posted November 25, 2010 04:11 PM              

Although the banner is in terms of intimacy etc the true nature of the forum I believe is Capricorn/10th house issues. But I'm not talking about career, I'm talking about the motivation and the issues driving the 10th desire for approval and recognition.

What do others feel?

People seem to think that anything that has sex involved is 8th house. I think where the confusion lies is that the original 8th house themes have then traversed through the 9th for seeking answers in response to these themes and then into the 10th.

Perversion, abuse, suicide ideation, the social stigma/reputation and repercussions, the issues with sharing with intimacy.

Continuing: the extreme sensitivity to how others see them; the impact of parental/authoritarian power, the imbalances in power; the requirement to surmount difficulties; to get around obstacles; the judgement and condemning by others; the respectability of relationships; the pressure of social propriety; acceptance by the public.

Never being good enough; the drive for approval; being misunderstood; maintaining connections between members of a society; the desire to actualise a position of power and autonomy; to reclaim personal power that has been witheld or taken.

Seeking information on how to improve their sexual status/power in a relationship or in aquiring desired elements; or to 'get' someone.

And this is also the reason why it has resulted in difficulty. Probably the main contributers are heavily Capricorn influenced. Capricorn, is not a 'popular' sign, and I don't mean to insult Capricorns. It's not that people don't like them; it is because Capricorns stir something uncomfortable in others and people tend to try and ignore them or steer clear. Though generally liked to some degree - many people instinctively keep a bit of distance and the Capricorn influenced are often loners.

Essentially, the resentment by Capricorns will surface at times in outrageous offloading behaviours which doesn't really help their popularity. People get creeped out.

They are not typical in their ideas of love, duty and social position and that is why they are often considered 'odd' or out of place within their colleagues and people around them.

They are inclined to excite opposition; their home, family life and childhood are often troubled. They frequently feel lonely hearted and misunderstood.

They have a drive for security and are interested in the feelings and concerns of others. They like to lead in whatever they are engaged and they find it difficult to forgive anyone who belittles them or slights them. Fear is at the root of all Capricorn troubles. So necessarily, this will hit severely in issues that require closeness, intimacy, sharing.

posted November 25, 2010 06:41 PM              

A forum with those themes that you mention would have a different content - each of those themes in the context of this forum have a decided twist.

death: becomes suicide, or even potential murder maybe rather than close brush with death, experiences of surgery, inheritances etc.

sex topics become abuse, perversion, pursuit of intimate knowledge of others into overdrive, rather than raw seduction, charisma, pulling people through animal magnetism, psychological receptivity and curiosity.

regeneration is of the en masse, 'societal' regeneration of the forum land/audience/members.

intimacy was supposed to be about adult physical intimacy but it seems the emphasis lacks warmth and closeness and generally creates coldness, distance and aversion.

8th house themes supposedly of this forum include depression - that is Saturn. The crises of the 8th house are experienced differently - the twist to the themes in this forum tend towards life long crisis; to social stigma; to restrictions based on hurts and wrongs.

I understand how the forum was initiated under Scorpio. I wonder if there is a significance of the fact that Pluto is in early Capricorn and the issues have been coming to a head since Pluto moved into Capricorn. Was the message board significantly affected from January 2008 when Pluto first moved into Capricorn I wonder.

I think the Scorpio connection is valid but it doesn't seem pure to the 8th house connotations.

The forum seems to be a compendium of the Capricorn influenced/Satyr responses to an 8th house generalised arena. It exemplifies the importance of rulerships. The 8th house is being used as a tool to serve Capricorn orientations/motivations and with Saturn in Libra - the sexual intimacy is about getting someone else to toe the line in an attempt to fulfill a big hole.

According to March & McEvers (1976), the last time Pluto was in Capricorn was from 1762-1778. This was the time of the American Declaration of Independence, the Boston tea Party, Watt's invention on the steam engine and the reign of Louis XVI and Marie Antionette. The industrial revolution was also in full swing. Apparently the rigidity of governments led to rebellions and uprisings.

In Australia, this was the time when Captain Cook discovered the continent (despite earlier discoveries).

Pluto in Capricorn would give rise to changes in how things are governed. There has been a lot of moderator dramas, 'uprisings', etc in response to these things.

posted November 25, 2010 09:13 PM              

Depression, suicide, perversion, childhood abuse are often the basis of mental illness. Perhaps Capricorn attempts to deal with dysfunction so as to maintain the person's connection to society. If they don't succeed, the person continues on to the imprisonment in the 12th ie. asylums, hospitals, gaols.

I noticed how Randall was wondering about a charity at this time too. He suggested abused children, AG suggested orphans - all pointing towards 12th house dimensions. Is this their attempt to right the wrongs of not being able to divert the person from the 12th house?. Society's outcasts are in the 12th, Capricorn is often about maintaining societal structure and organisation.

8th house is shared resources and regeneration. Has there been an attempt by the Capricorn influenced to go out on a limb, in order to connect with the trauma of those heading for 12th house (trauma stemming from the psychological disturbances and hidden aspects ensuing from 8th house gone 'wrong')? Is it a bid for ultimate acceptance for Capricorn themselves? Is it also a manoeuvre to restructure the authority and the social fabric of a community?

Is it..., ha no I am done with the rhetorical...

well until next time Gotham City - same bat time, same bat channel.

posted November 26, 2010 01:18 AM              

Lastly, the 10th house is about place in society, social stigma, social status, what people recognise you for. It just so happens that career will exemplify these themes as well. So perhaps career is not exactly the be all of the 10th but generally how the deeper themes play out. And certainly I think we have some career issues, and leadership bids taking place.

