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Topic: To wed or not to wed?
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charmainec Moderator Posts: 5836 From: Venus next to Randall Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 07, 2008 04:04 AM
This is something I often wonder about. We have much more freedoms than we did in the past and couples do not find it necessary to legally wed. There are still cultures and religions that forbid unwed couples to live together but it's become quite popular to do so.
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charmainec Moderator Posts: 5836 From: Venus next to Randall Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 07, 2008 04:13 AM
I also wonder if coming from a brOken home also influences ones perceptions of marriage. Personally I think it's a matter of choice and interesting to see what other peoples opinions are on this matter.------------------ What lies behind us, and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us ~Ralph Waldo Emerson IP: Logged |
Unmoved Knowflake Posts: 2196 From: Registered: May 2009
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posted August 07, 2008 09:27 AM
Hi Char.I come from a background where I have never seen a good model of marriage. Therefore my reservations about being married are based on a lack of knowledge because I don't understand it. I don't understand why there should be contracts and worldly elements to something spiritual like the love between two people. I think that getting married is fear based. It think people get married because they are afraid of being alone or afraid of being materially insecure because two heads are better than one when it comes to making money etc. Also, I feel that marriage perpetuates obligations and guilt. When married a person will endure pain, lack of freedom and sometimes even abuse to avoid divorce whereas if there was no contract I feel that a person would be in a union because they want to, not because of a promise they made years ago which is no longer true. I can't say that I will never marry but I don't think it is something I would encourage. I would likely get married for the comfort of my partner than for my own desires to be married. But, as I said, I have never seen a good marriage in my life so maybe I need to see a good model of it first before I understand the institution of marriage. IP: Logged |
charmainec Moderator Posts: 5836 From: Venus next to Randall Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 07, 2008 10:18 AM
Hi Unmoved  I understand your views.There are some people that marry or are forced to marry for the wrong reasons. I was reading that in our country there is no such thing as common law marriage. So in the event a couple has been living together for 7 years and something happens to one of the partners that partner will not have any legal claims to any posessions of the deceased spouse unless a will was drawn up. ------------------ What lies behind us, and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us ~Ralph Waldo Emerson IP: Logged |
charmainec Moderator Posts: 5836 From: Venus next to Randall Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 07, 2008 10:20 AM
It's their way of 'protecting' married couples and them having certain 'previlages'.------------------ What lies behind us, and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us ~Ralph Waldo Emerson IP: Logged |
blue moon Knowflake Posts: 1344 From: U.K Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 07, 2008 11:35 AM
What I don't get is when people say they don't want the commitment of marriage, but they live with someone in a situation of mutual financial dependence, and they have children together. Surely in that situation if the relationship ended tomorrow, the biggest headache wouldn't be getting a legal divorce? That bit is easy enough, at least where I live. Selling your house is likely to be your biggest problem, at least right now.
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writesomething Newflake Posts: 0 From: Registered: Mar 2011
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posted August 07, 2008 11:41 AM
weddings are great for the economy, and stuff.IP: Logged |
Unmoved Knowflake Posts: 2196 From: Registered: May 2009
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posted August 07, 2008 11:45 AM
We do have common law marriages in our country or at least I was under the impression that we did. Apparently it takes effect after a few months, less than a year of living together. blue moon. I hear you. At least I personally have no issues with committing to a partner. What I don't understand is how people romanticize marriage when It's a sure business and security move. IP: Logged |
blue moon Knowflake Posts: 1344 From: U.K Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 07, 2008 11:50 AM
I lived with my husband for 5 years before we got married. An afternoon in a registry office didn't change much, it just made legally official what was already the case. Though I know people who have said their partner changed as soon as the ring was on their finger, or as one friend put it, "it was a catalyst for everything that was wrong with the relationship." Marriage is handy for pensions, property, inheritance. 8th house matters. Romance lives someplace else.
