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Topic: Contemplating Suicide?
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Nephthys Knowflake Posts: 941 From: California Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 11, 2010 09:28 PM
Don't do it! The reason I am posting this, is because I have been here for ~10 years, and there have been many topics on suicide, and many topics and claims by knowflakes who are depressed. I have very recently experienced the 3rd suicide in my immediate community, and I want everyone who is depressed, and has ever contemplated suicide, to know, that you really have no idea how you affect an entire community, as well as your family, relatives, friends, & co-workers. Yes, the entire community is affected! People who don't even know you, are affected. People who don't even know you, feel bad for your family. People who don't even know you, possibly frequent the place where you took your life. People who don't even know you, have a feeling of sadness in their hearts and their souls, for your friends and family. People who don't even know you have to live with it too. No one ever said that life was going to be an easy walk in the park. Children are brought up under an illusion of colorful fairy tales with fluffy clouds and happy faces.....Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny.........then as they get older, the trials and tribulations of LIFE set in..........and teens and adults get overwhelmed by the pressures of society.......technology is racing towards everyone at lightening speed. It's hard to process everything while dealing with your own problems.......... But most of us believe, that we chose the circumstances of our lives, for learning. If you fall down, you have to get up again. We've all experienced terribly difficult things.......perspective is everything. Yes, there are terrible things going on in the world.....maybe we chose to incarnate at this particular time to help the world? Maybe we chose to incarnate not for ourselves, but to be of service to someone else, an individual or a group of people? Maybe we chose to incarnate to teach others how to be, or how not to be? Keep your hearts open and your heads high...... Everyone, and everything, on earth is evolving, both physically, and spiritually. How can you evolve spiritually, if life is just a piece of cake? What would be the point of anyone's existance? How could you appreciate happiness and joy, if you never understood pain and suffering? There is more I'd like to say, but will leave it at that for now........ Love and Help Each Other IP: Logged |
Eleanore Knowflake Posts: 112 From: Okinawa, Japan Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 11, 2010 09:48 PM
I just want to say thank you for this message, Nephthys. Times are rough for so many people right now, myself included. I'm not contemplating suicide, but I recognize that there are many people who are. I have no answers or wise words to share. It just seems necessary to remind others (and to be reminded) that there are people who care about you, whether or not you realize it. IP: Logged |
Nephthys Knowflake Posts: 941 From: California Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 11, 2010 10:09 PM
Thanks Eleanore, I also wanted to say, that, one of the biggest emotional stresses that humans experience, comes through relationships with others. Perhaps, we go through difficult relationships with family members, friends, partners, etc., to try and "get things right" this time around.....we are attempting to resolve karma from past lives. So if we can learn Forgiveness ~ forgiveness doesn't mean you have to agree with each other, it doesn't mean you have to hang out with the other person......it doesn't mean you have to hold on to them. We can forgive people and respect them enough to let them continue on their own chosen life path. We all have different paths which we are taking to reach the Top of the Mountain. We all chose different routes. Perhaps we are in a difficult relationship merely out of sacrifice to help the other person learn. Perhaps we chose to suffer pain for them, so they can learn through us! And don't be jealous of people who seem to have it better than you, or seem to have more things than you..........you don't know what is in another person's mind, or in their heart, or how hard they have worked for what they have. Perhaps in a past life, they had it very difficult, and chose an easier pathway in this life. You don't have to believe in reincarnation, you just have to accept my message that we are all different, and everyone has difficult things in their life, and if you just do the best you can, with the tools you currently have, you are really doing great!!! Someone who is successful, could have failed numerous times..........but perhaps, this person got up over, and over again, after having fallen...........and strived hard to achieve what he has. The only limitations we have, are those we place upon ourselves. IP: Logged |
Nephthys Knowflake Posts: 941 From: California Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 11, 2010 10:27 PM
No matter how sad you are feeling one day, or one night, a new day will always bring refreshment, release, and new possibilities ~ You will always feel better the next day ~ You are always much, much stronger, than you think you are ~ IP: Logged |
T Knowflake Posts: 10892 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 12, 2010 03:52 AM
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posted October 12, 2010 03:57 AM
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charmainec Moderator Posts: 8589 From: Venus next to Randall Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 12, 2010 04:27 AM
------------------ quote: "What lies behind us and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to what lies with in us." -- Ralph Waldo Emerson
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T Knowflake Posts: 10892 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 12, 2010 04:34 AM
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charmainec Moderator Posts: 8589 From: Venus next to Randall Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 12, 2010 07:24 AM
I can only speak for myself with regards to this topic. Suicide is contemplated when a person is in extreme emotional pain (in my case it was physical pain as well). When you feel absolutely helpless and can’t see yourself overcoming an obstacle especially when you have been struggling with something for a long time. My mind felt like it was in a rut and that got deeper and deeper. The feeling didn’t go away; I would still feel the same way the next day, realizing that I had to deal with the current situation I was in.I was so wrapped up in my own pain, the thought of how it would affect others did not occur to me at all. I was fortunate enough to have a good support system that didn’t judge me and accuse me of seeking attention. Sadly that is what some people see suicide as – a cry for attention (as in a threat but will not be acted out or manipulation) but it was much more that. It took months for me to overcome and with counseling, love and support as well as motivation from within myself I did overcome.
