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PlutoSquared Moderator Posts: 3528 From: Mars Registered: Aug 2010
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posted March 18, 2011 06:48 PM
Like many of the tragedies in the last decade, the events in Japan have had me thinking a lot of my own mortality. In my own way, I have to "numb" out fear and uncertainty towards death, in order to focus on the positives of life. My belief in Jesus Christ, also gives me hope. But, there are moments when I realize if I ever had to face the death of my children, or someone I deeply love, I would be reduced to instant nothingness. An ocean of tears and sickness and desperation. It's hard for me to completely realize and empathize what those in Japan are going through, to really digest it and hold onto it, because in some ways, I just can't without also touching some terrible pain and fear. I can handle life, now, as it is... but if someone I loved was a victim in an event like Japan, I don't know if I would have any motivation to live, ever again. This thread is dedicated to the topic of mortality. How do you deal with this fact of life? IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 7314 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted March 18, 2011 07:11 PM
When someone you love dies, you go in to shock. You feel nothing. That is how God protects you from insanity. You feel NOTHING until you are safe to feel. This ,often takes months or years.------------------ Jesus never put his trust in man cuz he knew what was in man. He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city Proverbs IP: Logged |
AcousticGod Knowflake Posts: 4943 From: Pleasanton, CA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted March 18, 2011 07:13 PM
I tend to avoid death like the plague. The idea of it does haunt me. When I've had good friends I've lost contact with I think maybe they died, and sometimes I dream of them and wonder if their images are from the beyond.I've only gone to one funeral ever. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 7314 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted March 18, 2011 07:35 PM
Many people asked me HOW I could get through death. I told them but they didn't hear me. You go numb. You are not brave.You are not overcoming. You are numb ,cut off from feelings. That happens for everyone when they are faced with death. ------------------ Jesus never put his trust in man cuz he knew what was in man. He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city Proverbs
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TxGirl Knowflake Posts: 200 From: Registered: Feb 2011
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posted March 18, 2011 08:22 PM
Stay busy. I tend to drink alot, and never be alone in times like those. And, that is a way I deal with it. And when I am ready to accept it and deal with the person dying-cause there never is over coming it or it getting easier. It just is, and when you're ready to mourn and start dealing with it on a day to day basis. I s'pose eventually you begin to be thankful for what you do have left and keep lliving for that.My friend sarahs mom died when she was in college after 5 years of battling cancer. I lived with her for a month, and when she wanted to cry, we cried, when she wanted to get drunk, we got drunk, when she wanted to smoke pot (though THAT is not sarah at all) I did that with her. And, when she woke up at night I'd wake up. But, by the end of the month, she was going back to school and calling her family much more. She then moved out of state for a year, and when she got back the pain was still waiting on her, and she accepted it. To this day I still get calls in the middle of the night, her crying, or dreams/nightmares of her mother. People handle it in any way they can, and whatever way that is- is better than completely giving up. It doesn't get easier, I think we just learn to deal. This is me though, everyone is different. IP: Logged |
PlutoSquared Moderator Posts: 3528 From: Mars Registered: Aug 2010
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posted March 18, 2011 08:27 PM
TxGirl, you sound like a great friend to have. Thanks for explaining from your perspective.IP: Logged |
PlutoSquared Moderator Posts: 3528 From: Mars Registered: Aug 2010
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posted March 18, 2011 08:28 PM
quote: Originally posted by Ami Anne: Many people asked me HOW I could get through death. I told them but they didn't hear me. You go numb. You are not brave.You are not overcoming. You are numb ,cut off from feelings. That happens for everyone when they are faced with death.
I agree and realize that numb is a safety mechanism. I guess some pain is just way too deep. IP: Logged |
PlutoSquared Moderator Posts: 3528 From: Mars Registered: Aug 2010
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posted March 18, 2011 08:31 PM
quote: Originally posted by AcousticGod: I tend to avoid death like the plague. The idea of it does haunt me. When I've had good friends I've lost contact with I think maybe they died, and sometimes I dream of them and wonder if their images are from the beyond.I've only gone to one funeral ever.
I don't think of it. I just operate as if certain things just don't exist. Then, when faced with these issues, I become neurotic somewhat like you do. Except I handle it differently... I try to learn everything, and try to control everything. Not really healthy. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 7314 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted March 18, 2011 08:38 PM
You sound like a wonderful friend ,TXGirl------------------ Jesus never put his trust in man cuz he knew what was in man. He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city Proverbs IP: Logged |
PlutoSquared Moderator Posts: 3528 From: Mars Registered: Aug 2010
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posted March 18, 2011 09:01 PM
Heart in A Headlock http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKZsZkH_MJc&feature=related IP: Logged |
Betty Boop Knowflake Posts: 562 From: Betty Boop Land Registered: Sep 2010
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posted March 18, 2011 09:29 PM
When everyone and everything you really care about is taken away from you - you have nothing left to lose, and nothing at all to be afraid of. As much it is painful -- it's also extremely freeing... I've never felt so free in my life. .. It's a freedom from fear. I've never felt so out of control and yet so completely trusting in God and the Universe that everything would be OK - and I didn't need to be in control. PS - I think you would be very surprised as to how you would react. I've never felt as though the people I care about died, not before they did - not when they did - and not afterwards.. and not even to this day. The feeling is just not there.. because I know they are with me. I'm sure there are ample psychological reasons and theories out there (all of which I am not interested in) as to *why* I feel this way..
