posted August 14, 2004 11:06 AM           

Make sure to call him often and make plans only with him, he can be jealous so don't mention other men or look at them when you go out.

If you don't spend a lot of time together, he will take it personally.

posted August 14, 2004 12:19 PM           

What this mean is cardinal signs are poor losers, but Caps are the poorest, sorest losers of them all (losing often makes them exceptionally depressed, more so than usual, and their earthy gravity will pull everything and everyone within a five mile radius down with them). This is why they tend to be more cautious in romance than other cardinal signs - I suspect that a Cap coined the phrase "All fair in love and war" cos Caps tend not to see much difference betwe the two, and will do anything to keep from losing.

posted August 14, 2004 03:15 PM           

Venus in Aqua is distant up to a point, then it's like a takeover, you are taken and that's it. If you resist in the slightest you run the risk of an argument that can't be won. So when he asks you out on a weekend, then be prepared to become girlfriend material. Act aware, and look grateful.

Yes do cater to him, and cook for him as often as possible. If you "don't cook" he's not interested.

Once a Venus in Aqua does make up his mind, he is lovable and sentimental all over you, it's just that this placement is shy because obviously that treatment scares women off. So when he does show his soft side, don't walk away from it, hug him and don't move away and he'll feel secure.

And don't forget to compliment him often on his looks, Venus in Aqua is very insecure about the body, and he may be in weight training, he may get heavy easily and feels unattractive around the opposite sex. He thinks of himself as doormat so don't be pushy, let him do everything, and compliment often.

I found this to be too much work for me, I forgot to reassure, I don't cook and I forgot to call on the weekends. I always expected him to make the moves since he was so bossy personally. But romantically mine would hold back and when he didn't hear from me for a few weeks he found someone else. Caps move fast, be prepared to give an answer yes or not.

The good thing is that a Cap may move fast, he doesn't expect you to get physical fast. So you can be girlfriend material for months before you are expected to "put out" unlike with other signs.

Not a bad sign, just be sure to give him equal time. I find Caps with Venus in Aqua to be really fun, more brainy than other men, and if you don't worry and let yourself go with his flow, you can learn so much. Trust is important, and hand holding is very big. Be sure to initiate hand holding at some point.

posted August 14, 2004 03:24 PM           

One thing about Venus in Aqua, this placement has a long memory, and there can be tendency to have bad luck with women, or the mother figure. Chances are his last girlfriend hurt him deeply and he is still getting over it. A Pisces might become bisexual, a Cap will pick another girl similar to the last and try and make it work.

This placement, straight or gay, likes very feminine women, who wear make-up and are very girly, he likes men to be masculine and idealizes masculine men who do not cry or act wimpy.

What I noticed is that Venus in Aqua does not like to give sympathy to others when he is acting macho, but he does like sympathy directed at himself, so don't get tough on him. Meet his Mom and feed him milk and cookies, but don't try to compete with him in sports. Ask about his work but don't ask about money.

Natasha

posted August 14, 2004 03:24 PM           

And yes he changes his hair all the time and has just started to get into weight training( you are incredible!)

posted August 14, 2004 04:28 PM           

Well best of luck to you. I personally never knew a Cap man that didn't screw me over royally (as well as a few Cap women who did the same; although I will say that most Cap women I've known have been respectful individuals). I've never known a Cap man that had what I'd consider a nice sense of humor either - I tend find Cap men's humor unusually mean, a tad too psychotic (like Jim Carrey) and too often at someone else's expense, and my Pisces moon can't handle that.

I've never dated one, but had one pursue me - intensely. He would proclaim to people that he wanted me to be his girlfriend (note the possesiveness of that - he didn't say he wanted to be my boyfriend) - usually when I was present, like he was trying too hard to play like he didn't care I wasn't attracted to him. Then he offered to fix some musical equipment for me for free, and instead held the equip hostage in order to maintain a "friendship" with me. After 9 months, I had to go to his house and remove my equip myself, with him protesting in fury on his front lawn. When I got home, I discovered he had damaged one of the pieces beyond repair. Wonderful guy.

A past friend had a Cap ex-husband who had been a sweeite until they got married; then his personality shifted. He became emotionally cold and become obsessed with his career. He resented my friend's desire to get a master's degree, and even prevented her from doing so, because he thought her place was at home, catering to him of course. He would berate her and verbally abuse her, especially after a bad day at work. Once, when they were on vacation, my friend discovered she was pregnant when she started to have a miscarriage. Her ex laughed that she was making too big of a deal of it, and refused to help her get to the hospital because he had an tennis match scheduled with a client. She ended up going to the hospital alone, taking a cab, and had her miscarriage. Later on he yelled at her about the hospital bills, saying that she could've "just flushed it down the toilet." After she divorced him, she swore off men and ended up getting a PH.D.

posted August 14, 2004 04:35 PM           

Venus in Aqua is a little dry but caring, underneath, I am grateful for my friends with this placement but I usually do not dress up as much as I could, and so I think that's why I haven't attracted Venus in Aqua in a while. I love Venus in Aqua, but it's either intensely physical or all about friendship, no in between for me. And I need more of a mellow vibe.

