posted March 23, 2023 07:25 PM            

Hitler and the Nazi party.

posted March 23, 2023 07:28 PM            

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Originally posted by BlueRoamer:
You know who hated LGBT and systematically murdered them?

Hitler and the Nazi party.

Why can't the american right wing just openly admit its affiliation with hitler and the nazi party?

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Spoken like someone who doesn't have a clue about the elements of fascism.

posted March 24, 2023 12:26 PM            

wtf kind of reddit level asinine argument even is this?

posted March 24, 2023 03:21 PM            

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Originally posted by BlueRoamer:
You know who hated LGBT and systematically murdered them?

Hitler and the Nazi party.

Why can't the american right wing just openly admit its affiliation with hitler and the nazi party?

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Can you please show us where on this website people are hating and advocating the systematic murder of LGBT?

Not going along with the LGBT agenda of pronouns, of drag queens shows in elementary schools, of mutilation of confused children and doping them with hormones, not going along with that program does not qualify as hating and advocating of systematic murder of LGBT.

posted March 24, 2023 03:26 PM            

They systematically censored opposition and dissent.

They forced medical experiments on people without their consent.

posted March 24, 2023 05:23 PM            

The things you said are true, I don't feel the same way about the Biden administration. In fact the vaccines were pushed just as hard under the Trump admin and I agreed with that decision as well. I think getting the vaccines out quickly was the highlight of the Trump presidency.

I dont think covid vaccines were a medical experiment, I think it saved millions of lives, but I also see why people are cautious and paranoid about it.

i don't equate this to the behavior of the nazi party.

I do equate the Tuskegee experiments to the behavior of the nazi party.

I also equate hatred and fear of others as a major platform of both the current US right wing and the nazi party. I dont think politics rooted in fear and hatred is healthy.

Care to elaborate on what you think the biden administration has done that equates it to the nazi party?

posted March 24, 2023 06:16 PM            

The LGBTQ agenda is visibly supported by every major corporation and bank, the ruling political regime, the school systems, national intelligence communities, and both local and national law enforcement agencies. The media reinforces it endlessly. In many western countries, questioning it will earn you a knock on the door from the police. In this country questioning it may cost you your job, your scholarship, your reputation, your friends, your family. The US State Department spokesman (excuse me spokesperson ) has just informed the world that LGBTQ rights are a "core part" of this nation's foreign policy. We have your rainbow flags on everything from Oreos to US embassy buildings.

All this and more, yet you have the audacity to biiitch and whine that youre afraid and the big bad government is coming to take you away on the cattle cars.

posted March 24, 2023 07:41 PM            

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Originally posted by BlueRoamer:
Belage, thanks for bringing things down to a somewhat sensible level where i feel motivated to respond to you.

The things you said are true, I don't feel the same way about the Biden administration. In fact the vaccines were pushed just as hard under the Trump admin and I agreed with that decision as well. I think getting the vaccines out quickly was the highlight of the Trump presidency.

I dont think covid vaccines were a medical experiment, I think it saved millions of lives, but I also see why people are cautious and paranoid about it.

i don't equate this to the behavior of the nazi party.

I do equate the Tuskegee experiments to the behavior of the nazi party.

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I appreciate your willingness to engage me. And maybe we can both learn something out of the exchange.

The reason I am equating it to Hitler's experiment is that:

1) the Covid vaccines were an experiment because there had never been anything like it before, and having been "tested" for just a few months, there was no actual scientific knowledge on the long term effect of the vaccines. That meets the criteria to be called an experiment, whether or not you approve of the vaccines.

2) The mandates removed people's consent. After WW2, and Nazi doctors were undergoing trials at Nuremberg and using all kinds of excuses and reasoning for what they did, the Nuremberg Code was created. It established of principles to prevent the previous medical atrocities from happening again. One of the foremost principles of the Nuremberg Code was that the voluntary consent of the human subject was absolutely essential when conducting an experiment.

posted March 24, 2023 08:25 PM            

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Originally posted by BlueRoamer:

I also equate hatred and fear of others as a major platform of both the current US right wing and the nazi party. I dont think politics rooted in fear and hatred is healthy.

Care to elaborate on what you think the biden administration has done that equates it to the nazi party?

