posted July 13, 2011 05:07 AM            

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Some researchers think that psychopathy is the result of some attachment or bonding difficulty as an infant. Dr. Hare has turned the idea around, after all his years digging into the background of psychopaths. He says:

In some children the very failure to bond is a symptom of psychopathy. It is likely that these children lack the capacity to bond readily, and that their lack of attachment is largely the result, not the cause, of psychopathy. [Hare]

In other words: they are born that way and you can't fix them.

To many people, the idea of a child psychopath is almost unthinkable. But the fact is, true psychopaths are born, not made. Oh, indeed, there is the psychopath that is "made," but they are generally different from the born psychopath in a number of ways.

The fact is, clinical research clearly demonstrates that psychopathy does not spring unannounced into existence in adulthood. The symptoms reveal themselves in early life. It seems to be true that parents of psychopaths KNOW something is dreadfully wrong even before the child starts school. Such children are stubbornly immune to socializing pressures. They are "different" from other children in inexplicable ways. They are more "difficult," or "willful," or aggressive, or hard to "relate to." They are difficult to get close to, cold and distant and self-sufficient.

One mother said: "We were never able to get close to her even as an infant. She was always trying to have her own way, whether by being sweet, or by having a tantrum. She can put on a sweet and contrite act…"

The fact is: childhood psychopathy is a stark reality, and failing to recognize it can lead to years of vain attempts to discover what is wrong with a child, and the parent blaming themselves. Hare writes:

As the signs of social breakdown grow more insistent, we no longer have the luxury of ignoring the presence of psychopathy in certain children. Half a century ago Hervey Cleckley and Robert Lindner warned us that our failure to acknowledge the psychopaths among us had already triggered a social crisis. Today our social institutions - our schools, courts, mental health clinics - confront the crisis every day in a thousand ways, and the blindfold against the reality of psychopathy is still in place.[…]

The last decade has seen the emergence of an inescapable and terrifying reality: a dramatic surge of juvenile crime that threatens to overwhelm our social institutions. […] Children under the age of ten who are capable of the sort of mindless violence that once was reserved for hardened adult criminals. […] At this writing, a small town in a western state is frantically searching for ways to deal with a nine-year-old who allegedly rapes and molests other children at knife point. He is too young to be charged and cannot be taken into care because "such action may only be taken when the child is in danger, not his victims," according to a child protection official. [Hare]

Why does it seem that we have a veritable epidemic of psychopaths? Sociobiologists are suggesting that increasing psychopathy is an expression of a particular genetically based reproductive strategy. Simply put, most people have a couple of children and devote a lot of time and effort to their care. Psychopaths systematically mate with and abandon large numbers of women. They waste little of their energy raising children, and in this way, psychopathic genes are being propagated like wildfire. The sociobiologists aren't saying that the sexual behavior of people is consciously directed, only that "nature" has made them a certain way so that it will happen effectively.

The behavior of female psychopaths reflects the same strategy. "I can always have another," one female psychopath coldly replied when questioned about an incident in which her two-year-old daughter was beaten to death by one of her many lovers. When asked why she would want to have another child, (two had been taken into protective custody), she said "I love children." Again we see that the expressed emotion is in contradiction to the behavior.

Cheating skills seem to have an adaptive value in our society. The fact is: psychopaths often end up on the top of the heap, John Forbes Nash, for example.

At the present time, there is something very scary going on in the metaphysical community: talk about the so-called "Indigo Children." One of the chief promoters of this idea, Wendy Chapman, writes:

Indigo Children are the current generation being born today and most of those who are 8 years old or younger. They are different. They have very unique characteristics that set them apart from previous generations of children. [...]

These are the children who are often rebellious to authority, nonconformist, extremely emotionally and sometimes physically sensitive or fragile, highly talented or academically gifted and often metaphysically gifted as well, usually intuitive, very often labeled ADD, either very empathic and compassionate OR very cold and callous, and are wise beyond their years. Does this sound like yourself or your child?

Indigos have come into this world with difficult challenges to overcome. Their extreme levels of sensitivity are hard to understand and appreciate by parents who don't share this trait. Their giftedness is unusual in such high numbers. Their nonconformity to systems and to discipline will make it difficult to get through their childhood years and perhaps even their adult years. It is also what will help them accomplish big goals such as changing the educational system, for instance. Being an Indigo won't be easy for any of them, but it foretells a mission. The Indigo Children are the ones who have come to raise the vibration of our planet! These are the primary ones who will bring us the enlightenment to ascend.

