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Topic: The 2nd amendment and ICE
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BlueRoamer Knowflake Posts: 1504 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 18, 2025 08:08 PM
ICE agents wearing street clothes and masks, no badges, are randomly abducting people off the streets and shoving them into cars.Abductees and observers have no idea if these are agents are not, they do not present badges or any other form of identification. For all anyone knows they could be criminals abducting people for ransom. I IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 205866 From: I hold a Juris Doctorate (J.D.) and a Legum Magister (LL.M.)! Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 18, 2025 10:06 PM
At least get your Amendments correct. 🤦♀️ IP: Logged |
teasel Knowflake Posts: 31470 From: Here Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 18, 2025 10:44 PM
I've wondered when someone is going to be carrying, too. They've been breaking car windows to unlock doors, pushing their way into people's homes, when they aren't kidnapping people on the streets. IP: Logged |
teasel Knowflake Posts: 31470 From: Here Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 18, 2025 10:45 PM
quote: Originally posted by Randall: At least get your Amendments correct. 🤦♀️
I think Blue is referring to people having the right to carry guns, the right to defend themselves. IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 205866 From: I hold a Juris Doctorate (J.D.) and a Legum Magister (LL.M.)! Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 18, 2025 11:41 PM
They have arrest warrants. IP: Logged |
teasel Knowflake Posts: 31470 From: Here Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 18, 2025 11:45 PM
quote: Originally posted by Randall: They have arrest warrants.
No they don’t. They’re the ones who are illegal, and you are a person who usually defends the right to stand your ground, and use your guns. If someone attempts to kidnap someone who really believes in their 2a rights, what do you think is going to happen? IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 205866 From: I hold a Juris Doctorate (J.D.) and a Legum Magister (LL.M.)! Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 18, 2025 11:58 PM
In the examples you give, yes, they do. If ancillary arrests are made because illegal aliens are around those they have warrants for, they will also be arrested. Lawful arrests are not kidnapping, and no one is falling for that. If you are here illegally, you can be arrested, held, and deported. Period.IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 205866 From: I hold a Juris Doctorate (J.D.) and a Legum Magister (LL.M.)! Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 19, 2025 08:52 AM
quote: Originally posted by teasel: No they don’t. They’re the ones who are illegal, and you are a person who usually defends the right to stand your ground, and use your guns. If someone attempts to kidnap someone who really believes in their 2a rights, what do you think is going to happen?
You can't create a make-believe scenario not based on the actual facts of the legal definition for kidnapping and then ask "What do you think is going to happen?" IP: Logged |
teasel Knowflake Posts: 31470 From: Here Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 19, 2025 09:06 AM
quote: Originally posted by Randall: You can't create a make-believe scenario not based on the actual facts of the legal definition for kidnapping and then ask "What do you think is going to happen?"
Not make-believe. IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 205866 From: I hold a Juris Doctorate (J.D.) and a Legum Magister (LL.M.)! Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 19, 2025 09:07 AM
It is. it's all in your head because you believe your marching orders, as you always do.IP: Logged |
teasel Knowflake Posts: 31470 From: Here Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 19, 2025 09:41 AM
quote: Originally posted by Randall: It is. it's all in your head because you believe your marching orders, as you always do.
No it isn’t, and I don’t have marching orders. You do, and that’s to spread lies for your cult leader, and gaslight the rest of us. Or try to. The whole spiritual/wellness pipeline to alt-right, that’s been around for a while. IP: Logged |
teasel Knowflake Posts: 31470 From: Here Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 19, 2025 09:43 AM
The democrats who were assassinated last weekend, by a MAGA assassin, opened the door, because he was cosplaying a policeman. Not only are these supposed ICE agents not legal, they are cosplaying officers, and could end up paying the price from “the good guy with a gun”. IP: Logged |
BlueRoamer Knowflake Posts: 1504 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 19, 2025 04:56 PM
even if you have a warrant you need to show badge and uniform and the warrant2nd amendment will come into play soon You cant just shove people into vans and hope for the best Taco Trump is a weak president and will be defeated soon, due to his own incompetence and encroaching dementia
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Randall Webmaster Posts: 205866 From: I hold a Juris Doctorate (J.D.) and a Legum Magister (LL.M.)! Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 19, 2025 05:29 PM
They know they are in the country illegally. They should all expect to be arrested at any moment. ICE agents are law-enforcement. Cosplaying? F*ck around and find out. If you pull a gun on a federal agent, you won’t live to be deported. IP: Logged |
teasel Knowflake Posts: 31470 From: Here Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 19, 2025 09:37 PM
quote: Originally posted by Randall: They know they are in the country illegally. They should all expect to be arrested at any moment. ICE agents are law-enforcement. Cosplaying? F*ck around and find out. If you pull a gun on a federal agent, you won’t live to be deported.
You know that he’s right, and that you are wrong. IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 205866 From: I hold a Juris Doctorate (J.D.) and a Legum Magister (LL.M.)! Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 19, 2025 09:56 PM
Nope. If you don’t like the law, change it. Until then, things will continue to proceed as they are. IP: Logged |
teasel Knowflake Posts: 31470 From: Here Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 20, 2025 03:08 PM
Look who was uncovered as supposed member of the law. http://x.com/MIAagainstFash/status/1936096996311302313 UPDATE: It’s only getting worse for Miami ICE impersonator Rolando Lavielle. We’ve obtained his criminal record which includes felony convictions + domestic violence allegation last year — meaning all possession of firearms is illegal. He literally posted his crimes! 1/ IP: Logged |
teasel Knowflake Posts: 31470 From: Here Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 20, 2025 03:25 PM
Criminals cosplaying as ICE agents, to intimidate protesters. What if a “good guy with a gun” shot them? You would blame the democrat with a gun. IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 205866 From: I hold a Juris Doctorate (J.D.) and a Legum Magister (LL.M.)! Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 20, 2025 04:37 PM
So, now you’re pro-gun? 😂IP: Logged |
teasel Knowflake Posts: 31470 From: Here Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 21, 2025 11:02 AM
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Randall Webmaster Posts: 205866 From: I hold a Juris Doctorate (J.D.) and a Legum Magister (LL.M.)! Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 21, 2025 07:16 PM
I think you have trouble rationalizing concepts, and then you think you posted some kind of "gotcha" when, in fact, you make no sense. Owning a gun is a right. Being in this country illegally subjects you to arrest and deportation, as does impeding such an arrest or hiding an illegal alien. "Due process" only applies to legitimate asylum claims (which must be claimed upon entering the country--NOT WHEN YOU GET ARRESTED--and for which you will receive a court date in the future), not for breaking into our country. If you miss that court date, you can be deported. If you return to this country after being deported, that is a felony. IP: Logged |