to not require things like vaccinations, if you want to work there, or visit for something like a concert, when it comes to a pandemic.

I have the right to expect business not to require EXPERIMENTAL vaccines.

Let me say it again in case you miss the distinction: EXPERIMENTAL vaccines.

The word experimental is the only one that's appropriate for these vaccines, and if you disagree, then produce prompto studies on the mid and long term side effects of those vaccines. go ahead, I will wait for you!

ETA: By the way, I am glad you are not promoting mandatory vaccination, though it sure looks like it reading your posts.

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posted July 20, 2021 12:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Your stance is not political? Okay.

It isn’t. I haven’t pushed for my friends to get vaccinated. I’ve pushed against outrageous claims that might get them killed.

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posted July 20, 2021 12:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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It isn’t. I haven’t pushed for my friends to get vaccinated. I’ve pushed against outrageous claims that might get them killed.

Okay. You haven't pushed for your friends to get vaccinated. You're just pushing it here on this forum! Got it!

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posted July 20, 2021 12:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Belage:
I have the right to expect business not to require EXPERIMENTAL vaccines.

Let me say it again in case you miss the distinction: EXPERIMENTAL vaccines.

The word experimental is the only one that's appropriate for these vaccines, and if you disagree, then produce prompto studies on the mid and long term side effects of those vaccines. go ahead, I will wait for you!

ETA: By the way, I am glad you are not promoting mandatory vaccination, though it sure looks like it reading your posts.


And that is something I understand, which I’ve already told you. Yet there has been pushback against other vaccines recently, not just the covid vaccine.

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posted July 20, 2021 12:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Okay. You haven't pushed for your friends to get vaccinated. You're just pushing it here on this forum! Got it!

Not so. I’ve shared information after reading complete ******** here. There was one time I quipped something about seeing vaccination cards. This forum has been full of Trump craziness, like his getting vaccinated, but not doing so in front of a camera, because he knows he has the support of people who were pushing conspiracy theories about the vaccine. He even said the other day, that his supporters aren’t getting vaccinated, because he isn’t the president anymore! He told them to get vaccinated, and then decided to push the conspiracies against too, because it’s all political for him.

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posted July 20, 2021 12:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Okay teasel, I am going to say this with all the respect I can muster in my heart for you.

No one, including you, no one has the right to force or push mandatory vaccination of experimental vaccines on anyone. No one has that moral right. There is no excuse, nothing that can justify that.

These EXPERIMENTAL vaccines should be voluntary.

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posted July 20, 2021 12:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Okay teasel, I am going to say this with all the respect I can muster in my heart for you.

No one, including you, no one has the right to force or push mandatory vaccination of experimental vaccines on anyone. No one has that moral right. There is no excuse, nothing that can justify that.

These EXPERIMENTAL vaccines should be voluntary.


And I’ve already told you that I understand that.

Can you also understand that we should be wearing masks around children who can’t get vaccinated? They’re getting sick, too. Why not fall on the side of being careful, for their sake too?

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posted July 20, 2021 12:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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And that is something I understand, which I’ve already told you. Yet there has been pushback against other vaccines recently, not just the covid vaccine.

I am not really concerned about the pushback against other vaccines. This is not a pressing issue in my life right now. I have enough to worry about forced Covid vaccine vaccinations on my plate already.

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posted July 20, 2021 01:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It doesn’t take much energy to post things that I’ve read. This sort of thing - the back-and-forth DOES. Especially when I’m the only one here that isn’t a trumper. If I could be relaxing and reading somewhere, I would be. I’ve told you, GU is a bad habit that I was trying to break. I need to go and do something else.

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posted July 20, 2021 01:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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And I’ve already told you that I understand that.

Can you also understand that we should be wearing masks around children who can’t get vaccinated? They’re getting sick, too. Why not fall on the side of being careful, for their sake too?


I am glad you understand that. This is something we can have common ground on.

On the subject of masks and children, I appreciate your concern. My position is, considering the low level of covid casualties in the pediatric population, the risks outweight the benefits of wearing a mask. I believe we are damaging children by making them wear those muzzles that interfere with proper oxygen inhalation. I was a very active kid, and I can't imagine having to wear a mask while running around, sweating in my masks, and inhaling carbon dioxide.

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posted July 20, 2021 01:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Belage:
I am not really concerned about the pushback against other vaccines. This is not a pressing issue in my life right now. I have enough to worry about forced Covid vaccine vaccinations on my plate already.

They aren’t being forced. Nobody is coming with guns, and forcing it onto you.

A friend of mine who was dead against it, was vaccinated recently. I was stunned, and haven’t asked her why she went ahead with it.

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posted July 20, 2021 01:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you for actually talking with me, instead of just snarking.

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posted July 20, 2021 01:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Thank you for actually talking with me, instead of just snarking.

You are welcome.

I can respect your passion and that you feel strongly about things. I can be passionate too.

It's not easy to conduct discussion without snark, and I am sometimes guilty of that, for which I apologize.

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posted July 20, 2021 02:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Masks have zero effectiveness against viruses.

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posted July 20, 2021 02:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Add McConnell to the list: http://twitter.com/AllisonMPecorin/status/1417550147488206853?s=20

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posted July 20, 2021 03:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There is no “list.” FOX News has always been supportive of vaccines in general and the COVID vaccine in particular.

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