Sounds like a severe case of denial and wishful thinking, in my opinion. But, as we already understand the psychological reality is merely a tool for the Theological Reality, I suspect that the reader already has jumped ahead of me here and realizes what a big snow-job this "indigo children" deal is. Ms. Chapman has kindly provided a check-list to determine an "indigo child." After learning what we have about psychopaths, let's have a look at her list:

Have strong self esteem, connection to source
Know they belong here until they are told otherwise
Have an obvious sense of self
Have difficulty with discipline and authority
Refuse to follow orders or directions
Find it torture to waiting in lines, lack patience
Get frustrated by ritual-oriented systems that require little creativity
Often see better ways of doing thing at home and at school
Are mostly nonconformists
Do not respond to guilt trips, want good reasons
Get bored rather easily with assigned tasks
Are rather creative
Are easily distractible, can do many things at once
Display strong intuition
Have strong empathy for others or NO empathy
Develop abstract thinking very young
Are gifted and/or talented, highly intelligent
Are often identified or suspected of having ADD or ADHD, but can focus when they want to
Are talented daydreamers and visionaries
Have very old, deep, wise looking eyes
Have spiritual intelligence and/or psychic skills
Often express anger outwardly rather than inwardly and may have trouble with rage
Need our support to discover themselves
Are here to change the world - to help us live in greater harmony and peace with one another and to raise the vibration of the planet

What we see above is a list that includes certain definitely psychopathic behaviors along with behaviors of gifted children. We have to wonder at the attempt to weave the two together.

Where did this idea of "Indigo Children" come from? The phrase, "Indigo child" was coined by Nancy Ann Tappe in her book Understanding Your Life Through Color (1982) and refers to the color in these children's aura. Ms. Tappe was interviewed by Jan Tober for her book The Indigo Children (1999) and said: "These young children - every one of them I've seen thus far who kill their schoolmates or parents - have been Indigos."

That didn't stop Tober from writing her book and declaring that these children are "Spiritual Masters, beings full of wisdom, here to teach us a new way of being." The way the followers of the idea justify the fact that "not all Indigo children are filled with unconditional love, tolerance and non-judgment," is by declaring that they require "special" treatment and handling with kid gloves because they are so special and delicate and sensitive.

In a pig's eye. They are psychopaths and they have an altogether different agenda. And somehow, they are aware and seek to ensure that their offspring are well cared for, and that a lot of psychopaths grow up without being identified as what they are.

Nevertheless, there is no explaining the extremes that "true believers" will go to in order to find excuses for inexcusable things. Elizabeth Kirby, a businesswoman in southern California, who has "studied and practiced metaphysics for the last 21 years," writes:

In hearing about the school shootings, I knew Indigo children were pulling the triggers. The Columbine High School shooting was so horrific it caught everyone's attention. At the time my eldest daughter said to me, "Because they (Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold) were Indigos they wanted to do it, so they just did it. No remorse, no guilt, they just went ahead and shot all those people because they wanted to and felt they needed to." Indigo children don't have guilt to keep them in check and because they balk at authority they don't believe they have to follow the rules.

Writers in mainstream America like Jonathan Kellerman are lumping the Indigo school shooters with the psychopaths; the dark entities who are bullies, con-men, stalkers, victimizers, serial killers and those who kill for thrills. I don't believe these Indigo children who have taken weapons to school to harm other children are psychopaths. They have been bullied and teased and have an avenger attitude seeking justice for injuries inflicted on them. They aren't killing just for the thrill of killing. These kids know changes have to be made within the school system and they chose violence to make their statement, to give us a wake up call. Some of these metaphysical Indigo children are not hesitant about using violence to bring about change, and to bring us to enlightenment.

Indigo violence is here and it will continue, at least with this present generation of Indigo children. We are seeing with the current Indigo violence how the school system needs to be changed and how imperative it is to address the issues of bullying and intimidation in school. As the Indigo children grow to adulthood, their agendas will move out of the school system into our other systems, our social, political and judicial systems for example. Timothy McVeigh, the Oklahoma City bomber, is an Indigo.

Amazing, huh? Did you catch the remark: "Some of these metaphysical Indigo children are not hesitant about using violence to bring about change, and to bring us to enlightenment."

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posted July 13, 2011 05:49 PM            

Just because someone is different and not spineless in the face of the status quo doesn't make them dangerous as this article implies.

And a lot of evils of the status quo (such as slavery, torture, inquisitions, etc) were undone by people who rejected authority and refused to submit to social pressures. That is, according to the article above we have sociopaths to thank for that!