Some men are really uncomfortable with hugs, maybe a quick peck on the check would be romantic but playful?

posted August 14, 2004 04:48 PM           

Last time I saw him I kissed him goodbye on the cheek and he got formal on me! I hated that, "it was nice to meet you" we've known each other for a few weeks and all I get when I leave town is "it was nice to meet you??) I was thinking yikes he's cap formal, so there goes my chance of romance..!

posted August 14, 2004 05:19 PM         

That was a great analysis of Venus in Aqua. You pretty much hit the nail on the head. My Bro is a Sag Sun / Scorp Moon / Pisces rising - with his Venus in Aqua (Mars in Aries).

He does get on his wife's case a bit because she doesn't like to be "girly" enough. He doesn't really care all that much for the make up thing, but he does appreciate a woman that does her hair...etc...mainly because we had a Leo granny that lived with us and she was ALWAYS dressed nice, had her hair done and always had a least lipstick on..

He also has a difficult relationship with my mom and had a bit of a troubled past getting his heart broken by a Pisces young lady. It's funny, because he is very attractive - my friends always thought he was hot (like some peeps here), but he still needs to be reassured. ( I kind of think most men are like this as my Taurus seems to primp and love compliments - as long as they are not gushy).

My brother is very sport and is into borderline extreme sports. His wife participates well (she is a Scorp with an Aqua moon and also has Mars in Aries - Venus in Sag - Scorp rising). Even though she is not a total foo foo, she is still very pretty and they make a great match.

Thanks for the info.

As for Cappy men. I get along great with my Cappy dad and I also enjoy friendships with Cappy men. As far as relationships - I haven't really had any with one.

posted August 14, 2004 05:26 PM           

Speaking of hottness! Pids family is overflowing with it!

posted August 15, 2004 05:16 AM           

My 8th house moon likes the sports minded part of Venus in Aqua, you are lucky to have a brother with a Scorpio Moon too. I would have loved to have a) a brother into sports instead of sister into playing beauty queen, and b) a brother with a Scorpio moon and Aqua Venus!

He must have been a lot of fun to talk to. My best friend before I got married had those placements and a Pisces Sun. He gave me a lift in business and we talked all the time. He didn't like my ex at all, and told me I was looking for a father figure in him but I would be unhappy.

Scorpio moons are very supportive, and I loved sports growing up in a household that was all beauty queens.

I don't mind macho men except that, I find the looking good act, kind of hard to mix with being good at sports. The Cap I was dating said something about my butt being too big which I took too seriously. Personally I never go around making personal comments no matter who I am talking to, especially when it's not true. He wasn't very good at teasing, if I teased him he would sulk for days. Now I don't tease men at all, unless I'm talking to an Aqua or Gemini Sun.

The Cap I was dating also could not express himself, instead of mailing a birthday card to me, he send me a business card with happy birthday on the back. I thought that was pretty cautious, I at least had given him a present and called on his birthday. My 8th house moon doesn't forget and stops feelings cold when I am not respected.

posted August 15, 2004 12:41 PM         

Natasha,

Yeah, my brother is my best buddy. It's funny because our charts really do indicate a great friendship. His rising is Pisces and mine is Virgo. From the moment he was born we had this connection. We used to sit around and play cards - where I would hold the card and he would guess it and vice versa. My mom freaked (because we were usually 99% right) and said we were playing with the devils magic. LOL...

Growing up we played tons of sports - both of us being Saggies and my Venus in Sag complimenting his Sun / Venus and Mars - Aries) and my moon being in Aries automatically understood his nature. He is more than a brother and as kids he almost felt like my own kid because I really took him under my wing. I would beat up the kids that would pick on him. LOL...Aries moon hee hee

We would get into all sorts of weird trouble. Trying to cook cactus at Apache Lake...playing hide and seek in the cemetary across from my abuela's house...and we had our own imagination games - like Special Agents. I still have our "badges" that I made for us to carry in our wallets.

Of course, when I was going through my teenage years and our parents divorced - it really put us through alot. I wanted to live with my dad and my bro wanted to protect my mom. His Scorp moon wasn't all that forgiving on that part. It is very sad to see a wounded Sag with a Scorp moon because they really just clam up and the pain just kind of oozes out. Luckily he had my Leo granny there.

But through it all..the real anchor in the storm was my dad. Even though if I had not been my father, he would NEVER be the kind of man I would date, he cared so much and my bro and I. We never went without seeing him (well I did for almost two years when I hated him, but that is another story). As a mate, he used to be a womanizer and is very, very picky about body types. If my bro and I gained a pound, he would let us know. Our hardest times spent was during puberty - Dad couldn't stand the weight gains - but all in all, my Brother turned out to be a hunk - even if he does get love handles..Hell...we have German blood, we are not made to be waifs

All in All...I do think Cappy men are hard to "date" but they do make very wonderful fathers and they also have a major loyalty to their mothers. My dad is always helping out my abuela and holding the family together. I couldn't ask for a better dad - but I wouldn't want that for a married life.