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I agree with you, that the politic of hear and hatred is not healthy.

When it comes to LGBT, I would never subscribe or condone people harassing them, or abusing hem just for being who they are. I know homophobia exists, but I have not seen that on this board. I don't know of anyone IRL who is advocating the murder of LGBT and if I did, I would not associate with them, in fact, I would denouce them. What I have seen is people pushing back against an agenda being shoved down our throats and down childrens throats.

But do you not see how the Biden admin and Biden in particular has fanned the fear and hatred of the unvaxxed? By claiming the unvaxxed were killing people, were spreading Covid, were infecting others, were dangerous to the community? I know people who lost jobs, I know marriages and relationships that broke up, relatives who no longer speak to each other, all over the fear and hatred of the unvaxxed.

All those claims as we now know were false or moot since getting vaxxed has not prevented people from catching Covid, nor from spreading it to others... The Biden admin has never apologized for the fear and hatred it fanned with false claims.

posted March 24, 2023 09:04 PM            

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Originally posted by BlueRoamer:
Belage, thanks for bringing things down to a somewhat sensible level where i feel motivated to respond to you.

The things you said are true, I don't feel the same way about the Biden administration. In fact the vaccines were pushed just as hard under the Trump admin and I agreed with that decision as well. I think getting the vaccines out quickly was the highlight of the Trump presidency.

I dont think covid vaccines were a medical experiment, I think it saved millions of lives, but I also see why people are cautious and paranoid about it.

i don't equate this to the behavior of the nazi party.

I do equate the Tuskegee experiments to the behavior of the nazi party.

I also equate hatred and fear of others as a major platform of both the current US right wing and the nazi party. I dont think politics rooted in fear and hatred is healthy.

Care to elaborate on what you think the biden administration has done that equates it to the nazi party?

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posted March 24, 2023 09:15 PM            

The reason I am equating it to Hitler's experiment is that:

1) the Covid vaccines were an experiment because there had never been anything like it before, and having been "tested" for just a few months, there was no actual scientific knowledge on the long term effect of the vaccines. That meets the criteria to be called an experiment, whether or not you approve of the vaccines.

*I dont think it counts as an experiment because there was significant research dispalying efficacy, trump approved these coming through quickly and I agree with him, this move prevented hundreds of thousands of deaths. The main thing missing is long term s/e research, so hopefully no one grows an extra arm.*

2) The mandates removed people's consent. After WW2, and Nazi doctors were undergoing trials at Nuremberg and using all kinds of excuses and reasoning for what they did, the Nuremberg Code was created. It established of principles to prevent the previous medical atrocities from happening again. One of the foremost principles of the Nuremberg Code was that the voluntary consent of the human subject was absolutely essential when conducting an experiment.\

*I agree that mandates were not ethical, I try to stick to liberterian principles as much as possible, I do not agree with vaccine mandates, I think if someone wants to absorb the risk then go for it. If you worry about others then wear 10 masks and a face shield. I don't agree though that releasing the vaccines was an experiment, maybe just lacking long term outcome data. Also the mandates are not TRUE Mandates, you could still refuse, you just might struggle with employment, travel, and recreation.**

Now, you can argue that the mandates were not as severe and traumatic in their impact and implementation as the actual nazi experimentations on humans, and yes, it would be a valid point. But we are talking here only a matter of degrees. The mandates were still a violation of the Nuremberg Code, a set of principles that were created by people who had actually lived through the horrors of WW2 and nazi experimentation and knew of the danger and slippery slope of forced medical experiments.

**I don't know enough about the code to know whether what you say is true or not, it may be possible that what the US government did was edging a slippery slope towards forced experimentation. The US however was more mild with its mandates than MANY countires, including most of the developed world, including asia and europe. I think people in the US are particularly used to not being told what to do, but thats ot how it goes in most of the world. Not saying it should be that way..***

I agree with you, that the politic of hear and hatred is not healthy.

When it comes to LGBT, I would never subscribe or condone people harassing them, or abusing hem just for being who they are. I know homophobia exists, but I have not seen that on this board. I don't know of anyone IRL who is advocating the murder of LGBT and if I did, I would not associate with them, in fact, I would denouce them. What I have seen is people pushing back against an agenda being shoved down our throats and down childrens throats.