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Why does it seem that we have a veritable epidemic of psychopaths? Sociobiologists are suggesting that increasing psychopathy is an expression of a particular genetically based reproductive strategy. Simply put, most people have a couple of children and devote a lot of time and effort to their care. Psychopaths systematically mate with and abandon large numbers of women. They waste little of their energy raising children, and in this way, psychopathic genes are being propagated like wildfire. The sociobiologists aren't saying that the sexual behavior of people is consciously directed, only that "nature" has made them a certain way so that it will happen effectively

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Other than that, I agree to a degree with the article. I know some children are born cold and unresponsive to nuturing. Later to grow into very troubled adults. Sadly, I have a nephew that fits this discription:

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he fact is, clinical research clearly demonstrates that psychopathy does not spring unannounced into existence in adulthood. The symptoms reveal themselves in early life. It seems to be true that parents of psychopaths KNOW something is dreadfully wrong even before the child starts school. Such children are stubbornly immune to socializing pressures. They are "different" from other children in inexplicable ways. They are more "difficult," or "willful," or aggressive, or hard to "relate to." They are difficult to get close to, cold and distant and self-sufficient.

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These sad disturbed children were here long before the Indigo tag was applied so I think that`s a stab in the dark.

posted July 14, 2011 03:56 AM            

Society gives out these free passes as a by product to becoming 'more aware' but there should be limits to this. There needs to be a new movement, away from the labels and all the pills and just stating who you are and what you do, negs and pos and don't try to paint a pitiful picture around it. No more victims (except for the poor innocent youth and those unable to defend themselves), no more excuses, just straight up 'this is who i am'. Sounds very Pluto Capricorn-like, no lovey dovey fluffiness here.

There are other opinions on the indigo as psychopath elsewhere on the net as I found (by accident), I'm not gonna go with 'they all are' but I can go along with the argument for the majority.

posted July 14, 2011 04:18 PM            

There may be other articles "indigoes are psychos" but if so I hope they're better thought out than the one you shared here. The one you shared here just came off as ridiculous with plenty of blind spots to me. I suppose if it was more "it's possible some indigos are psychos" or "parents of psychos hide children under indigo label" it would be worth more to me, but it just goes far too extreme until anyone who is different, independent, and with a spine, is a psycho, which just leaves the realm of sanity for me.

That, and every legite article on youth violence I've seen has been claiming the incidents are going DOWN, not up (whereas the numbers of indigos are said to be growing). And I've never heard of an indigo rapist (ie, it doesn't sound like the vicious children described here had even been called indigo in the first place). Granted, it implies school shooters are indigoes but it begs the question by applying supposed mental similarities between so-called indigoes and psychopaths rather than listing known indigo children from doing such deeds.

That, and the claim that sociopaths (who shouldn't care about their offspring) concocted the "indigo myth" to protect their children was too ridiculous for me to believe. IF it were true (which I'm sure it's not) it would imply that sociopaths have more of a hive mind (or at least a sophisticated method of recognizing one another and working together for common goals), or even like evil fairies that leave changelings behind and want them to prosper. But most to all sociopaths simply don't care about their own children (otherwise they'd probably stay with them).

posted July 14, 2011 08:07 PM            

Far too much emphasis on placing labels on people too quick to wear them...it can be turned around by people really waking up, not the new age wake up but a real wake up. It is disempowering but we can take that power back any time we choose by simply refusing to carry the psychic burden of whatever tag they try to stick on us.

Much of what society allows is actually quite evil whilst the stuff that gets frowned upon is simply humanness. The sad thing is that many of these unspoken {and sometimes spoken} rules are damaging to humanity and instead of healing they are destroying.

I don't like the indigo term or any of the others...it's nothing more than elitism and adhd is something that is frequently misdiagnosed. Some children are cold and unresponsive but they can be helped with time and patience. Young children that are cold are usually suffering from an attachment disorder because something went wrong in the early stages of life. Small children are at the mercy of the parent/s and I don't feel that they are given the right kind of information to understand what is going on or what they can do to help.

I've had some really bad times with my kids and I still do and no doubt will do for a good few years yet, I'm not sitting in an ivory tower on this one and we do have to take some responsibility here. I know what I've managed to overcome and because of this I understand how hard it can be. At the same time I feel very strongly that if parents aren't given the knowledge then how the **** are they supposed to know to what to do? I only got as far as I did because I researched and studied...and had therapy. There's far too much denial because society wants to be seen as functional.

