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Topic: F.D.A. Aims to Give Final Approval to Pfizer Vaccine by Early Next Month
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teasel Knowflake Posts: 19469 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 04, 2021 11:17 AM
The Food and Drug Administration’s move is expected to kick off more vaccination mandates for hospital workers, college students and federal troops. http://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/03/us/politics/pfizer-vaccine-approval.html Some of you said that you were waiting to see if the FDA approved it. IP: Logged |
PhoenixRising Knowflake Posts: 1925 From: Registered: May 2011
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posted August 04, 2021 01:07 PM
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Giving final approval to the Pfizer vaccine — rather than relying on the emergency authorization granted late last year by the F.D.A. — could help increase inoculation rates at a moment when the highly transmissible Delta variant of the virus is sharply driving up the number of new cases.
I will not trust anything the government says this soon. When you divide saturn cycle 28 into 4 parts even that suggests 7 years when every cell of your body changes. Min 7 years is required to approve any human western based med or vaxx. And covid is < 2 years old.
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Randall Webmaster Posts: 145635 From: Your Friendly Neighborhood Juris Doctorate. Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 04, 2021 02:11 PM
We never said that. We told you that you were using a drug not approved.IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 145635 From: Your Friendly Neighborhood Juris Doctorate. Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 04, 2021 02:11 PM
Did you take Pfizer?IP: Logged |
MoonMystic Knowflake Posts: 5629 From: Inside the Ring of 🔥 Registered: Nov 2016
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posted August 04, 2021 03:10 PM
quote: Originally posted by PhoenixRising: I will not trust anything the government says this soon. When you divide saturn cycle 28 into 4 parts even that suggests 7 years when every cell of your body changes. Min 7 years is required to approve any human western based med or vaxx. And covid is < 2 years old.
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shura Knowflake Posts: 3178 From: kamaloka Registered: Jun 2009
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posted August 04, 2021 06:57 PM
The more idiot repubs cite the vaccine's experimental status as reason to decline it, the faster DC/Pharm will push it through the full authorization process. They will block every escape route before you get there because the Right is, as always, 10 steps behind the Left.IP: Logged |
shura Knowflake Posts: 3178 From: kamaloka Registered: Jun 2009
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posted August 04, 2021 07:02 PM
Heard from 3 people today who were told by their HR departments that September is the cut off to vax if they wish to remain employed. This is one small local business and two mid level regional corps.IP: Logged |
Belage Knowflake Posts: 4703 From: USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 05, 2021 07:43 PM
quote: Originally posted by shura: The more idiot repubs cite the vaccine's experimental status as reason to decline it, the faster DC/Pharm will push it through the full authorization process. They will block every escape route before you get there because the Right is, as always, 10 steps behind the Left.
It is still experimental, it doesn't matter how many stamps of approvals the FDA puts on it. I think I know what you mean though. Whenever I heard people say that the vaccine was not FDA approved as their reason for declining it, I always winced because the FDA is a corrupt organization.
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shura Knowflake Posts: 3178 From: kamaloka Registered: Jun 2009
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posted August 05, 2021 11:15 PM
What I'm getting at is the "it's experimental!!" argument against mandates has a short sell by date. Put yourself in their headspace for a minute. You want me to cite this reason first and foremost - you want me to rely on it to the exclusion of all other arguments - because that one argument is the most easily countered. All you have to do is move along that full approval process. Every time we scream about experimental vaccines, we back our King piece into a corner. IP: Logged |
shura Knowflake Posts: 3178 From: kamaloka Registered: Jun 2009
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posted August 05, 2021 11:28 PM
http://www.cato.org/commentary/fda-serious-about-vaccine-hesitancy-it-should-fully-approve-vaccines-now IP: Logged |
shura Knowflake Posts: 3178 From: kamaloka Registered: Jun 2009
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posted August 05, 2021 11:34 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/fda-signals-expedite-full-approval-135629942.html IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 16509 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 05, 2021 11:57 PM
So, the FDA can expedite approval of the vaccines and manufacturers are covered by a grant of immunity from being sued for adverse reactions.But, employers, unions, cities, counties, states and even the feds aren't covered by immunity from suit if they mandate vaccinations as a condition of employment. This is not blanket immunity from suit. Those who are injured by mandated vaccination should pack the courts with law suits...and I think that should happen and will happen. IP: Logged |
Belage Knowflake Posts: 4703 From: USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 06, 2021 12:23 AM
quote: Originally posted by jwhop: So, the FDA can expedite approval of the vaccines and manufacturers are covered by a grant of immunity from being sued for adverse reactions.But, employers, unions, cities, counties, states and even the feds aren't covered by immunity from suit if they mandate vaccinations as a condition of employment. This is not blanket immunity from suit. Those who are injured by mandated vaccination should pack the courts with law suits...and I think that should happen and will happen.
Excellent point. For instance, giving legal notice to your employer that if you are injured by the vaccine, they will be held liable.
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jwhop Knowflake Posts: 16509 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 06, 2021 12:32 AM
quote: Originally posted by Belage: Excellent point. For instance, giving legal notice to your employer that if you are injured by the vaccine, they will be held liable.
