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teasel
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posted August 04, 2021 11:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Food and Drug Administration’s move is expected to kick off more vaccination mandates for hospital workers, college students and federal troops.

http://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/03/us/politics/pfizer-vaccine-approval.html

Some of you said that you were waiting to see if the FDA approved it.

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posted August 04, 2021 01:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PhoenixRising     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Giving final approval to the Pfizer vaccine — rather than relying on the emergency authorization granted late last year by the F.D.A. — could help increase inoculation rates at a moment when the highly transmissible Delta variant of the virus is sharply driving up the number of new cases.


I will not trust anything the government says this soon. When you divide saturn cycle 28 into 4 parts even that suggests 7 years when every cell of your body changes. Min 7 years is required to approve any human western based med or vaxx. And covid is < 2 years old.

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posted August 04, 2021 02:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We never said that. We told you that you were using a drug not approved.

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posted August 04, 2021 02:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Did you take Pfizer?

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posted August 04, 2021 03:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MoonMystic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by PhoenixRising:

I will not trust anything the government says this soon. When you divide saturn cycle 28 into 4 parts even that suggests 7 years when every cell of your body changes. Min 7 years is required to approve any human western based med or vaxx. And covid is < 2 years old.

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posted August 04, 2021 06:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shura     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The more idiot repubs cite the vaccine's experimental status as reason to decline it, the faster DC/Pharm will push it through the full authorization process. They will block every escape route before you get there because the Right is, as always, 10 steps behind the Left.

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posted August 04, 2021 07:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shura     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Heard from 3 people today who were told by their HR departments that September is the cut off to vax if they wish to remain employed. This is one small local business and two mid level regional corps.

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posted August 05, 2021 07:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by shura:
The more idiot repubs cite the vaccine's experimental status as reason to decline it, the faster DC/Pharm will push it through the full authorization process. They will block every escape route before you get there because the Right is, as always, 10 steps behind the Left.

It is still experimental, it doesn't matter how many stamps of approvals the FDA puts on it.

I think I know what you mean though. Whenever I heard people say that the vaccine was not FDA approved as their reason for declining it, I always winced because the FDA is a corrupt organization.

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posted August 05, 2021 11:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shura     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What I'm getting at is the "it's experimental!!" argument against mandates has a short sell by date.

Put yourself in their headspace for a minute. You want me to cite this reason first and foremost - you want me to rely on it to the exclusion of all other arguments - because that one argument is the most easily countered. All you have to do is move along that full approval process.

Every time we scream about experimental vaccines, we back our King piece into a corner.

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posted August 05, 2021 11:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shura     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://www.cato.org/commentary/fda-serious-about-vaccine-hesitancy-it-should-fully-approve-vaccines-now

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posted August 05, 2021 11:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shura     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://news.yahoo.com/fda-signals-expedite-full-approval-135629942.html

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posted August 05, 2021 11:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So, the FDA can expedite approval of the vaccines and manufacturers are covered by a grant of immunity from being sued for adverse reactions.

But, employers, unions, cities, counties, states and even the feds aren't covered by immunity from suit if they mandate vaccinations as a condition of employment. This is not blanket immunity from suit. Those who are injured by mandated vaccination should pack the courts with law suits...and I think that should happen and will happen.

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posted August 06, 2021 12:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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So, the FDA can expedite approval of the vaccines and manufacturers are covered by a grant of immunity from being sued for adverse reactions.

But, employers, unions, cities, counties, states and even the feds aren't covered by immunity from suit if they mandate vaccinations as a condition of employment. This is not blanket immunity from suit. Those who are injured by mandated vaccination should pack the courts with law suits...and I think that should happen and will happen.


Excellent point. For instance, giving legal notice to your employer that if you are injured by the vaccine, they will be held liable.

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posted August 06, 2021 12:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Excellent point. For instance, giving legal notice to your employer that if you are injured by the vaccine, they will be held liable.

Exactly.

And if a company fires an employee for failure to vaccinate, that company may find themselves paying that employee's salary for many years into the future....including periodic pay raises.

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posted August 06, 2021 05:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/566513-texas-republican-leader-dies-of-covid-19-five-days-after-anti

Haven’t read responses yet. Might not get around to it.

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posted August 06, 2021 05:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Chris Johansen, or someone with access to his account, posted an update on his wife. She’s stable, and apparently responding to commands that let them know if she’s understanding them, not won’t remove her from the ventilator, I guess, until they know that she can breathe on her own.