Labels frequently don't mean what they say...names are thrown around with abandon and there's a lack of attention to detail in what they really do mean.

Pixie - some parents do care and that's why they choose to walk away. It's just another myth perpetuated by society that they have to be uncaring not to stay. And no I haven't walked out on any of my kids...I've felt like it a time or two but I haven't.

It's really late here and I know I won't be happy with what I've posted when I check it back tomorrow. So much is wrong in that article. I might have to get the book so I can review it and stick it into quarantine on my site. All stuff like that does is cause more damage to people who are genuinely looking for answers.

posted July 15, 2011 02:46 PM            

I feel having studied forensic psychology / criminology, and being something of an Indi myself, (I'll explain) I can contribute a bit here of worth. (Also, if you've not - do check out our 'field manual' on psychopathy, if you've not -- Hare's 'Without Conscience'.)

I've been rather fascinated myself as of late regarding the psychopathy-Indigo connection. It feels to me, for all the world, (insane as it seems) that when I was in my youth, around the point that I had suffered a psychic attack and, after a point of trauma, had incurred retroamnesia from before that point.

I also began having all sorts of unusual bizarre dreams, episodic in nature, and spanning years, where I was clearly 'me-but-not-me', and collecting people for some sort of clandestine government project, while acting as a retriever of sorts, seeking to find someone else. Very 'Matrix'-like in nature, with the usual laws applying to reality being all kinds of bent and manipulated. And, of course, years prior to 'Matrix'.

In my twenties, I'd begin having what I'd call 'emotional blackouts' and jokingly be called 'Jedi', for my ability to analyse something without 'human' bias, and being very 'other' than what they understood. Naturally, I'd gravitate toward other full Indis, or, like I'd suspected of myself, walk-ins. (My energy is very Violet/Indigo with red patches I've learnt are an 'overlay' which requires work to overcome this life.)

Something even more unusual of these relationships is how they would function in my life - as well as the astrological contacts. But for some reason, there has always been a powerful, crazy sexual magnetism - and great distress when some sort of strong sexual bond would not be appropriate. It would tend to create such drama and discontent that the whole relationship would have to go through a full-on purge and transformation before it could continue.

I was sixteen when I developed the ability to 'disconnect' from my emotions; it wasn't until nearly thirty that I'd discovered, through my bond with my husband that I couldn't somehow break from him -- and I raged against it for quite some time, terrified that he would destroy me. (We've discussed this particular piece of karmic baggage from our history since, and it's more a sort of paranoia that's run-off from then.) And I went through a complete spiritual / emotional rebirth.

It's been very difficult, and strange. I feel that the 'socio' side of me is my Indigo nature, to which I can connect or not. The ideas and understanding that comes from that place is oftentimes incompatible with the way this society is structured, and I tend to have to avoid those feelings and yearnings - or find those of true like-mind.

Here's what I've -personally- discovered; and no one's the last topic on this, believe me. (And if they claim to be - regard what they say with great suspicion!)

Oh, boy. Here goes. I'm entirely responsible for the following, heh, though it may disturb me later. That's just how it goes when I 'plug in'. Give me a minute.

Ready? Taking a deep breath ....

Now.

We're not psychopaths in the traditional sense. We're just above human emotion. That may seem strange to you. It should, unless you've been where I have; seen what I've seen, or done any of the things I've done. We don't hate, wish to harm, or look to be rid of you. We want to teach you. You are us. We are you - just from a different perspective. We exist on a prism, where you are currently on a single plane. Unfortunately, this means you're missing all of the beautiful resultant spectrum of colour and light. Until you can see each thread and every part, you're not going to understand why we have to do the things we do, or believe the way we believe.

We aren't evil, either. Again, we've gone beyond that. We can understand human morality - and morality, as it exists conceptually - but we don't go about it as you do. We can love unconditionally - and do so; likely beyond a capacity of which you're currently aware.

Sex is violence, in case you haven't noticed. Strip the emotion from the act, and you're left with violation and invasion. It's important to maintain emotion if you wish to preserve human relations and protect human morality. If you do not, however, then you open yourself up to a whole other level of understanding - one, for which, many simply are not ready, and won't be for awhile.

But visits to this 'place' of understanding will do anyone good. I have seen many human beings with psychopathy - a general, total disregard for the other members of their race. It's troubling to me. We don't do that. We have bonds, pacts, and understandings which have been agreed upon long before we get here. Even if we do each other harm, or remove each other from this plane of existence, we understand why we are doing so. You do not. To you, it is an act of violence - or even homicide. To us, it is a plan being put into action. Nothing more, nothing less.