Exactly.  And if a company fires an employee for failure to vaccinate, that company may find themselves paying that employee's salary for many years into the future....including periodic pay raises. IP: Logged |
teasel Knowflake Posts: 19469 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 06, 2021 05:41 AM
http://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/566513-texas-republican-leader-dies-of-covid-19-five-days-after-anti Haven’t read responses yet. Might not get around to it. IP: Logged |
teasel Knowflake Posts: 19469 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 06, 2021 05:48 AM
Chris Johansen, or someone with access to his account, posted an update on his wife. She’s stable, and apparently responding to commands that let them know if she’s understanding them, not won’t remove her from the ventilator, I guess, until they know that she can breathe on her own. Her Facebook profile has “I don’t care if you’ve had your vaccine” around her picture. The Texas GOP member who died, days after mocking covid - his family has now set up a go fund me to pay the medical bills. IP: Logged |
teasel Knowflake Posts: 19469 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 06, 2021 05:53 AM
They had a new baby. http://www.thedailybeast.com/h-scott-apley-chair-of-galveston-county-texas-gop-mocked-covid-days-before-he-died-of-virus His wife now has covid, too. The article mentions a woman from Brooklyn, who avoided the vaccine, and favoured zinc and Vitamin D. She died of covid, too. IP: Logged |
teasel Knowflake Posts: 19469 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 06, 2021 05:56 AM
So, anyway, we will see who was really waiting for the FDA to give its approval once again, and who will move the goal posts. Keep spreading fear, and having people die from covid, in order to “own the libs”. IP: Logged |
MoonMystic Knowflake Posts: 5629 From: Inside the Ring of 🔥 Registered: Nov 2016
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posted August 06, 2021 06:06 AM
quote: Originally posted by jwhop: Exactly.  And if a company fires an employee for failure to vaccinate, that company may find themselves paying that employee's salary for many years into the future....including periodic pay raises.
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Randall Webmaster Posts: 145635 From: Your Friendly Neighborhood Juris Doctorate. Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 06, 2021 08:56 AM
We don’t know if anyone of those people actually died of COVID as the cause. No one who hasn’t taken the vaccine yet is going to change their minds now with all the threats and fear mongering just because a corrupt organization says to. It takes five years or longer to test a vaccine. We have made up our minds to stay in the control group.
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Belage Knowflake Posts: 4703 From: USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 06, 2021 09:49 AM
quote: Originally posted by teasel: They had a new baby. http://www.thedailybeast.com/h-scott-apley-chair-of-ga lveston-county-texas-gop-mocked-covid-days-before-he-died-of-virus His wife now has covid, too. The article mentions a woman from Brooklyn, who avoided the vaccine, and favoured zinc and Vitamin D. She died of covid, too.
Those are the choices they made. I still would not take the power of choice away from them. That's what it meant to be and live as a SOVEREIGN HUMAN BEING. You live by your choices, you die by your choices. you don't live by other people's choices, and you don't die by other people's choices. ETA: By the way, I just took a look at their pics, and both he and his wife are overweight, a group at risk for Covid complications. IP: Logged |
Belage Knowflake Posts: 4703 From: USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 06, 2021 09:54 AM
quote: Originally posted by Randall: We don’t know if anyone of those people actually died of COVID as the cause. No one who hasn’t taken the vaccine yet is going to change their minds now with all the threats and fear mongering just because a corrupt organization says to. It takes five years or longer to test a vaccine. We have made up our minds to stay in the control group.
And how about the safe and effective early treatments protocol for Covid like Ivermectin, High doses of Vit C, D and Zing, Hydroxychloroquine that are not used by the hospitals?You have people going to the hospitals thinking they are getting the best treatments for Covid when this is not actually not true. ONe day, after all this madness is over, we will look back and estimate how many lives would have been saved if these treatments had been allowed. MORALE OF THE STORY: Don't just say I won't take the vaccine. Educate yourself on the alternatives to take if you should come down with Covid and advocate for yourself to get these treatments if you or a loved one has to go to the hospital. IP: Logged |
shura Knowflake Posts: 3178 From: kamaloka Registered: Jun 2009
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posted August 06, 2021 02:04 PM
quote: ETA: By the way, I just took a look at their pics, and both he and his wife are overweight, a group at risk for Covid complications.
Typical. Unfortunately, all too typical for Americans. Occasionally I will look past the manipulative headline and invariably I find either obesity, chronic illness, or other cause of death. If the powers that be genuinely cared to protect the peasants, we would be subject to an endless barrage of "loss weight, eat better, exercise" propaganda. But, no. That might hurt sensitive feelings. IP: Logged |
shura Knowflake Posts: 3178 From: kamaloka Registered: Jun 2009
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posted August 06, 2021 02:07 PM
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And how about the safe and effective early treatments protocol for Covid like Ivermectin, High doses of Vit C, D and Zing, Hydroxychloroquine that are not used by the hospitals?You have people going to the hospitals thinking they are getting the best treatments for Covid when this is not actually not true. ONe day, after all this madness is over, we will look back and estimate how many lives would have been saved if these treatments had been allowed. MORALE OF THE STORY: Don't just say I won't take the vaccine. Educate yourself on the alternatives to take if you should come down with Covid and advocate for yourself to get these treatments if you or a loved one has to go to the hospital. [/b]
 http://covid19criticalcare.com/covid-19-protocols/ Doctor designed protocols worth a look for anyone inclined to take responsibility for themselves IP: Logged |
Belage Knowflake Posts: 4703 From: USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 06, 2021 09:31 PM
quote: Originally posted by shura:  http://covid19criticalcare.com/covid-19-protocols/ Doctor designed protocols worth a look for anyone inclined to take responsibility for themselves
Definitely worth keeping in mind and having handy should one gets sick with Covid.
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