Her Facebook profile has “I don’t care if you’ve had your vaccine” around her picture.

The Texas GOP member who died, days after mocking covid - his family has now set up a go fund me to pay the medical bills.

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posted August 06, 2021 05:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
They had a new baby.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/h-scott-apley-chair-of-galveston-county-texas-gop-mocked-covid-days-before-he-died-of-virus

His wife now has covid, too. The article mentions a woman from Brooklyn, who avoided the vaccine, and favoured zinc and Vitamin D. She died of covid, too.

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posted August 06, 2021 05:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So, anyway, we will see who was really waiting for the FDA to give its approval once again, and who will move the goal posts. Keep spreading fear, and having people die from covid, in order to “own the libs”.

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posted August 06, 2021 06:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MoonMystic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Exactly.

And if a company fires an employee for failure to vaccinate, that company may find themselves paying that employee's salary for many years into the future....including periodic pay raises.


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posted August 06, 2021 08:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We don’t know if anyone of those people actually died of COVID as the cause. No one who hasn’t taken the vaccine yet is going to change their minds now with all the threats and fear mongering just because a corrupt organization says to. It takes five years or longer to test a vaccine. We have made up our minds to stay in the control group.

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posted August 06, 2021 09:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by teasel:
They had a new baby.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/h-scott-apley-chair-of-ga lveston-county-texas-gop-mocked-covid-days-before-he-died-of-virus

His wife now has covid, too. The article mentions a woman from Brooklyn, who avoided the vaccine, and favoured zinc and Vitamin D. She died of covid, too.


Those are the choices they made.

I still would not take the power of choice away from them.

That's what it meant to be and live as a SOVEREIGN HUMAN BEING. You live by your choices, you die by your choices. you don't live by other people's choices, and you don't die by other people's choices.

ETA: By the way, I just took a look at their pics, and both he and his wife are overweight, a group at risk for Covid complications.

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posted August 06, 2021 09:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Randall:
We don’t know if anyone of those people actually died of COVID as the cause. No one who hasn’t taken the vaccine yet is going to change their minds now with all the threats and fear mongering just because a corrupt organization says to. It takes five years or longer to test a vaccine. We have made up our minds to stay in the control group.

And how about the safe and effective early treatments protocol for Covid like Ivermectin, High doses of Vit C, D and Zing, Hydroxychloroquine that are not used by the hospitals?

You have people going to the hospitals thinking they are getting the best treatments for Covid when this is not actually not true. ONe day, after all this madness is over, we will look back and estimate how many lives would have been saved if these treatments had been allowed.

MORALE OF THE STORY: Don't just say I won't take the vaccine. Educate yourself on the alternatives to take if you should come down with Covid and advocate for yourself to get these treatments if you or a loved one has to go to the hospital.

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posted August 06, 2021 02:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shura     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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ETA: By the way, I just took a look at their pics, and both he and his wife are overweight, a group at risk for Covid complications.

Typical. Unfortunately, all too typical for Americans.

Occasionally I will look past the manipulative headline and invariably I find either obesity, chronic illness, or other cause of death.

If the powers that be genuinely cared to protect the peasants, we would be subject to an endless barrage of "loss weight, eat better, exercise" propaganda. But, no. That might hurt sensitive feelings.

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posted August 06, 2021 02:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shura     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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And how about the safe and effective early treatments protocol for Covid like Ivermectin, High doses of Vit C, D and Zing, Hydroxychloroquine that are not used by the hospitals?

You have people going to the hospitals thinking they are getting the best treatments for Covid when this is not actually not true. ONe day, after all this madness is over, we will look back and estimate how many lives would have been saved if these treatments had been allowed.

MORALE OF THE STORY: Don't just say I won't take the vaccine. Educate yourself on the alternatives to take if you should come down with Covid and advocate for yourself to get these treatments if you or a loved one has to go to the hospital. [/b]



http://covid19criticalcare.com/covid-19-protocols/

Doctor designed protocols worth a look for anyone inclined to take responsibility for themselves

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posted August 06, 2021 09:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by shura:


http://covid19criticalcare.com/covid-19-protocols/

Doctor designed protocols worth a look for anyone inclined to take responsibility for themselves


Definitely worth keeping in mind and having handy should one gets sick with Covid.

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