posted June 27, 2022 04:00 PM            

As opposed to abortion which destroys the DNA paternity evidence, and leaves the rapist free to continue raping and incesting...

posted June 28, 2022 12:21 AM            

Men get to give a part of their paychecks. When women need to go through labors, postpartum depression, give up their body, and life, dating, socializing, work if they can’t afford a babysitter. Also, take care of a child’s health and behavior problems.

Moreover, many men are self-employed nowadays. It’s not always easy to find any paychecks to garnish there.

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Originally posted by Belage:

Maybe women need to stop opening their wombs to unemployed males...

In addition to using birth control...

I know. Those are novel ideas...

ETA: Of course, I am only speaking of consensual sex, not of rape and incest...

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posted June 28, 2022 01:12 PM            

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Originally posted by Librapurr:
But giving a birth by police orders is ok?!
Many fail to see that abortion isn’t something women do as a first choice, but because they don’t have other choices.

Men get to give a part of their paychecks. When women need to go through labors, postpartum depression, give up their body, and life, dating, socializing, work if they can’t afford a babysitter. Also, take care of a child’s health and behavior problems.

Moreover, many men are self-employed nowadays. It’s not always easy to find any paychecks to garnish there.

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Huh, it’s only women fault again. They should care about everything. Men don’t need to bother themselves with using a protection and possible consequences?!

There’s a suggestion nowadays men are supposed to get vasectomy to help women. This would be a more fair solution.

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There are a series of choices that are exercised before a woman gets pregnant and feels abortion is her only choice:

1) the choice to have sex
2) the choice to have unprotected sex
3) the choice to have sex with unsuitable men (broke, unemployed, unwilling or unable to be suitable fathers or mates) if being a single mother is not acceptable to her.
4) the choice to NOT use the plethora of birth controls available.

I get it. I used to feel that I could and should be able to have sex whenever with whomever, without having to deal with consequences. A baby/fetus was just an annoying afterthought, something that should never come before the mother and before sexual pleasure. I get it, I used to feel like this.

posted June 29, 2022 07:32 PM              

But it needs to be stated nonetheless. This is NOT a step in the right direction. Bureaucracy and government should have no say in what a person can or cannot do with their own body and its processes to this extent.

Also, historically speaking, women have indeed been overly suppressed/repressed/mistreated by men. Treated like they were lesser then. This is just another way to control women/females.

There are groups and men in this (and in other countries) that long for the "good ole days" when women were just 2nd class citizens, and seen and not heard. This is them, getting their way behind the guise of things like "religion". Sure, not ALL the people that are pro life are anti women's rights, but most of the people that are anti women's rights are indeed pro life.

I dare any of you to ask to speak directly to the Source and Yeshua, and ask them, do they have a problem with women having bodily autonomy.

Hey, my sperm are alive and one half of what goes into making a fetus. Maybe these control freaks (mostly rich, white old men) should also outlaw things like jacking off, because you know, every time I do that, these little spermies, which could turn into humans, die. Oh, the horror, the murder of it all.

posted June 29, 2022 08:40 PM              

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Originally posted by Randall:
Actually, there are millions of women who are pro life.

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I know that. I also know that most of them are for lack of a better term, religious/fundamentalist/indoctrinated nuts. God/Source/The Creator wants more spiritual fruits in this world, and less religious nuts...

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This decision has nothing to do with bodily autonomy. A Constitutional right has not been taken away. Abortion was never a Constitutional right. Roe was a horrible decision that took power away from the states. The Supreme Court just made things right. Strictly from a law perspective, rights not enumerated in the Constitution are reserved for the states. It is really just as simple as that. Each state can now decide through their representatives what their abortion laws will look like. And that is the way it legally should be. That sperm reference is just utter nonsense. If anything, it is analogous to a woman’s eggs. And rioting is always stupid, but rioting in states where the ruling won’t even affect abortion is especially so. Plus, protesting the Supreme Court is ridiculous. You are wasting your efforts and time. Protest at the state level

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I do agree that generally speaking, that states should have the right to decide for themselves, but there are certain inalienable rights and issues that need to be addressed at a federal or over arching level as well.

posted June 29, 2022 08:52 PM              

These were mandated at a Federal level, because they needed to be. Historically speaking, certain states were trying to keep these alive.

And don't forget, at one time, plenty of people thought not only were these things ok, but some even thought it good and necessary (especially those who benefited monetarily from it). Goes to show you how warped humans can be in their belief systems/dogma and ego.

posted June 30, 2022 08:59 AM              

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That’s just it—states don’t have full autonomy. Abortion isn’t an inalienable right. And the real nut jobs are on the far left. Their religion is climate change. And it is as radical as can be.

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Bodily autonomy IS and SHOULD BE an inalienable right. Especially so for a group (women/females) that have been historically mistreated and minimized by males and power structures for time immemorial (minus some rare, exceptional cycles and places here and there).

posted July 01, 2022 12:29 PM            

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Where were you when the Biden Disaster was forcing Americans to get vaccinated against Covid.

posted July 01, 2022 04:17 PM              

But then again, the right is being hypocritical as well.

posted July 01, 2022 09:30 PM              

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Originally posted by Randall:
Except that it’s not the mother’s body. So, no hypocrisy on the right. Do not pass go. Do not collect $200.

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What do you think that the baby is made from? Primarily from the mother's body. Those little spermies from us, only inject some information. All the rest of the material is taken from the mother's body.

So if the baby is literally primarily of the mother's body, it is more or less "her body" as well until it leaves same.

Why else does there tend to be such a strong psychic-intuitive connection between mothers and their children? Ever hear of "mother's intuition"? There is a reason for that. It's a real thing/phenomena.

There have been literal studies done, showing that mothers can accurately pick out the articles of clothing worn specifically from their babies, when mixed with various other same clothing from other babies--either by scent or some kind of psychic/intuitive process (or perhaps both). Pretty amazing either way.

Bet you the fathers can't do this accurately and repeatedly like the mothers can...

posted July 01, 2022 11:24 PM              

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Originally posted by Randall:
I highly doubt mothers can do that. Link to any studies? But what does that have to do with a baby being a separate living being from the mother? A baby is not an appendage.

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For starters: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2717541/

Did I say "appendage"? Nope. More like a symbiotic parasite originating and sustained in the mother, intimately connected to and one with same, until the umbilical cord is cut and the baby is out of the womb.

Since the fetus cannot (easily, or rather, naturally) survive without the mother whilst in the womb until fully grown/developed, and since MOST of the fetus is made up of the mother's own bodily material... again, seems pretty clear that while it is technically true there are "two bodies" here, that the bigger perspective truth is more shades of gray, and it is more like one other body contained within and one with, or, "OF" the other body.

But I get it, y'all love simplistic black and whites. Nuance, relativity, larger context, bigger picture perspectives, and shades of gray are just not popular thangs here in Global Unity 2. It's all non professor Hulk style.