To achieve ultimate understanding, we will all have to work together. I suspect the closer we get to the point in which we must, or vanish from the existence we know, I will recognise more of my brethren. At current, there are a number of us, but we are still relatively few. Now our children are being born with this innate understanding, you do not understand their needs, as they are not your own. This troubles me, as they can most certainly be confused, feeling thwarted, loved differently than they need to be loved, and grow to express violence, as a result of this lack of 'nurturing'.

I have found one of my children, and am lucky enough to take part in raising her. She will learn all she needs to from this 'human' side of things from her mother. Her specific, 'strange' needs will be met by me. This is the agreement that was made, even if she does not remember so upon a conscious level. What you refer to as a 'soul' remembers this, and that's all that matters.

It 'pains' me (as much as it can; I do not 'feel' emotion as you do) to see this tumult and turmoil. It could be such a beautiful world, but I fear so much blindness, deafness, and loss of sense will lead to further destruction and misery. We can only do what we're doing. The rest is up to you.

... Okay. There we go. An 'inside insight' of sorts, even as it disturbs me - or, well, used to. If anyone's seen the new Battlestar Galactica (wonderful reboot of a series), it's kinda like being a Cylon sleeper. You just have this sense that ... something's coming, there's a greater purpose, you may or may not be a part of it, and this 'other' side of yourself -- which is not a multiple-aspected personality, but just a facet within your control, which you can choose to express or repress -- knows what's up -- and you don't.

Crazy? Ohhh, just a bit. As Radiohead's 'Creep' plays in the background. Ohhh, that's just too fitting, isn't it? 'I don't belong here .... '

This part of me -does- get rather cheesed off when it comes to the 'Indigos are psychopaths!' notion. But unless part of you -is-, you may not fully understand how ludicrous that is. Now, when I examine it from a purely 'human' perspective - especially being a criminal psychologist - I can see with perfect clarity how it's looking that way. You can imagine why I remain a bit 'divided' on the subject. Heh.

That's enough from the peanut gallery. Just my $0.10.

-A.

posted July 15, 2011 08:34 PM            

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It is disempowering but we can take that power back any time we choose by simply refusing to carry the psychic burden of whatever tag they try to stick on us.

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Originally posted by dysfunctionalmystic:
Much of what society allows is actually quite evil whilst the stuff that gets frowned upon is simply humanness. The sad thing is that many of these unspoken {and sometimes spoken} rules are damaging to humanity and instead of healing they are destroying.

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Originally posted by dysfunctionalmystic:
I don't like the indigo term or any of the others...it's nothing more than elitism and adhd is something that is frequently misdiagnosed. Some children are cold and unresponsive but they can be helped with time and patience. Young children that are cold are usually suffering from an attachment disorder because something went wrong in the early stages of life. Small children are at the mercy of the parent/s and I don't feel that they are given the right kind of information to understand what is going on or what they can do to help.

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There's far too much denial because society wants to be seen as functional.

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Originally posted by dysfunctionalmystic: IF psychopathy is on the increase. it's because of an increase in early attachment issues. This may not {and frequently isn't} a deliberate act by the parent but a misunderstanding of the childs needs.

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posted July 15, 2011 11:56 PM            

I had a great conversation with a practising criminologist earlier today; while we didn't discuss the Indigo connection (pretty sure he isn't metaphysically-oriented, but who knows?) we did float the mutual understanding that we've reached nigh epidemic levels here - especially in the US - regarding violence, be it in our schools or our homes. The dysfunction and lack of proper parenting is sadly obvious.

What do you guys think of instituting an evaluative programme geared toward elementary-age kids? I figure if we can determine who's most 'at risk' for developing sociopathy (or who's already showing signs of psychopathy - think: Macdonald Triad) then we may save everyone the future headache when they get into their thirties and start keeping heads in the freezer.

Thoughts? To me, it seems almost too apparent that I can't believe it hasn't been done. Then again, we're more broke now than we've been in a very, very long time. (And it's only going to get worse.)

posted July 16, 2011 01:02 AM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
What do you guys think of instituting an evaluative programme geared toward elementary-age kids? I figure if we can determine who's most 'at risk' for developing sociopathy (or who's already showing signs of psychopathy - think: Macdonald Triad) then we may save everyone the future headache when they get into their thirties and start keeping heads in the freezer.

