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Topic: Profound...just read it
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FrozenQueen Newflake Posts: From: Registered:
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posted November 14, 2010 04:52 PM
From Atlas shrugged by Ayn Rand Francisco D'Anconia's speech to Hank Rearden quote: “Do you remember what I said about money and about the men who seek to reverse the law of cause and effect? The men who try to replace the mind by seizing the products of the mind? Well, the man who despises himself tries to gain self- esteem from sexual adventures–which can’t be done, because sex is not the cause, but an effect and an expression of a man’s sense of his own value.”“You’d better explain that.” “Did it ever occur to you that it’s the same issue? The men who think that wealth comes from the material resources and has no intellectual root or meaning, are the men who think–for the same reason–that sex is a physical capacity which functions independently of ones mind, choice or code of values. They think that your body creates a desire and makes a choice for you just about in some such way as if iron ore transformed itself into railroad rails of its own volition. Love is blind, they say; sex is impervious to reason and mocks the power of all philosophers. But, in fact, a man’s sexual choice is the result and the sum of his fundamental convictions. Tell me what a man finds sexually attractive and I will tell you his entire philosophy on life. Show me the woman he sleeps with and I will tell you his valuation of himself. No matter what corruption he’s taught about the virtue of selflessness, sex is the most profoundly selfish of all acts, an act which he cannot perform for any motive but his own enjoyment–just try to think of performing it in a spirit of selfless charity!–an act which is not possible in self-abasement, only in self-exaltation, only in confidence of being desired and being worthy of desire. It is an act that forces him to stand naked in spirit, as well as in body, and to accept his real ego as his standard of value. He will always be attracted to the woman who reflects his deepest vision of himself, the woman whose surrender permits him to experience–or to fake–a sense of self-esteem. The man who is proudly certain of his own value, will want the highest type of woman he can find, the woman he admires, the strongest, the hardest to conquer — because only the possession of a heroine will give him the sense of an achievement, not the possession of a brainless s|ut . He does not seek to . . . what’s the matter?” he asked, seeing the look on Rearden’s face, a look of intensity much beyond mere interest in an abstract discussion. “He does not seek to gain his value, he seeks to express it. There is no conflict between the standards of his mind and the desires of his body. But the man who is convinced of his own worthlessness will be drawn to a woman he despises–because she will reflect his own secret self, she will release him from that objective reality in which he is a fraud, she will give him a momentary illusion of his own value and a momentary escape from the morel code that damns him. Observe the ugly mess which most men make of their sex lives–and observe the mess of contradictions which they hold as their moral philosophy. One proceeds from the other. Love is our response to our highest values–and can be nothing else. Let a man corrupt his values and his view of existence, let him profess that love is not self-enjoyment but self-denial, that virtue consists, not of pride, but of pity or pain or weakness or sacrifice, that the noblest love is born, not of admiration, but of charity, not in response to values, but in response to flaws–and he will have cut himself in two. His body will not obey him, it will not respond, it will make him impotent toward the woman he professes to love and draw him to the lowest type of wh0re he can find. His body will always follow the ultimate logic of his deepest convictions; if he believes that flaws are values, he has damned existence as evil and only the evil will attract him. He has damned himself and he will feel that depravity is all he is worthy of enjoying. He has equated virtue with pain and he will feel that vice is the only realm of pleasure. Then he will scream that his body has vicious desires of its own which his mind cannot conquer, that sex is sin, that true love is a pure emotion of the spirit. And then he will wonder why love brings him nothing but boredom, and sex–nothing but shame.”
All I can say is...nothing ------------------ अस्तो मा सद् गमय | तमसो मा ज्योतिर्गमय | मृत्योन् मा अमृतं गमय् || ॐ शांति शांति शांति From the unreal, lead me to the real, From the darkness, lead me to light, From death and destruction, lead me to immortality. Peace. Peace. Peace. ♥ IP: Logged |
PlutoSquared Moderator Posts: 4334 From: Mars Registered: Aug 2010
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posted November 14, 2010 05:21 PM
I NEED to read this when I have more time... I fully agree with the text in bold at the top... very good quote...IP: Logged |
SunChild Moderator Posts: 2274 From: Australia Registered: Apr 2009
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posted November 14, 2010 06:54 PM
Excellent frozenqueen. Thankyou. IP: Logged |
PlutoSquared Moderator Posts: 4334 From: Mars Registered: Aug 2010
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posted November 15, 2010 10:26 AM
Very good. Thank you for the excerpt.IP: Logged |
LEXX Moderator Posts: 6095 From: Still out looking for Schrodinger's cat.......& LEXIGRAMMING.♥.. is my Passion! Registered: Apr 2009
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posted November 15, 2010 05:45 PM
Yes..... this is imperative that the lovers are of like minds.... know and love thyself, be true to thyself, and true love and passion will follow and be mutually expressed without reservation.------------------ Everyone is a teacher... Everyone is a student... Learning is eternal...LEXX ~Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known. ~Carl Sagan }><}}(*>♥<*){{><{ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ IP: Logged |
omnimatty Knowflake Posts: 55 From: south nyack, ny usa Registered: Oct 2010
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posted February 15, 2011 08:37 AM
Wait, who is John Galt? Great reminder of a great book thanks!IP: Logged |
charmainec Moderator Posts: 2371 From: on the other side of the rainbow Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 16, 2011 04:00 AM
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rajji Knowflake Posts: 659 From: Registered: Jan 2011
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posted February 16, 2011 11:02 PM
Wonderful! Sex is divine by all means!IP: Logged |
Steam Knowflake Posts: 63 From: US Registered: Nov 2010
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posted February 16, 2011 11:17 PM
I love it. BUT...I've had this argument on another forum where guys were talking about having sex with strippers/prostitutes was the best thing. They think these women are hotter than 'normal' women even if the normal women are hot, we require too much effort therefore not worth it.Even married guys chimed in to agree with that assessment. *sigh* It shows you the lack of integrity and shallowness that pervades society. Men now seem so bitter. Their biggest point is they have to pay for women (whether it's a girlfriend/wife/stripper so why not get the 'hottest'. I really don't know how to answer that as they throw out things like intelligence, integrity. IP: Logged |
EverEvolvingSpirit Knowflake Posts: 954 From: A Place of Pure Love <3 Registered: Feb 2011
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posted February 17, 2011 05:03 PM
Veri interesting read IP: Logged |
saronna Knowflake Posts: 249 From: Australia Registered: Jan 2010
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posted May 12, 2011 12:18 AM
If strippers, prostitutes are the hottest thing why don't men marry them and why do men marry thier wives who are not strippers or prostitutes.IP: Logged |
Frozen Queen Moderator Posts: 293 From: 11th Dimension Registered: Dec 2010
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posted May 12, 2011 05:55 AM
Sex is good, it is one of the ways to express a profound bond but sex cannot replace love. One cannot fill the void of love with sex no matter how "hot" of "kinky" it is.Similarly, you cannot replace sex between two people who love each other and care for each other with any one night stand regardless of how "proficient" your partner. ------------------ Ask Me anything. Anything. I will contrive to bring you the answer. The whole universe will I use to do this. So be on the lookout. This book is far from My only tool. You may ask a question, then put this book down. But watch. Listen. The words to the next song you hear. The information in the next article you read. The story line of the next movie you watch. The chance utterance of the next person you meet. Or the whisper of the next river, the next ocean, the next breeze that caresses your ear—all these devices are Mine; all these avenues are open to Me. I will speak to you if you will listen. I will come to you if you will invite Me. I will show you then that I have always been there. All ways. ♥ IP: Logged | |