What I know is that it is a feeling of peace and inner balance that has made me a braver person and drawn me closer to God. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 7314 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted March 18, 2011 09:41 PM
I will tell you that the most horrible thing was when I could not cry. The pain was so bad that I had no tears. I love tears . I cry all the time ,at everything,happiness and sadness.
------------------ Jesus never put his trust in man cuz he knew what was in man. He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city Proverbs IP: Logged |
PlutoSquared Moderator Posts: 3528 From: Mars Registered: Aug 2010
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posted March 18, 2011 10:15 PM
quote: Originally posted by Betty Boop: When everyone and everything you really care about is taken away from you - you have nothing left to lose, and nothing at all to be afraid of. As much it is painful -- it's also extremely freeing... I've never felt so free in my life. .. It's a freedom from fear. I've never felt so out of control and yet so completely trusting in God and the Universe that everything would be OK - and I didn't need to be in control. PS - I think you would be very surprised as to how you would react. I've never felt as though the people I care about died, not before they did - not when they did - and not afterwards.. and not even to this day. The feeling is just not there.. because I know they are with me. I'm sure there are ample psychological reasons and theories out there (all of which I am not interested in) as to *why* I feel this way..
What I know is that it is a feeling of peace and inner balance that has made me a braver person and drawn me closer to God.
Thank you Betty B. for sharing this with me. There is a lot of beauty and comfort in what you said. IP: Logged |
cathy Knowflake Posts: 103 From: Registered: Jul 2009
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posted March 19, 2011 01:36 AM
I have lost my only son, both my parents and 3 close friends. I have a peace within me, as I "know" that death is'nt the end of existance. I'm thankful for that. IP: Logged |
rajji Knowflake Posts: 493 From: Registered: Jan 2011
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posted March 19, 2011 01:54 AM
Yes Death is but just the beginning to eternal life. "Death is the road. Life is the traveller. The Soul is the Guide" ... "Our mind thinks of death. Our heart thinks of life Our soul thinks of Immortality." Sri Chinmoy “You can shed tears that she is gone, or you can smile because she has lived. You can close your eyes and pray that she'll come back, or you can open your eyes and see all she's left. Your heart can be empty because you can't see her, or you can be full of the love you shared. You can turn your back on tomorrow and live yesterday, or you can be happy for tomorrow because of yesterday. You can remember her only that she is gone, or you can cherish her memory and let it live on. You can cry and close your mind, be empty and turn your back. Or you can do what she'd want: smile, open your eyes, love and go on.”
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BearsArcher Moderator Posts: 588 From: Arizona with Bear the Leo Registered: Apr 2010
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posted March 19, 2011 03:24 AM
quote: Originally posted by PlutoSquared: Like many of the tragedies in the last decade, the events in Japan have had me thinking a lot of my own mortality. In my own way, I have to "numb" out fear and uncertainty towards death, in order to focus on the positives of life. My belief in Jesus Christ, also gives me hope. But, there are moments when I realize if I ever had to face the death of my children, or someone I deeply love, I would be reduced to instant nothingness. An ocean of tears and sickness and desperation. It's hard for me to completely realize and empathize what those in Japan are going through, to really digest it and hold onto it, because in some ways, I just can't without also touching some terrible pain and fear. I can handle life, now, as it is... but if someone I loved was a victim in an event like Japan, I don't know if I would have any motivation to live, ever again. This thread is dedicated to the topic of mortality. How do you deal with this fact of life?
