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Belage2
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posted January 02, 2026 10:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So I asked AI, what's up with Nick Shirley uncovering daycare fraud in Minnesota?

AI answers that Shirley operated

outside traditional journalistic constraints, using emotionally charged confrontations and social media...

AI went on and on, basically slamming Shirley and painting him as a far right shill, vs mainstream media who AI said prioritizes accuracy, balance and legal responsibility.

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posted January 02, 2026 10:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So I asked AI, what are traditional journalistic constraints and how do journalists usually investigate fraud?

AI answers:

Traditional journalistic constraints include accuracy, fairness, objectivity, verification, legal compliance, and ethical responsibility. Journalists must verify facts, seek multiple sources, avoid bias, protect sources, and balance public interest with privacy and harm...


When investigating fraud, journalists typically:
- Gather documents (e.g., financial records, public filings)
- Use **Freedom of Information (FOI) requests**
- Interview whistleblowers, experts, and officials
- Cross-check data for inconsistencies
- Present findings only after **editorial review and legal vetting**

Unlike influencers, journalists avoid **premature conclusions** and **emotional framing**, prioritizing **evidence-based reporting** over virality.

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posted January 02, 2026 10:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I replied:

Don't journalists usually have to go personally to a location of a business to see if they are actually operating as they claim?

AI answers:


Journalists do not have a legal right to enter private property without permission, even for investigations. They can observe and report from public spaces, but visiting a business in person requires consent or legal authorization. If a business denies access, journalists must leave to avoid trespassing.

While in-person visits can support reporting, journalists typically rely on document review, interviews, data analysis, and official records to verify claims. They may conduct "tag-along" visits with authorities (e.g., health inspectors) when there's a clear public interest.

Unlike influencers who may film unannounced visits, professional journalists prioritize legal and ethical boundaries, avoiding confrontational tactics that could compromise accuracy or lead to liability.

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posted January 02, 2026 11:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My reply:

Shirley did not illegally break into a daycare facility. What is your point??? and how is a journalist supposed to investigate a daycare if he doesnt go there in person and knock on the door, which is exactly what Shirley did?

AI reply:

You're correct that Nick Shirley did not break into any daycare facility. However, multiple reports—including from CNN and USA Today—confirm that police escorted him from at least one location after trespassing complaints, and state inspectors found children present during official unannounced visits to the same centers he claimed were empty.

Journalists can knock on doors of businesses or private properties, but they must leave if denied access. While door-knocking is part of reporting, entering without permission or lingering after being told to leave constitutes trespassing. Shirley’s approach—filming confrontations, refusing to leave, and broadcasting unverified claims—differs from standard journalistic practice, which emphasizes verification, neutrality, and legal compliance.

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posted January 02, 2026 11:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My reply:

Did mainstream media ever even knocked on doors of those businesses to investigate before Shirley brought nationwide attention to them??

AI replied:


Yes, mainstream media had investigated Minnesota daycare fraud long before Nick Shirley.

The Minnesota Star Tribune and other local outlets covered fraud in state programs for over a decade, including:

A 2015 investigation into daycare overbilling
Extensive reporting on the Feeding Our Future scandal (which involved $246 million in funds, with $128 million linked to fraud)
Warnings as early as 2009 about weak oversight in state programs
While Shirley’s video brought national viral attention, the core issues were already known. The Star Tribune had published hundreds of stories on fraud in Medicaid, childcare, and nutrition programs, and had even exposed failures by state regulators and law enforcement.

Shirley’s contribution was amplifying the story through social media, but not uncovering it first.

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posted January 02, 2026 11:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok, then I asked:

so if these issues were already known, why were they were not publicized in larger media, and MORE IMPORTANTLY, WHY WERE THEY NOT FIXED?

AI reply (and I bolded the important parts)

The fraud issues were not widely publicized because early warnings were downplayed, legally blocked, or dismissed. State officials raised concerns as early as 2019, but faced lawsuits and accusations of racism from groups like Feeding Our Future when they tried to investigate. A Ramsey County judge ordered payments to continue, and federal agencies initially didn’t act.

As for why they weren’t fixed: a 2024 audit found the Minnesota Department of Education was “ill-prepared” for pandemic funding surges, feared legal backlash, and avoided scrutiny to prevent accusations of discrimination. This systemic hesitation allowed fraud to grow unchecked.

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posted January 02, 2026 11:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I love it when i get woke AI to finally admit the plain truth that we all know, instead of the BS propaganda it has been programmed to feed us. 😂😂😂

But seriously, if mainstream media did its effing job like it used to, we wouldn't need a provocateur Nick Shirley to step in as citizen journalist to bring us the stories mainstream media wouldn't touch with a six foot pole.

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posted January 02, 2026 06:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Excellent.

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