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deuxantares Newflake Posts: 0 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 07, 2008 03:47 PM
ideally, the "contract" part in marriage contract should have the elements of a real contract just like in business (duties and resposibilities of both parties, benefits/compensation, exit clause, etc), should state length of contract, whether it's renewable or not, etc. and evaluation/assessment should be done regularly to guard against complacency... this explains why i have never been married. IP: Logged |
charmainec Moderator Posts: 5836 From: Venus next to Randall Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 08, 2008 01:54 AM
Unmoved - common law marriages are not legally recognized here. Should a child be produced from such a union the man will have an obligation to support the child but has no obligation to the mother unless there was a contract which the two agreed to and a judge aproved it.It's such a contradiction don't you think.------------------ What lies behind us, and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us ~Ralph Waldo Emerson IP: Logged |
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posted August 10, 2008 03:26 AM
I think marriage is overrates but I'm a Libra uranus gal. I think marriage would be good for a couple if they were well matched and had a long time established relationship. I was engaged 3 times and never walked down the aisle. I've been common law around 3 times and have a ******* child (I wouldn't tell her and I love her to bits).I find now a days relationships are rushed and people move in together way too quickly. The time to develop a stable relationship is not taken and I think it is what is missing. Maybe the institution of marriage should be buried cause the divorce rate is up there. I wish there was a way to figure out if a couple will be together for the long haul - but as somebody here said we have so many freedoms today than they were many decades ago. Times have changed too and there is more information and understanding about people and life. Life in the 1950s was majorly different than it is now - but back then I figure there was more abuse and lack of knowledge in social areas of society. Behaviors were wrong yet it existed and prevailed over other things.....There was a strong "You made your bed - now go lie in it mentality" and nobody dared to leave the marriage. (I have had many elderly client while working in home care telling me what life was like back then...." I'm not sure what got a couple down the aisle is different than today. You look at today and I think marriage is mocked and not really sacred ground any more - like if a person can get married in Vegas easily, then so be it. The values that we hold are different from a while back - and so are our traditions. I don't know if the sanctity in marriage will ever return. Some folks think they will love and cherish their mate forever but many things are overlooked and love sometimes fails and doesn't conquer all. That's my mixed up two but rant for you..... ID
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RedScorp Knowflake Posts: 4570 From: The Sun Registered: Jul 2011
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posted December 29, 2012 07:54 AM
I was raised with marriage being taught as some hilly dilly expression of love and commitment, so yah, I wanna be married one day. But if people propose to me, I'm keeping the engagement rings regardless of the answer! That's what my mom did,  IP: Logged |
juniperb Moderator Posts: 5723 From: Blue Star Kachina Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 29, 2012 09:35 AM
A nice old thread and much water has flowed by  I believe in the "hilly dilly" of love too . It is an expression of selfless love. To step aside of self and commit to somene/something other than urges/wants/desires. To express love and commitment binds families and communities together in ways carousing and self addiction can not. Humans are pack animals and the highest expression of that is marriage to one you love. We live in a human throw away society and that is devolving not evolving  ------------------ We need to listen to our own song, and share it with others, but not force it on them. Our songs are different. They should be in harmony with each other. ~ Mattie Stepanek IP: Logged |
RedScorp Knowflake Posts: 4570 From: The Sun Registered: Jul 2011
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posted December 29, 2012 09:49 AM
quote: I believe in the "hilly dilly" of love too .
That expression just tickles me lmfao! I had to find an excuse to use it! IP: Logged |
ail221 Knowflake Posts: 2527 From: Mary Margaret Blanchard's home Registered: Feb 2012
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posted December 29, 2012 09:55 AM
I have seen both happy married couples and unhappy married couples. Not to say I expect marriages to be peachy-keen but if the marriage is extremely physically, emotionally and financially draining on the couple in question then it isn't worth it. I have a friend from college whose parents constantly bickered and fought yet her mother couldn't get a divorce from her father because everything was in her father's name and the mother wasn't academically educated. So even if she wanted divorced her husband she'd have no work experience, no education, no money or property to her name to support herself if they did divorce and they have been married for more than 20 years. Sad to say it wasn't until her father passed away earlier on this year did her mother have any freedom. On another note there are some people who fought to have the right to marry both inter-racially and people of different sexual orientations. So I don't think there is anything wrong with wanting to express the feeling of love for one another. Yet marriage has become very commercialized there are entire networks devoted to weddings. IP: Logged |
Aquacheeka Knowflake Posts: 2120 From: Toronto Registered: Mar 2012
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posted December 31, 2012 01:04 PM
I have very mixed feelings about marriage, to tell the truth. I'm not opposed to it but I definitely don't think it's ideal, either.My feelings about marriage are likely influenced by the fact that I don't believe in divorce in 99% of cases that don't involve physical abuse, the fact that live-in boyfriends do more housework and married women gain more weight than live-in girlfriends, the fact that the average wedding today costs upwards of 25 grand and has become a showboat moreso than an expression of eternal devotion, and that there's no stigma to not getting married anymore. In spite of this, I do still think that wedlock (the permanent kind, not the "starter marriage" kind) is the best possible situation for kids. So I dunno. I may or may not do it. Statistics seem to indicate that I probably will eventually, though. IP: Logged |