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posted June 02, 2011 01:16 AM            

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Hi all!

the recent threads I've been reading (and my recent 'romantic' experience ), has got me thinking, and, as it is an astrology site and all, I was wondering if I could open an astrological discussion on what aspects might *lend* themselves to cruel, manipulative, non-empathetic behaviour and attitudes.

I understand that there prolly isn't one aspect, and free-will is always involved (as well as, some might argue conditioning). Most important to remember too: just because you have an aspect that we may come up with doesn't mean you are a psychopath, or even have these tendencies. Having said that though - on the other hand - many of us probably do have the tendency, and can be manipulative, or even cruel on the occassion. Still, this doesn't mean that you are a psychopath.

So I guess what I am asking here is, a discussion on aspects, signs, or house placements that might indicate these kind of anti-social and distructive behaviours. Not necessarily looking for the full psychopath per se.

I think I can learn a lot from the journey of the discussion, not focusing on the destination here, as nothing that we can come up with can be a certainty. As we know, astrology is too complex to try to pin down anything in certain terms.

Many thanks for your thoughts!

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posted June 02, 2011 09:18 AM            

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Well, something like psychopathy (or sociopathy, since they're essentially the exact same thing) is either inherent or environmental. That is what I've been taught, anyway.

I don't really expect to be able to find psychopathy with an environmental cause in someone's natal chart, unless you think of the argument does someone with an inherent but latent mental disorder pick out the situations (or drugs) to "activate" their disorder, or is it really the situation that brings it on? Whoever can answer that question, can also tell us if we can find any trace of their disorder (if environmental) in their natal charts

Then, there's also the fact that people with borderline or who are bi-polar, often exhibit typical sociopathic tendencies, but are not considered sociopathic. I think we need to take those into consideration too, since they do exhibit the same symptoms.

In which case, I've come across quite a few people whose charts I can look at to see if something matches among them to explain their behaviour. I've had my fair share of sociopaths and other people with sociopathic tendencies, sadly enough. But like you, I expect there's not going to be anything conclusive and I too believe (as I've mentioned in the beginning) that conditioning can have something to do with it as well. As for the free will thing, well, you can choose not to behave that way, I agree. There is actually a psychopath (or sociopath) who started a blog to write about how he experiences his disorder. He seems like a normal, calm person when you read it, but he does constantly remind his readers that he is certainly a sociopath but that he has learned to contain that behaviour. If you're interested, I'll see if I can find the website again

Anyway, moving swiftly on... I'll post what I can share about the charts of those people in a following post, if you don't mind

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posted June 07, 2011 11:50 PM            

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posted October 24, 2012 01:16 AM            

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As a victim of a psychopath part of my road to healing came from writing a book. In this book I have recorded transits for the four years the relationship lasted. Significant birth charts are in the back of the book. THE RUSTY VIRGIN, is available as an ebook on my website www.fletcherdale.com
I ended this relationship at the end of 1999 and the book in 2000 but only now decided to make it available since a dream at the end of 2011 bought final closure. I believe it would be a wonderful insight for astrology students and as a first hand account of a psychopath.
Yesterday a psychic friend recently reconnected with after 14 years, phoned to speak of an extremely disturbing dream she had where a psychopath is intent on destroying my youngest son, that he is being taken over by an evil force, an older man is invading his psyche and she was most disturbed by how dark the man’s energy is, and the damage he was doing to my son. His motive is to divide and separate.
I knew immediately who she referred to – we had not spoken of the change of events where my son’s father had returned into their lives three years ago after a 30 year absence when he found himself alone in the world, saying ‘nobody else wants me”.
The first time I saw him again he called to my youngest son “Get down here you ****** moron!” I demanded he not speak to my son like that, he told me he would f’in speak to him as he f’in liked. My son appeared and said “Mum, its ok Mum, shhh, don’t cause trouble.”
I asked him why did he not stand up to the man and demand he not speak to him that way. Two months later my eldest son, a Capricorn, demanded his father stop his foul behaviour around him but the youngest, a Pisces, had welcomed him back wholeheartedly.

Despite all rationale I have been unable to reconcile this man in their and my grandsons lives. He himself had told the two boys “Be grateful your mother got you away from me, I have poisoned every person in my life.” His latest two children have been hospitalised with breakdowns and display severe neurotic behaviour.
Friends and my children have urged me over the years to make my peace with him, to give him a chance, but inside myself I felt he was putrid and poisonous and dangerous company for my sons and could not get beyond that, yet I have forgiven others more appalling behaviour. The boys, living together as single fathers, say he is trying yet I always felt he ingrates himself to them by being "helpful" giving money and gifts and doing jobs about the place, basically buying them. As my elder son is disabled after an accident he appreciates all the help he can get.

So for three years I have withdrawn more and more from my sons lives as he appears whenever I go there, sneering backhandedly toward me, I would leave when he arrived which was EVERY time I went there. Did he have a psychic antennae?
After I left him he ‘stole’ my 10 year old daughter (not his child) from my sisters and attempted to molest her as pay back but she outsmarted him by escaping and jumping into bed with her brothers, thinking it if you do it you will have do it in front of them. Smart girl! Amongst many horrid things toward the children he would go to my youngest boy’s kindergarten to pick up his girlfriend’s son while ignoring his own son. The lady running the kinder told me this after being sickened witnessing my baby’s grief. I felt this man would stop at nothing to hurt me, even use his own child. I packed up my family and moved 1800 miles away.
But he followed 30 years on!
In the past three years I have watched my lovely gentle compassionate Pisces son become more and more cynical bitter and twisted, and a woman hater, saying to him often you’re are becoming your father. I had wondered was he cursed by his father’s genes yet he had never displayed these traits before his father's return.
I had never considered the man a psychopath until my friends dream. This was an Ahhha moment, all my fears for the boys, all my loathing, and inability to make peace with myself over him suddenly made sense.
Her words divide and conquer - I see now he was getting what he sort, me separated from my sons and grandsons and him poisoning my son as pay back. Definitely psychopathic!
Now somehow I will try to help my Pisces ‘see’ without alienating him………Neptune has been transiting his Sun the past year
So the Rusty Virgin story was not my first time in a relationship with a psychopath.I am a Leo/ Scorpio Ascendant/ Sun conjunct Pluto, 8.8.1953 10.30 am Sydney, Australia

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posted October 24, 2012 03:41 PM            

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@ fly2arrow

My heart goes out to you. I wish you all the peace in the world.

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