Thoughts? To me, it seems almost too apparent that I can't believe it hasn't been done. Then again, we're more broke now than we've been in a very, very long time. (And it's only going to get worse.)

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posted July 16, 2011 07:24 PM            

And I see a lot of problems with trying to involve parents, too, some who would deny their child is at all wrong despite all evidence while others declaring their children are possessed by the devil without any reason whatsoever.

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
[b]What do you guys think of instituting an evaluative programme geared toward elementary-age kids? I figure if we can determine who's most 'at risk' for developing sociopathy (or who's already showing signs of psychopathy - think: Macdonald Triad) then we may save everyone the future headache when they get into their thirties and start keeping heads in the freezer.

Thoughts? To me, it seems almost too apparent that I can't believe it hasn't been done. Then again, we're more broke now than we've been in a very, very long time. (And it's only going to get worse.)

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That's deeply disconcerting; I'd hope ANY parent being told, after having been evaluated by a professional trained in understanding psychopathy, would throw their ego aside and consider how they could 'save' their child. But I suppose that's just me, and I hope - and expect - too much of humanity.

posted July 17, 2011 03:43 PM            

The problem with "achievement" is that creates a huge amount of stress.

Why can't they just be rewarded for being good at being themselves? Who decides what counts as an achievement?

Not all kids are gifted academically/athletic or whatever and this is the problem. They're all told they can be anything/do anything - and that's a lie. Too much focus on external achievement and no where near enough on the personal inner worth. Things like honour, integrity, honesty.... and don't go telling me that honesty is highly prized because it just isn't.

Or you're allowed to be honest as long as no ones feelings get hurt....

You can be honourable as long as it doesn't interfere with an external authority.

You can have a strong mind as long as you agree with the status quo.

You can have a powerful voice as long as you're telling us what we want to hear.

Psychopaths - they are missing something. They have feelings of impotence. Who makes them feel impotent? What are we gonna do if we find out that the psychopaths only turned bad and started cutting the heads off people because they felt that their honesty wasn't valued? What if it comes down to something stupid like not being breast fed or sent to school too early? What if it's bad boundary management first by parents and then by schools and then their employers?

I've got no doubts that there are many answers, they are after all individuals. But what if each and every one of us is responsible? Then what?

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Psychoanalysis would say that the psychopaths are a product not only of genetics and upbringing but a mouthpiece for the collective. A collective that we are all a part of.

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posted July 17, 2011 05:52 PM            

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The problem with "achievement" is that creates a huge amount of stress.

Why can't they just be rewarded for being good at being themselves? Who decides what counts as an achievement?

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And you prob saw this already, but your points make me think of this recent news item,

Teachers Implicated In Atlanta Cheating Scandal Told To Resign Or Get Fired

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The announcement comes after Davis replaced four area superintendents and two principals as a result of the investigation into alleged cheating by teachers, revealed early this month. APS Human Resources Chief Millicent Few resigned Monday. Investigators accused Few of illegally ordering the destruction or altering of important documents that evidenced the cheating.

The report determined that teachers in at least 44 of the 56 schools had participated in various forms of cheating, including erasing and correcting wrong answers on students' answer sheets for mandated standardized tests.

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This all sounded really lazy to me, instead of putting in effort you'd rather fake test scores.

When Teachers Cheat—And Then Blame the Tests - It's the students who suffer most, Wall Street Journal

Maybe this scandal will change some minds.

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They're all told they can be anything/do anything - and that's a lie. Too much focus on external achievement and no where near enough on the personal inner worth. Things like honour, integrity, honesty.... and don't go telling me that honesty is highly prized because it just isn't.

Or you're allowed to be honest as long as no ones feelings get hurt....

You can be honourable as long as it doesn't interfere with an external authority.

You can have a strong mind as long as you agree with the status quo.

You can have a powerful voice as long as you're telling us what we want to hear.

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Psychopaths - they are missing something. They have feelings of impotence. Who makes them feel impotent? What are we gonna do if we find out that the psychopaths only turned bad and started cutting the heads off people because they felt that their honesty wasn't valued? What if it comes down to something stupid like not being breast fed or sent to school too early? What if it's bad boundary management first by parents and then by schools and then their employers?

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I don't really want to post it, but this is a recent story too. Psychopath? I don't diagnose, but it is disgusting and just sad.
Child's grisly murder shocks Jewish Brooklyn neighborhood

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An 8-year-old's grisly murder would shock any community, but there's an added layer of astonishment in this neighborhood because the alleged killer appears to hail from the same close-knit religious community as the victim.

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