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Yrone
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posted June 22, 2011 06:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Yrone     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Not sure if this is the right forum but here goes:

Have you ever felt the anger of another person physically? Like being punched in the stomach? Tossed in a bucket of icewater? And even so there was no outside expression for it you just knew that they were furious?

Is something like that possible?

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posted June 22, 2011 06:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for dysfunctionalmystic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Absolutely yes to all counts.

I don't mind it at all but what really annoys me is when they go into denial about it lol.

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posted June 22, 2011 07:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Yrone:
Not sure if this is the right forum but here goes:

Have you ever felt the anger of another person physically? Like being punched in the stomach? Tossed in a bucket of icewater? And even so there was no outside expression for it you just knew that they were furious?

Is something like that possible?


YES from 2 people in my life
One was my mother.
Her words would take the literal breath from me.
They hit with with the force of a punch in the stomach.
One man did this to me, too.
It IS a literal psychic force that feels physical

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Yrone
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posted June 22, 2011 08:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Yrone     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Funny how both of you posted at hour:22 ... sigh.

It was quite a shock for me when it happened, because I had never experienced something like this before. And I am still not entirely sure why.

It hasn't happened again in that magnitude, but well after spending the next couple days curled up somewhere I don't dare to let down my guard around this person so /shrug.
Surely didn't do anything to help me with my fears of rejection and stuff.

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posted June 22, 2011 08:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Yrone     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yay! I managed to faffle waffle enough to miss the 22 /cheer

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posted June 22, 2011 09:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mblake81     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Yrone:
Not sure if this is the right forum but here goes:

Have you ever felt the anger of another person physically? Like being punched in the stomach? Tossed in a bucket of icewater? And even so there was no outside expression for it you just knew that they were furious?

Is something like that possible?


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posted June 22, 2011 09:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Yrone     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wait, is this ment as an affirmation or do you try to tell me my theory is crap?

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posted June 22, 2011 09:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Yrone     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ah foo, i hit the :22 again

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posted June 22, 2011 09:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mblake81     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Yrone:
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posted June 22, 2011 09:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Yrone     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And the :33 ...

Ok rofl, maybe this is the affirmation from the universe trying to tell me "yes stoopid, you can trust your feelings/hunches/etc in this regard, or do you maybe need a baseballbat over the head" ?

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posted June 22, 2011 10:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Yrone     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
YES from 2 people in my life
One was my mother.
Her words would take the literal breath from me.
They hit with with the force of a punch in the stomach.
One man did this to me, too.
It IS a literal psychic force that feels physical

With the man, did you know what was happening?

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posted June 22, 2011 01:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Yrone:
Wait, is this ment as an affirmation or do you try to tell me my theory is crap?

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posted June 22, 2011 01:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Yrone     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by dysfunctionalmystic:
Absolutely yes to all counts.

I don't mind it at all but what really annoys me is when they go into denial about it lol.


Well the denial was from my side by telling myself that I am just imagening things, that stuff like that doesn't happen etc. Now a year later I am more inclined to accept.

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posted June 22, 2011 05:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for maira     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It happened to me three times, and it's not related only to anger.

There was this lady who used to work at my former company, who really hated me (Pluto in 1st seems to polarize people, they either love you or they hate/fear you, there's no middle ground). I was having lunch with my father and suddenly I felt so much hatred energy directed towards me that I had to raise my head and look - she was standing at the entrance of the coffee shop.

Another time, I was at a traffic stop and I felt this kind of amazement and enthusiastic energy. I immediately thought about my ex husband (we didn't speak at the time), I even looked for his car but couldn't see it. He left an offline message, saying that he saw me that day, in that place
Like you, I thought I imagined things until I got the offline message.

The third time, what I felt was fear from another person, which was confirmed later by someone else.

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posted June 22, 2011 05:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for maira     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Also, if you feel affected by this, you might want to look up psychic protection and grounding. I kind of do this naturally, but there are many "how to's" on the Internet

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posted June 23, 2011 02:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Yrone     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Maira, generally I don't feel affected by it, only at times when I get "emotions" that puzzle me and I don't think are mine, I'd be more interested to trace the root and reason.