I am not saying that there is nothing 8th house about it. What I am saying is 8th house is serving 10th house, and the Capricorn influenced responses to 8th house issues.

'pluto in the service of capricorn'

That is why there are also issues with the powers of the moderation and what is being allowed and disallowed.

and to 'T' - firstly, I thought you were leaving, did I miss something?

Capricorn influenced, so this would mean capricorn risers and people with strong 10th houses too, if you know what I mean.

I agree with you about taboo and the 8th house but depression and suicide or people outwardly running their sexual rampancy to bring it on is hardly taboo - just sad ie. saturn.

You say you have a packed 8th house and nothing is taboo to you T, this doesn't exactly correlate with many of your previous posts prior to the new forum, I don't believe.

Taboo sexually is often about male homosexual prostitution, minors getting married. Other taboos for 8th house might be allowing only the males in the family the inheritance; or other gender issues like women being able to ask the guy on a date or to marry. Basically you're going to get gender issues after the attempt at balance between opposing sides/energies sexes blows out and needs to be reassessed or when gender roles/partnerships do not serve the sexual and regeneration needs of the 8th.

After an initial attempt to seek answers to the big questions of why things are the way they are in the 8th house dimension through the 9th house searching for meaning the results of the wrangling of such will be seen in the 10th.

But have your opinions, I can't help but debate - another 8th house orientation that I think may have turned up for where one 'shines' in their chart.

I'm not feeling like I'm shining here though - hmm, might be that Sun conjunct pluto is also conjunct Uranus and sextile Neptune. Ok, new interpretation, I'm not 'shining' exactly, I'm sort of emanating a psychedelic kind of pulsing multicolour.

*bows* is that my final curtain?

Damn it, I was only talking of it today to a fellow dislikee of butt kissing, and the verdict we both knowingly sort of nodded over and 'ayed' was the fact that you get diddly squat no where unless you can alternate sufficient politically correct posturing and appropriate a*rse kissing. If you throw a tantrum, all is forgiven if you sufficiently lie through your teeth and sort of sooky up like a little baby gooby wooby.

*Feels large axe looming*. I really like the font here though, and the large and uncluttered screen and it all kind of heralds back to plain sort of homey things with a touch of the best of the 70's - and I like the instantaneous quality of it, and easy readishness.

I don't like at all that we are really only here on like an ever probational privelege. And the idea that it is compared to someone's actual home or living room, eww. And I feel a little pukey with all the familyish mwahs being bandied about and the subtle and not too subtle pressure to become part of a sickening display of codependence - especially when there are people of integrity getting caught up in utter manipulative BS.

I don't do cliques very well - *shrugs* sorry, I treasure my own opinion, albeit a little too much, I agree, but there you have it - I don't like living by someone else's standards.

posted November 26, 2010 01:26 AM            

i'm not trying to deride your opinion, i'm just letting you know that i know all about the 8th because it rules my life so much. i said "trust me" because it seemed you had the idea of what the 8th house is all about a little off

posted November 26, 2010 01:32 AM            

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and to 'T' - firstly, I thought you were leaving, did I miss something?

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posted November 26, 2010 01:36 AM            

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You say you have a packed 8th house and nothing is taboo to you T, this doesn't exactly correlate with many of your previous posts prior to the new forum, I don't believe

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posted November 26, 2010 01:42 AM            

And T, if you still wish to be banned, I found a way to do so. I just need your LL registered e-mail address. Hit me back with it.

posted November 26, 2010 04:49 AM              

No, don't worry I already know the answer.

It's not the belonging, its the codependency and blurky manipulation - don't you prefer individualism and people who speak their own mind. Oh to hell with it, go and take another bubble bath or whatever you suggest you do.

I was very sorry to see a few authentic young people be put down, jostled around and no doubt manipulated by bogus users in exterior messaging venues.

I feel sorry in many ways for being such a firebrand re: issues voiced in 'What do you stand for" - Randall, I understand this is your site I don't want to be offensive but I just can't be part of a code of silence when there is injustice.

Where is the justice in the 'flamers', pseudos usually, fighting against their own pseudos and supported by their own pseudos as well. Then one of the 'outraged' pseudos brandishing a do gooding wand will very generously message innocent bystanders and lead the witnesses. And so we go on ad infinitum.

I guess I'm not being fair - I just like the nice things about the site but am disappointed by the histrionics and the injustice of what is allowed and what isn't.

And yes, I am a Virgo!

posted November 26, 2010 05:48 AM              

Um well, my answer here, and gosh I am so disrespectful and wrong in speaking up for injustice aren't I - hmm, yes my answer, flaming as you are certainly aware, is for the hell of it - a bit of troublemaking fun.

This is in no way my motivation. If I sound like I am inciting feeling, that is because I am. I feel sorry to see people manipulated. Sure, I'm sarcastic, but this is perfectly reasonable, I think, given the nature of the responses.

It's such a good ploy to seem reasonable, level headed and brandy about 'decent' sentiments. Appealing to the traumatised audience.

Sorry, I don't have the patience for deceit. A clear conscience is so empowering - try it.

posted November 26, 2010 06:04 AM              

And very often they will try to reword what someone has said, or pick something to serve a purpose, and then couple it with ideas that appeal to rational, loving and tolerant sentiment.

In this way people can't dispute it and the devious, selfish, and sad individual continues on their merry way to wreak havoc the next day.

The essential detail that you are glossing over is motivation. I may not be well liked but I do value my integrity and honesty - but what am I saying - you already know that!