**I don't agree that there is a gay agenda, nor the gay community is trying to shove anything. The gay community wants equal right and recognition under the law, and to be free of hateful rhetoric and targeted violence. The gay community isn't looking for converts. You must admit there's a lot of toxic and hateful rheortic towards the LGBT commmunity, paritulcalry the trans community coming form the US right, and it is a slippery slope.**

But do you not see how the Biden admin and Biden in particular has fanned the fear and hatred of the unvaxxed? By claiming the unvaxxed were killing people, were spreading Covid, were infecting others, were dangerous to the community? I know people who lost jobs, I know marriages and relationships that broke up, relatives who no longer speak to each other, all over the fear and hatred of the unvaxxed.

**I see your point here, i see how the unvaxxed can feel like an oppressed minority who have lots jobs, respect opporutnity, im not sure i agree with the mandates. I dont feel particularly prejudiced against unvaxxed, i dont think its wise, but I go by "your body your choice" unless I feel theres significant harm there, which is why I deviate on this issue with assault rifles but not on vaccinations, LGBT, abortions, and most other issues.**

All those claims as we now know were false or moot since getting vaxxed has not prevented people from catching Covid, nor from spreading it to others... The Biden admin has never apologized for the fear and hatred it fanned with false claims.

**and you dont see an apology becauase that would show weaknesss and weakness wont' win purplse voters. POlitics is politics.**

posted March 25, 2023 07:41 AM            

I am a bit of a WW2 nerd, and I encourage you to research or read about the Nuremberg Code and the Nuremberg trials. Though the Nuremberg Code was later modified, it is important to see that capsule of time showing how people felt and the insight they had gained freshly after going through the horrors of WW2. As time passes, humanity through new generations tends to forget the original real events and the lessons... even as Hitler's name and the Nazi party are being used numerous times rather gratuitously - usually by labeling political opponents nazis or fascists.

As for the LGBT situation, yes homophobia exists but we will have to agree to disagree as to its extent. Perhaps my perception of the severity of homophobia has changed due to my newer religious positions, I will have to keep an open mind about it.

posted March 25, 2023 01:01 PM            

Always keep in mind the universe is a trinity not a duality. Always have a common ground or middle ground perspective as the Buddha taught us with his life.

During the WW2 era, people were growing tired of fascism. Hitlers socialist party thus gain acceptance with the majority. Little did they knew how Hitler was imposing his own beliefs of preserving the perfect DNA for the future and getting rid of what he considered flawed DNA (jews, homos, etc)... To each his own. Hitler is now repenting in heaven . But he has shown the world with his life what not to become. Often the villain is needed in a movie , so that hero will be considered a superhero.

Some rational minded with no emotion , reptilian like humans , may still agree with Hitler today. For futures sakes perhaps living in a non abundant space, justifies his actions. But then, even to this day, there is this fear of non abundance on earth. People are competing with each other for food for job. Only in third world countries like India corruption is still huge at the grass roots levels. In America may be not. But the game there is played is at higher level and those people are still corrupt and care less. Example Rockefeller. Our education system could have been greater but it is not. We could have been in an environment where there is abundance and prosperity is shared. But that did not happen. Instead many still live in fear. Unless we address those nuances, we will never reach the mythical world of Babylon.

Anyhow, I have lost my train of thought . Will come back and continue from where I left hopefully, lol.

posted March 28, 2023 01:56 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
http://oliverwillis.substack.com/p/the-nazi-forefather-of-fox-news-and

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Useful Stooges
Ideologically pure, historically ignorant: Oliver Willis

On Tuesday we met Oliver Willis, a commentator who started out working for lowlife Clinton agitprop merchant David Brock and who, since the turn of the century, has been a staggeringly prolific blogger and tweeter, not to mention an occasional contributor to one or another of the usual websites (Salon, HuffPo). Perhaps the most surprising thing about his work is that he is never, ever surprising. His opinions, if you can even call them that, are ready-made, pre-packaged. He actually appears to think that he’s thinking, but he’s just regurgitating. As we saw on Tuesday, he thinks that he’s whip-smart (and that everybody to his right is an idiot), but all that he seems to have between his ears is a library of left-wing platitudes and victim-group grievance rhetoric.