It doesn’t mean I was less of a person or just a lack of will. It’s something that can’t be explained unless experienced. ------------------ quote: "What lies behind us and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to what lies with in us." -- Ralph Waldo Emerson
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LEXX Knowflake Posts: 9743 From: Still out looking for Schrodinger's cat.......& LEXIGRAMMING.♥.. is my Passion! Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 12, 2010 09:05 AM
T I am not at my best so not up to saying more at this time.IP: Logged |
Nephthys Knowflake Posts: 941 From: California Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 12, 2010 11:17 AM
T,I wasn't born yesterday, and I do know of all the terrible things going on in the world. I have experienced a lot of hardships in life too, but just because I don't advertise those details here at LL doesn't mean I am not understanding or uncompassionate about how a suicidal person feels. I wrote this post trying to help, not looking for personal attack, criticism or arguement. I am sorry that it offended you and I wish you only the best. IP: Logged |
emitres Moderator Posts: 491 From: Registered: Aug 2010
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posted October 12, 2010 11:59 AM
this is such a sensitive subject it's impossible to not see both sides... and it's vital to realize that not one of us has all the answers... i agree with what everyone here wrote - nepthys, i have read enough of your posts to understand what a giving, sensitive heart you have...possibly, sometimes, to your own detriment those who daily "walk" that fine line between choosing life or choosing death have a burden that most people simply could not fathom... this is the stage of contemplation and, as my abnormal psych prof said, is the classic cry for help... the moment a choice has been made it's generally too late and all the signs of asking for help disappear... which is why it seems to come out of nowhere i think that the best any one of us can do is help as much as we can prior to... and if it wasn't enough to change the outcome, to do our best to understand with compassion ------------------ ...there is no "I"... IP: Logged |
AbsintheDragonfly Knowflake Posts: 2326 From: Gaia Registered: Apr 2010
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posted October 12, 2010 12:36 PM
------------------ We justify ourselves each time we take a breath... Me IP: Logged |
LEXX Knowflake Posts: 9743 From: Still out looking for Schrodinger's cat.......& LEXIGRAMMING.♥.. is my Passion! Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 12, 2010 12:59 PM
I do too well understand both sides. It is a hell on either side. I am struggling with other's suicidal thoughts and struggling with keeping my own at bay. It is beyond exhausting, especially when in constant physical pain/agony to boot, and quality of life having more woes than joys. Clinging to, savoring little joys, only makes the hellish feel worse by contrast at times when joys are few. And a new day does not "fix" it. T asked: quote: Just a simple change in perspective would do? Simply and easily move on and not sulk about it? Pick yourself up by your bootstraps and get over it?
No, it is never that simple, when in deepest turmoil and anguish...never. Too often it/things just get worse. And often it can be not wanting to burden anyone with extreme care giving and the financial costs of such burden. I would not let myself be too much of a burden, nor a financial hardship. I already know I am to a degree and it is very depressing. I cannot do things for myself that normal folks take for granted (bathing, god I miss real baths...and more not going to list) It is hard at times not to just give up. And I'd kill myself before being sent to a rest home. Poor folks get sent to hole in the wall horrible places, not fancy assisted living condos and resorts like the rich. And suicidal thoughts are not always a sane choice, but a chemical imbalance in the brain or body or both. It looks selfish from those left behind point of views. It feels selfish from the person who wants to commit suicide, because others are trying to guilt them into not doing it, in essence saying to the suicidal person's mind....do not do it because it will hurt "me/us". So both sides can appear selfish. PS.Nephthys I do understand your viewpoint too and am not offended. Both point of views are valid.
