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posted February 08, 2011 07:08 PM            

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All of us take on each of those roles at different times and under different curcumstances, but do you primarily consider yourself a leader or a follower?

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posted February 08, 2011 07:09 PM            

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Leader.

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posted February 08, 2011 09:07 PM            

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On the home front, or anything home/family related, I think I'm more of a leader. In public, I'm more a follower than a leader... and I'll only play the leader in public when no one wants to take the job. I have a stellium in the Northern hemisphere of course.

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posted February 08, 2011 09:10 PM            

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I have never been able to succumb to a group---Pluto conjunct the MC/Scorpio ASC.
I have put up with a lot from people I "love" i,e mother and husband.
However,I find it abhorrent to be made a sheep in a group.
I know too much ,I suppose. I KNOW what is happening and thus I cannot do it lol

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posted February 08, 2011 10:14 PM            

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Leader if need be, I would step up....
however Loner/recluse by choice.
Not a follower.

Reminds me of this quote

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posted February 08, 2011 10:23 PM            

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Mercury Trine Pluto makes me an independent thinker who does not follow the crowd. Moon Trine Pluto makes me able to make decisions without feeling the need to satisfy the opinions of the crowd and unaffected by rules, regulations, dogma, and rhetoric. Maybe these two placements in particular lend me the capacity for leadership. Or perhaps it's in conjunction (pun intended) with other chart placements. All I know is that I have always blazed my own trail. Following has never been my strong suit.

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posted February 08, 2011 10:47 PM            

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In my family life, a leader, not by choice but at least I know I can be trusted. Friends, a bit of both.
Was a major follower during the school years.

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posted February 09, 2011 01:17 AM            

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It depends.

I don't really like to do either, but if I have to lead I will.

I like to hide behind the scenes. I like to lead through someone else. I come up with the ideas, they do it and get other people to do it. Therefore I don't get all the blame if stuff goes wrong. How Scorpio of me.

I can't follow at all unless I find something resonated within me regarding what I want to follow.

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posted February 09, 2011 01:37 AM            

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"I can't follow at all unless I find something resonated within me regarding what I want to follow"

If you learn how to follow your own inner flame, most of the outside influences will seem small in comparison, So that is a greater of the two.

If you learn how to do it, while not stepping on another persons free will, you will never have to fear retaliation.

People hate the nasty, I think you would agree, Although in theory, The nasty must be calculated as it is a basic of human design/nature.

Nasty does not stand for sex in this example

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posted February 09, 2011 06:52 PM            

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I am LEXX's response.

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posted February 09, 2011 09:26 PM            

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I am NOT a follower.

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posted February 09, 2011 10:06 PM            

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I'm a leader.

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posted February 10, 2011 03:47 AM            

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You notice no one says they are a follower.
I think people do not face the truth about themselves.
I am not pointing fingers at anyone.
I am just saying that we ALL,as humans, deceive ourselves .
*I* am at the top of the line with self deception so I am not saying this from any kind of a higher vantage point---just a general observation about human nature

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posted February 10, 2011 08:38 AM            

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I can be a leader in some situations and a follower ,in others.
Randall said this is true for all of us.

THIS is what I think makes a leader.Someone who can go against the crowd when there will be rejection ,shunning and isolation.

Also, the person must have enough sense of self that others trying to throw shame,hatred etc on them will not sway them from their stance.
Being a leader goes against human nature in the sense that we all want to belong and be liked.
One has to stand on a higher principle than his human nature would dictate in order to be a leader.
I suppose this is character when done with good motivations and a pure heart.

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posted February 10, 2011 10:48 AM            

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I'm not a leader, so that makes me a follower.
Buth i'm a individualist. I'll not follow in the blind. I can follow a while and than suddenly stop. Very stubborn hands folded over each other. Saying no.

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posted February 10, 2011 11:05 AM            

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You notice no one says they are a follower.
I think people do not face the truth about themselves.
I am not pointing fingers at anyone.
I am just saying that we ALL,as humans, deceive ourselves .
*I* am at the top of the line with self deception so I am not saying this from any kind of a higher vantage point---just a general observation about human nature.

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Hahah Ami , well I did mention I was a follower in some situations, Sunchild also said she was at times.

At a work setting, if I do what is asked of me from my boss/employer, isn't that a leader/follower type of relationship?

In social settings, I usually don't feel the need to be a leader. My Leo Sun/Moon friend looves to dictate where we should go to most Fridays, and.. I'm usually in agreement with her because we like about the same things. That makes me a follower in that situation, but honestly, I like it that way lol.

As far as trends, how I dress, how I talk, who I like, WHAT I THINK, I'm my own leader. I'll take people's opinions into consideration of course, but in the end, it's what I feel/think is right or wrong for me that matters most.

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posted February 10, 2011 11:18 AM            

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We are all leaders and followers within different contexts. Obama is our leader in the US (whether we like it or not). And I am the leader to all of you, whether you like me or not (if you are here, you really have no choice, as I make the rules). Fortunately, I'm a hands-off open-minded leader with a wide latitude of acceptance, a strong measure of tolerance, and a really tough skin (most of the time). But deep inside, as a deep-rooted personality trait, who is primarily a leader, and who is a follower?

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posted February 10, 2011 11:29 AM            

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I think in any population ,there would be 2-5% leaders,tops.

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posted February 10, 2011 11:46 AM            

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I am LEXX's response.

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I am Anglerfish's response.

Additionally, because of my Mutable nature, I'm an amazing support person, which doesn't technically fall into either category. I'm great at it, because I'm suited to thinking independently, but I'm also able to go with the flow and adapt myself to the situation.

It's like Jesus. The leader is the servant providing the tools for others to enjoy success as well.

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posted February 10, 2011 11:55 AM            

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There is personal power in both. I weave myself through the situtation/people and choose where my knowledge and experience lay and move appropriately.

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posted February 10, 2011 12:35 PM            

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We are all leaders and followers within different contexts. Obama is our leader in the US (whether we like it or not). And I am the leader to all of you, whether you like me or not (if you are here, you really have no choice, as I make the rules). Fortunately, I'm a hands-off open-minded leader with a wide latitude of acceptance, a strong measure of tolerance, and a really tough skin (most of the time). But deep inside, as a deep-rooted personality trait, who is primarily a leader, and who is a follower?

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I based my reply on mainly this concept:

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But deep inside, as a deep-rooted personality trait, who is primarily a leader, and who is a follower?

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Of course we are all a blend of both depending on the situation.
Overall I prefer not to be a leader, but have no problem stepping up if need be.
However, not a follower.

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posted February 10, 2011 01:35 PM            

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Follower, I do not like leading, But I do not like leaders who do not have it together "up stairs"

Randall the method you are leading with builds openness and sharing.

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People fear retaliation, If you do not at some level, I would like to have a long talk with you, To understand how you tick.

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posted February 10, 2011 04:02 PM            

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"It is not the strongest of the species...nor the most intelligent, that survives. It is the one most adaptable to change." - Darwin

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posted February 10, 2011 04:17 PM            

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It is the species that is most fit that survives. Being fit means whatever has survival value. Darwin is referring to adaptation as it relates to gene mutation.

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posted February 10, 2011 05:56 PM            

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Ag and Randall are both right.

"Over,Under,or Around"

Progression

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