I believe that it is always hard to prepare for death, especially of someone we love. For me, death was always associated with fear, because I lost friends while I was in high school. Then I had a long period of time where death was confined to elders. When I married Bear, life and death became a different story. He has deployed twice to Iraq in the 4 years we have been together. Nothing prepares a person for death like going to what we call a "pre-deployment Rodeo" and our spouses fill out the will and name their next of kin for burial rights. When mortality hits you every day for 365 days and you read of the people your spouse serves with being killed downrange, life changes. The view of death changes and you realize that life is fleeting, precious and one needs to make the most of it. To compound that feeling that I went through, I also worked for a different Regiment (or Brigade) than my husband was apart of. We had our own casualties. I was close to so many people and my heart breaks when I receive messages about another Soldier that has died in Afghanistan and I recognize their names and the names of their family members because I processed them into the squadron. Death and life go hand and hand to me. I am sad for the people in Japan. I can absolutely imagine the pain, then again I am in a different situation. I have had to imagine that pain far to often and have to realize that pain every time I attend a memorial for another Soldier that we lose. IP: Logged |
BearsArcher Moderator Posts: 588 From: Arizona with Bear the Leo Registered: Apr 2010
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posted March 19, 2011 03:29 AM
I just realized that part of the post was asking how we deal with it. I can't say that there is a full on way on how to deal with it. In my case, I have had to attend memorials of Soldiers that I knew and some I did not know. In the Regiment I worked for, my heart really breaks because there were new Soldiers (18 and 19 years of age) that came to our squadron and I spoke with their mothers and fathers about the deployment and set them up on our website. It breaks my heart. I hate that when someone dies they are forever gone. We can never talk to them again- never hear them laugh- never fight or make up with them. We hear their voices in our heads / heart, we remember the way they smell, their mannerisms but we will never see any of those things again. The finality of death for those left behind is what really gets to my inner core. IP: Logged |
snarly Knowflake Posts: 108 From: u.k Registered: Oct 2010
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posted March 19, 2011 06:39 AM
I have lost a lot of family and friends, but it never gets any 'easier'. I agree with Ami in that you go numb. I don't think it's a conscious decision, it is a safety mechanism that kicks in until you are able to cope properly with it. I also agree that a certain amount of freedom from the fear of death comes in time.IP: Logged |
EverEvolvingSpirit Moderator Posts: 785 From: A Place of Pure Love <3 Registered: Feb 2011
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posted March 19, 2011 08:41 AM
I try not to think about it much, although there are aspects in my chart that says I'm obsessed with it a bit. Just the fact that we are all here on borrowed time, but Linda gave me hope in her last chapter of Star Signs that we need not experience death or atleast prolong it for a very long time.With that being said I have lost the most important figures of my life. My mom, all grandparents, all aunts, just recently in 2007 my dear godmother unexpectedly. It doesn't get any easier. It never does. With my godmother I . . . ugh I knew I should not have come to this thread, this subject is a hard one. Anyhow, I notice that old people are usually never afraid to die. I remember my grandmother purchasing plots for herself and my grandpa like it was no biggie and I'd ask, why you buying that? She would say, to be prepared for when her time comes. Most elderly people accept it once they hit a certain age. So its a cycle, I suppose. When I talk to my son I assure him, I'm not going anywhere, I believe mind state has alot to do with health and longevity. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 7314 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted March 19, 2011 08:41 AM
quote: Originally posted by cathy: I have lost my only son, both my parents and 3 close friends. I have a peace within me, as I "know" that death is'nt the end of existance. I'm thankful for that.
I am so sorry,Kathy, dear. My deepest condolences ------------------ Jesus never put his trust in man cuz he knew what was in man. He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city Proverbs IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 7314 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted March 19, 2011 08:43 AM
quote: Originally posted by snarly: I have lost a lot of family and friends, but it never gets any 'easier'. I agree with Ami in that you go numb. I don't think it's a conscious decision, it is a safety mechanism that kicks in until you are able to cope properly with it. I also agree that a certain amount of freedom from the fear of death comes in time.
Snarly You are a dear thing! ------------------ Jesus never put his trust in man cuz he knew what was in man. He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city Proverbs IP: Logged |
PlutoSquared Moderator Posts: 3528 From: Mars Registered: Aug 2010
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posted March 19, 2011 12:59 PM
Thanks to all who shared here.IP: Logged |
EverEvolvingSpirit Moderator Posts: 785 From: A Place of Pure Love <3 Registered: Feb 2011
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posted March 19, 2011 03:12 PM
PS, It was pretty brave of you to actually be able to write this topic. You're a pretty strong chick for doing so. I saw the topic and tried to run from it but inevitably felt compelled to read and post. Your belief in Christ is a blessing. It gives you hope and faith that all will be well. I hope it continues to do so in your life.IP: Logged |
PlutoSquared Moderator Posts: 3528 From: Mars Registered: Aug 2010
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posted March 19, 2011 03:22 PM
Thanks, EES. That was very nice of you.IP: Logged |
abcd efg Knowflake Posts: 33 From: Mumbai,Maharashtra,India Registered: Mar 2011
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posted March 20, 2011 11:31 AM
quote: Originally posted by Betty Boop: When everyone and everything you really care about is taken away from you - you have nothing left to lose, and nothing at all to be afraid of. As much it is painful -- it's also extremely freeing... I've never felt so free in my life. .. It's a freedom from fear. I've never felt so out of control and yet so completely trusting in God and the Universe that everything would be OK - and I didn't need to be in control. PS - I think you would be very surprised as to how you would react. I've never felt as though the people I care about died, not before they did - not when they did - and not afterwards.. and not even to this day. The feeling is just not there.. because I know they are with me. I'm sure there are ample psychological reasons and theories out there (all of which I am not interested in) as to *why* I feel this way..
What I know is that it is a feeling of peace and inner balance that has made me a braver person and drawn me closer to God.
Thank u Betty, You wrote all that i experience and feel. And put it very nicely and clearly too. I think that 'freedom from fear' factor comes from death not only of near and dear ones but also of 'everything that we care for' as you so wisely put it. We have nothing further/much to loose. Also, in the last decade or so, i got some premonitions, dreams etc in this connection, so that too prepared me psychologically to face 'death' whenever it came knocking at my door. And yes, i still feel connected to them one way or the other. Love, IP: Logged |