In the case described I knew where it came from, on a gut level?

Yet, a part of me refuses to internalize that yes, that really happened. I am still waiting for something to burst the bubble so to speak. And I think that's the biggest problem I have with using that kind of talent.

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posted June 23, 2011 08:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Yrone:
With the man, did you know what was happening?

No,I was in a fog of confusion.I recognized that it was the SAME feeling as with my mother,exactly.
However,it has taken me a great deal of time to see that that relationship was an EXACT emotional replay of my mother.
His Nessus was an exact conjunction to my Sun.
If you are dealing with a specific person in this type of a relationship,I can bet you have a Nessus connection in synastry.
I will help you check it out if you want

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Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality
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I am my Beloved's.My Beloved is mine.
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He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city
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posted June 23, 2011 09:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mir     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello Sweet Peas In The Rain,

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Have you ever felt the anger of another person physically? Like being punched in the stomach? Tossed in a bucket of icewater? And even so there was no outside expression for it you just knew that they were furious?

Last weekend when Pisces & I broke up - he dreams about having kids/family of his own etc. which I cannot give - I experienced something similar..

I said to him; wel maybe your next g-f will be accepted by your mom and so then you can all have a great family life, better than you'd ever imagined.,

and then he said; no, don't expect that as she never accepted any of my g-f's .. she alienated all of them, on end.

And then I felt this DEEP deep hate in my body against his mom - and it had really nothing to do with my own 'Ego' as I'm very aware when that's involved - while he just brought it as being a representation of facts !

He also said to me that I don't need to blame myself as she didn't give me one chance.

So he rationally KNOWS.. but he can't FEEL it (yet) and to become truly aware of that myself.. (I already knew it but this was the first time *I* could literally feel his unconscious *denial*) was an almost weird experience!

So, it's really time for T. Saturn to cross his IC... typically a time to become aware of all these underlying emotions regarding family/roots etc.

Aagh life is complex


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There's nothing that important to him as BELONGING to his family (mom, dad, perfect brother with kids etc.)

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posted June 23, 2011 10:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Yrone     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@Mir, yes it is a weird feeling, especially if you aren't used to sensing the emotions of others. I imagine it wasn't quite easy feeling the issue and yet having the person being stubborn about it.

How long till the tSaturn goes over his IC?

I never talked to the person in question, so I don't have any confirmation, but it shocked me on an animal level and probably caused more problems then neccessary in dealing.

@Ami, no worries, it just happened once and over a year ago. Not a relationship issue.

But to satisfy the curiosity, there are no significant Nessus contacts in our synastry, as the 3° orb to moon trine and 4° conj asc are far too big for a poo 'stroid and semi-sextiles to mars and venus and bQ to pluto really are just minor.

If we want to look for danger, I would wager there's better things to find, like the natal Venus square Pluto being turned into a fixed T-square by my Sun harhar.

Anyway, no relationship, no issues

I am just looking for validation that I am not crazy. People in my immediate environment aren't very spiritual or something so it's nothing they'd know anything about. And because of the general approach of them and public at large, I am often pondering my perception.

You know, on a lot of boards, people are being straight up told to see a shrink when they start talking about these kind of things, because they clearly are lonely, frustrated women who are escaping reality into wishful thinking (well some of them probably are, mind)

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posted June 23, 2011 12:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mochai     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Empathy is a scientifically validated phenomena. You're just getting better at it than most people. It's talked about in the book The Intention Experiment. You're not crazy

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posted June 23, 2011 12:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Yrone     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Mochai

I really think that not being able to fully internalize and accept is hindering me, like a mental block to full access, so I am slowly plodding along.

It's tough when you have to do it alone, so to say, with no teacher etc.

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posted June 23, 2011 01:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mir     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Two degrees to go before Saturn - currently exactly on his Pluto - will cross the bottom

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