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Topic: The Anti-Maskers And Anti-Vaxxers Were Right All Along!
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Randall
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posted January 19, 2022 05:35 PM
  
People were running around wearing masks thinking not only that they were protected but were guilted into thinking they were protecting others, while all they were doing was spreading it around more. Then they were duped into thinking that the vaccine would stop the virus with each of them. The ultimate con job. But instead of realizing that the jig is up, they delude themselves into denial. Cognitive dissonance much? We anti-maskers and anti-vaxxers were right all along. IP: Logged |
teasel
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posted January 19, 2022 06:44 PM
Nope. IP: Logged |
teasel
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posted January 19, 2022 06:44 PM
I think it’s weird that you have repeatedly posted that N95s work, but you refused to wear them all along. IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted January 19, 2022 08:23 PM
I would be more concerned about you running around this whole time thinking you were safe and protecting others by wearing a piece of cloth over your face because you were either too stubborn or too stupid to listen to obvious facts. IP: Logged |
Belage
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posted January 19, 2022 08:34 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Randall:
I would be more concerned about you running around this whole time thinking you were safe and protecting others by wearing a piece of cloth over your face because you were either too stubborn or too stupid to listen to obvious facts.
which one was it, teasel? Too stubborn or too stupid? 
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jwhop
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posted January 19, 2022 11:22 PM
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Originally posted by teasel:
I think it’s weird that you have repeatedly posted that N95s work, but you refused to wear them all along.
Proverb:
There are none so blind as those who will not see! IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted January 19, 2022 11:31 PM
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Originally posted by teasel:
I think it’s weird that you have repeatedly posted that N95s work, but you refused to wear them all along.
Why tf would I wear an N-95 mask? Or any mask, for that matter? IP: Logged |
PhoenixRising
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posted January 21, 2022 04:37 PM
Masks and hygiene measures helps u 30% of the time. Please exercise caution.IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted January 21, 2022 06:12 PM
Where do you get that 30% figure from? Masks help zero percent of the time. Covid is airborne, so sanitizing hands is useless against it. IP: Logged |
Belage
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posted January 22, 2022 03:19 PM
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Originally posted by PhoenixRising:
Masks and hygiene measures helps u 30% of the time. Please exercise caution.
Can you please help us by providing studies or links to back up your 30% statement? Thanks!
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Belage
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posted January 22, 2022 03:22 PM
Just an anecdote.I have been informed that someone I know, who wears N95 and face shield has just tested positive for Covid. And that person has been vaccinated and boosted. The family is befuddled. I am not saying this is happening to everyone who is wearing N95 and face shield. This is just 1 person I know. Maybe the free test kit that was used is faulty or gave a false positive. Who knows?! IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted January 22, 2022 07:15 PM
What's a face shield supposed to do?  IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted January 25, 2022 01:56 PM
Sending Americans N-95 masks is just Biden admitting that the masks he mandated for a year didn't work. What a dumb@ss! IP: Logged |
Dumuzi
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posted January 28, 2022 08:28 PM
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Originally posted by Randall:
What's a face shield supposed to do?
they're so droplets don't get into your eyes, airborne viruses can infect that way so face shields are meant to reduce that in that manner had to wear them when i worked in a nursing home while dealing with covid patients IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted January 29, 2022 05:18 PM
Not sure how effective that would be against aerosol particles. A tight fitting seal on a set of goggles would be better. IP: Logged |
Voix_de_la_Mer
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posted February 08, 2022 02:01 AM
Here in the UK, we were not duped into believing the vaccine would stop the virus, but that it would lessen the impact on the health service by resulting in milder disease in most people. Pretty much the point of all vaccines.
The evidence for mask wearing has always been 50/50. IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted February 08, 2022 05:09 AM
I’ll have to take your word about the UK, and that is what the world authorities say now, but they were all saying the vaccines stop the virus with you—that it stops you from catching it and from spreading it. This should not be compared to other vaccines. It is not a vaccine. This is gene therapy. I thought the point to real vaccines was to wipe out the disease? Small pox? Polio? You are dead wrong about the evidence for mask wearing. A virus is too small to be blocked by a thin piece of cloth. It can only block some of the large droplets, although, some is forced out the sides. But aerosol droplets go right through. And this virus is airborne. If you think a mask works 50 percent of the time, then you have been duped.IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted February 08, 2022 05:24 AM
And where are those N-95s at? Covid will be over by the time they get here.IP: Logged |
teasel
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posted February 08, 2022 12:24 PM
You weren’t right. You are delusional. IP: Logged |
Voix_de_la_Mer
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posted February 08, 2022 12:43 PM
If I recall correctly, it was a study posted in this forum which gave 50/50 efficacy for masks against airborne viruses.Good point about this not actually being a vaccine in the true sense of the word. I didn't actually say I believed anything  IP: Logged |
Belage
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posted February 08, 2022 01:27 PM
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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
Here in the UK, we were not duped into believing the vaccine would stop the virus, but that it would lessen the impact on the health service by resulting in milder disease in most people. Pretty much the point of all vaccines.
The evidence for mask wearing has always been 50/50.
Are you sure this is the point of all vaccines? Until Covid, vaccines were supposed to make one impervious to the virus. For instance, if you got vaccinated for TB, you should not get TB, even in mild form. If you got vaccinated for polio, you should not get polio, even a mild form. Even the flu shots, I have heard people who get their yearly flu shots boast that thanks to the shot, they don't catch the flu. They never say, I still catch the flu but it is a mild one because the shot has made it milder. IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted February 08, 2022 03:27 PM
Studies are flawed all the time. It has been known in the medical field for decades that masks are not effective against viruses. It really is just common sense, though.IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted February 08, 2022 03:27 PM
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Originally posted by teasel:
You weren’t right. You are delusional.
It’s hard to take anything you say seriously. IP: Logged |
Voix_de_la_Mer
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posted February 09, 2022 02:09 AM
Obviously there is some confusion around the word "vaccine" being used in this context, which Randall pointed out, and I accepted.Other vaccines when taken in the correct doses and intervals should prevent the relevant disease, yes. Study results can be manipulated, yes, especially, the often biased, interpretation of the results. This manipulation can apply to lack of evidence of effect as much as it can to evidence of effect, particularly with 50/50 results.
For example, was the duration of the study long enough? Do the variables measured actually give information pertinent to the research question? Was the participant population generalisable to the wider population? Have all possible eventualities that may effect the result been controlled for? (is this even possible??). What even IS a "fact"? It is a belief based on a certain amount of "evidence" that points to an answer to a question. If you are going to discount any science on the basis of the flaws in research, then you really need to discount it all, because it is all based on the same principles and comes with the same pitfalls. The claim that something doesn't work is just as subject to bias and misinterpretation as the claim that something does work. This is why I prefer not to take a side on this, both are flawed. And does it really matter? The only two options are comply or revolt. I'm seeing a lot of shouting, but no revolution. And my gut instinct is that, in the grand scheme of things, this is not really something to worry about. I'm not worried about being duped or persecuted. It's easy to choose what to believe and what not to believe, or to simply believe nothing and just get on with doing what you want to do. IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted February 09, 2022 06:07 AM
Not really. Stopping a virus with a mask is like stopping a firehose with a chain link fence. Transmission rates were near the same in areas with mask mandates and those with none. A Johns Hopkins metadata analysis of several studies showed mortality rates were almost the same with lockdowns as without. This virus raged on unhampered no matter what we did.IP: Logged |
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