PPS. Often too, one really does not want to die, but just "go to sleep" or "go away" until the nightmare of their lives stops being a nightmare. I do not want to die but want things to get better and my quality of life to improve. But will it? And when? And will it last a reasonable time or be snatched away soon after as usual? On that note, not at my best...got to go. IP: Logged |
WinkAway Knowflake Posts: 1577 From: here, there & everywhere Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 12, 2010 01:02 PM
I don't think Nephthys meant any disrespect. It's just a terrible horrible experience for all involved. I'm sorry you are hurting Nephthys
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LEXX Knowflake Posts: 9743 From: Still out looking for Schrodinger's cat.......& LEXIGRAMMING.♥.. is my Passion! Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 12, 2010 01:35 PM
charmainec PS.Nephthys I do understand your viewpoint too and am NOT offended. Both point of views are valid. IP: Logged |
Nephthys Knowflake Posts: 941 From: California Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 12, 2010 02:07 PM
The body is just a physical shell, and the Soul is eternal ~ when you leave your body on the earth plane, you are left in the same emotional state ~ so your emotional problems and sadness will still be with you ~ Just b/c I didn't write a novel about all my feelings and thoughts on suicide doesn't mean I don't have any empathy for the suicidal victim. If you re-read the beginning of my post you will see that I am speaking out on the community that is affected............ I find it sad that I make a post about trying to help, and I am told not to judge whether someone should commit suicide or not.........but then I am judged, told I am being narrow-minded, unrealistic and Polly-ana-ish? How more close to home, do you want me to be to a suicide, than my next door neighbor? And another neighbor 6 houses down, the incident occurring at my local park that I go to every day that is 1 block away? Is that close enough for you to think I don't undersstand, T? I really wish everyone here at LL all the best, all good things to each and every One of you. Take care ~
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Nephthys Knowflake Posts: 941 From: California Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 12, 2010 02:55 PM
Ok, I just want to say, that I just this very moment learned of another suicide in my community, another teenager. So for everyone who thinks I do not understand, this is now the 4th in my immediate community. Is this enough for you to think that I don't understand? I have no more business to conduct here at LL. I'm tired of the judgers and the arguers. Peace Out ~ Take care everyone ~ IP: Logged |
LEXX Knowflake Posts: 9743 From: Still out looking for Schrodinger's cat.......& LEXIGRAMMING.♥.. is my Passion! Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 12, 2010 04:03 PM
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T Knowflake Posts: 10892 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 12, 2010 04:26 PM
Nephthys, I know you care and I know you didnt mean harm or insult by what you wrote! That's why i said I know you meant well. I understand where you are coming from too. I feel different in many ways about it and wasnt trying to personally attack you. The response was only personal in the way that I was replying to you and your thoughts on the subject. I'm sorry i got fired up about it. But I wasnt attacking you.I'm sorry you are hurting. I dont take offence to what you said, just feel strongly about the matter myself in a different way for personal reasons I won't share here. Can we not have different thoughts and just go about our way? I dont see a reason for you to leave over this? Peace IP: Logged |
Nephthys Knowflake Posts: 941 From: California Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 12, 2010 05:03 PM
quote: I dont want to sound like a b!tch but please dont be so narrowminded, unrealistic and Pollyanna-ish about this very serious issue.
This is not a personal attack? It's not healthy for me to be in a place where people can't share opinions and experiences without getting judged and personally attacked by others. Good Luck ~
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Randall Webmaster Posts: 43626 From: Saturn next to Charmainec Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 12, 2010 07:48 PM
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T Knowflake Posts: 10892 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 12, 2010 09:24 PM
Okay, Nephthys. Have a good break and good luck to you too.No, that wasnt an attack. I dont know how you see it as such either. Peace. IP: Logged |
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posted October 18, 2010 03:06 PM
Long afloat on shipless oceans I did all my best to smile 'Til your singing eyes and fingers Drew me loving to your isle And you sang Sail to me Sail to me Let me enfold you Here I am Here I am Waiting to hold youDid I dream you dreamed about me? Were you here when i was full sail Now my foolish boat is leaning Broken lovelorn on your rocks, For you sing, "Touch me not, touch me not, come back tomorrow: O my heart, O my heart shies from the sorrow" I am puzzled as the newborn child I am troubled at the tide: Should I stand amid the breakers? Should I lie with Death my bride? Hear me sing, "Swim to me, Swim to me, Let me enfold you: Here I am, Here I am, Waiting to hold you
by Tim Buckley http://www.astrotheme.com/portraits/65j8p463B732.htm http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMTEtDBHGY4 cover by John Frusciante http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFmd6OEnUSk cover by This Mortal Coil http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mUmdR69nbM IP: Logged |
pire Knowflake Posts: 2323 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 18, 2010 05:36 PM
may be we've all been used to too much ga-ga-goo-goo love and light nonsense that we don't accept what "normal" people (by normal I mean who don't receive support from an enlightened online community) accept on their everyday life. here I talk about other's reactions to our own point of view.my libra moon helps me see what's going on here but for respect for the 2 offended, I won't share my impressions. however, to talk about a personal experience of suicidal thoughts, I must say I'm over it now, but it took 4 years to come to that place, basically when I joined lindaland I was at my lowest.I haven't advertised it either. but I could have. my reasons are personal and I won't share it with strangers on the net. in a nutshell though, I think I would have prefered to escape than be rejected until I understood it is everyone's right to reject me and my duty to accept it. I shared my attempt to only 3 persons so far, well at least until tonight. my mum is one of them and she was informed a year later. and two friends also know but they knew afterwards, I mean after the rope didn't hold my weight! I'm an amateur but if it had worked you wouldn't have known here. it wasn't because of some relationship break up, it was a very deep "calling" now I'm joking about it but I am very serious about life and death issues. anyways, I understand nepthys point of view because I haven't tried again cause the fact it didn't work was for me a sign that it wasn't right for me to go at this time. THEY didn't want me but I also realised that to my sisters especially it would be some karmic crisis that I would create for them... so yeah no suicide because of them. I think nepthys is right all the way with her argument against suicide. this is in fact the main one as far as I am concerned, and if someone is able to live with the consequences of this choices, i.e. the pain inflicted to family members, then sure go all the way and do it. I'm not personnally against suicide, I think it's a brave thing. in fact I don't think much about it. cause if I think aobout it or not, will it change anything for anyone ... else but me? on that note, I wish you a happy death and long and happy life, and just a long life if not happy. IP: Logged | |